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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:52 pm

Nicky15 wrote:I am not sure what fun is being ruined, unless you get your fun from sharing accounts with your friends :? If you want to discuss your turn with your teammates, what is stopping you..... :? You cannot and could never have had under the old existing rules, someone come into your account and leave chat in your games. take your own turns, play your own games, that is all we are saying. If you can't take your turns that is what the rules are for.


Yes!!!
The reason these new rules were enacted was due to people abusing the privilege of being able to take turns for someone else in their unexpected absence. Some people were treating this privilege like an open-to-interpretation right to take turns for someone else whenever it was convenient. Again, I say don't blame admin, blame the people abusing the system.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:59 pm

uckuki wrote:wouldn't sharing accounts be 2 people using 1 account. if a player already has an
account and logs into friend's acct to take a look at the game, leave a note, take the
turn or whatever, that's cooperation not account sharing. :?:
first time I hear about it being against the rules and I don't see a good reason why it
shouldn't be allowed. Account sharing should be forbidden and I have no problem with that.

what kills fun is having more and more rules and regulations instead of
it being just a game of chance & rolling dice. :(


The reason it's forbidden is that in the clan setting you could end up getting one player making decisions for everyone else and thus not reflecting the clan's skill as a whole but merely the skill of a few choice players. This defeats the whole purpose of clanwars and even clans in general.
There is a reason there is a limit to how many games each player can partake in during a war: to prevent puppet mastering of clans.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby stahrgazer on Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:33 pm

Nicky15 wrote: Can we please stop the drama, and give these rules a chance to settle. In the future you can judge us on how we deal with reports and you will see we are fair. If we aren't then you can be as dramatic as you wish.
But please lets stop creating a fuss about all the what ifs and maybes and see how this goes 1st.


CDs are creating the "drama" by posting hour restrictions on turn-sitting rather than looking for abuses by folks, as you say:
Nicky15 wrote: If we look and player A did in fact take some of his own turns in that 12 hours, played a few speed games, had a nice long chat in LC, posted in the forums. etc etc Then quite obviously that will be an infraction as player a was clearly able to take his own turns.


And as you indicate, the other restrictions already existed, so why the need to repost them?

And when you have folks with the "sense of humor" as you refer to chemefreak, who continually thinks it's just fine to post in the same threads first as a mod/director then when called on things, claim he's now posting as "just a member/leader of his own clan" you've got to be kidding if you think folks like that give evidence that we can trust them to be 'fair.'

Still looks like power play but omg, ppl who call what they see are "creating drama" for you. :roll:
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:01 pm

It's not a power play. All we have done is clear up the grey areas so everyone knows what is and is not allowed. And created a framework so that we can actually punish people who abuse the system.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:03 pm

Squirly wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:
These rules will come into force Monday after we have had the chance to pm all clan leaders and make sure everyone is aware.

Thanks

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so when do these rules come into effect?
I haven't received any pm's from any of you. My co leaders haven't either.
Maybe you've only sent pms to the clans that have caused the need for all these additional rules?
that would actually make sense.


I have looked it up. Ishihara received one on behalf of ID
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby stahrgazer on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:03 am

Nicky15 wrote:It's not a power play. All we have done is clear up the grey areas so everyone knows what is and is not allowed. And created a framework so that we can actually punish people who abuse the system.


Overly restricting when someone can, and cannot, sit in for an away player is not "clearing up a grey area."

Not sitting in on a game while the original owner is in chat, etc. was already part of the rules, so again, not "clearing up a grey area."

Site already supposedly had a framework to punish people who abuse the rules, so again, not "clearing up a grey area."
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:13 am

stahrgazer wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:It's not a power play. All we have done is clear up the grey areas so everyone knows what is and is not allowed. And created a framework so that we can actually punish people who abuse the system.


Overly restricting when someone can, and cannot, sit in for an away player is not "clearing up a grey area."

Not sitting in on a game while the original owner is in chat, etc. was already part of the rules, so again, not "clearing up a grey area."

Site already supposedly had a framework to punish people who abuse the rules, so again, not "clearing up a grey area."


We are not restricting sitting when it is prearranged "with permission." We are only restricting emergency cover when you have had no contact.

Many people are/were unaware of even the existing site rules, as proven by the posts in this threads. So yes we have cleared up grey areas for many.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby macbone on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:44 am

Nicky15 wrote: The hour rule is being discussed with Clan reps and whatever the majority decide in regards to that will determine if that is changed or not.


Nicky, I like this a lot. I hope in the future other clarifications of what's acceptable behavior will also be dealt with by surveying the people involved and getting their feedback.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:46 am

macbone wrote:
Nicky15 wrote: The hour rule is being discussed with Clan reps and whatever the majority decide in regards to that will determine if that is changed or not.


Nicky, I like this a lot. I hope in the future other clarifications of what's acceptable behavior will also be dealt with by surveying the people involved and getting their feedback.


Indeed. This will be one of the primary uses for our new group CD and Friends, every clan has been invited to put forward a rep, and all clan issues will be discussed in there.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby chapcrap on Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:37 pm

Nicky15 wrote:It has always been against site rules to be in someones account for any other reason than to sit a turn.

Does this include not logging in for people who are inactive so that you can edit their forum posts with the private clan forum?
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:42 pm

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Nicky15 wrote:It has always been against site rules to be in someones account for any other reason than to sit a turn.

Does this include not logging in for people who are inactive so that you can edit their forum posts with the private clan forum?


Editing war threads is fine, as long as you are not involved in games
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby crispybits on Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:53 pm

Nicky15 wrote: The hour rule is being discussed with Clan reps and whatever the majority decide in regards to that will determine if that is changed or not.


Can I just ask why our nominated clan rep for clan FISO hasn't been invited to any new usergroup or discussions yet please?

(not having a go, I'm sure it's just an admin oversight)
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby stahrgazer on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:43 pm

Nicky15 wrote:Many people are/were unaware of even the existing site rules, as proven by the posts in this threads. So yes we have cleared up grey areas for many.


Making a new set of rules to restate existing rules isn't clearing up a "grey area" and especially when some of the directors are claiming you guys "put alot of thought into these." You put alot of thought into how to repeat what the site already says?

I appreciate you reviewing the 1-hour thing. If someone's abusing existing site rules by taking turns excessively when they were not specifically asked to do so, they can do that excessive taking at 1 hour till as easy as 3 hours till; but if someone says, "I'm not sure if I'll be on tonight, will you watch my games for me?" it can be mighty inconvenient to have to wait (to avoid any questions).

When I read through the comments in this thread, it looks like no one's objecting to cracking down on excessive use of "sitting." I'm not the only one, however, who objects to the idea that it's not excessive at 1 hour but it's excessive at 3 hours, which is what these rules currently imply.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:33 am

stahrgazer wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:Many people are/were unaware of even the existing site rules, as proven by the posts in this threads. So yes we have cleared up grey areas for many.


Making a new set of rules to restate existing rules isn't clearing up a "grey area" and especially when some of the directors are claiming you guys "put alot of thought into these." You put alot of thought into how to repeat what the site already says?

I appreciate you reviewing the 1-hour thing. If someone's abusing existing site rules by taking turns excessively when they were not specifically asked to do so, they can do that excessive taking at 1 hour till as easy as 3 hours till; but if someone says, "I'm not sure if I'll be on tonight, will you watch my games for me?" it can be mighty inconvenient to have to wait (to avoid any questions).

When I read through the comments in this thread, it looks like no one's objecting to cracking down on excessive use of "sitting." I'm not the only one, however, who objects to the idea that it's not excessive at 1 hour but it's excessive at 3 hours, which is what these rules currently imply.


Last response as i don't think it really matters what I say this may carry on forever. The rules are there so everyone is aware of what they are old, and new. Anyone can see by reading this thread that many people were not even aware of existing rules, so we are quite justified in putting them in black and white. These rules are not hard to follow. They are not here to punish honest players. Have a Merry Christmas.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby eddie2 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:48 am

Nicky15 wrote:
Squirly wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:
These rules will come into force Monday after we have had the chance to pm all clan leaders and make sure everyone is aware.

Thanks

The CD team.


so when do these rules come into effect?
I haven't received any pm's from any of you. My co leaders haven't either.
Maybe you've only sent pms to the clans that have caused the need for all these additional rules?
that would actually make sense.


I have looked it up. Ishihara received one on behalf of ID


who recieved it for aka
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