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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Qwert on Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:31 pm

chemefreak wrote:
pearljamrox2 wrote:How did you come up with the numbers? Just curious, it seems the MVP was 15th ranked, and 3rd ranked from his clan. Also, my number is really high. Am I awesome or something?


You are awesome! Qwert's formula rewards you for playing in 48 games, which was 5th most in the league. You also eliminated 48 players, which is heavily weighted in Qwert's formula. Very impressive.

Good example:

Here are the stat lines for two players from AQOH. thelord played in 4 more games than kgb, but won 8 more. However, since he had 4 less KILLS he is several places behind. The formula puts WAY TOO much emphasis on kills. Honestly, had Qwert not quit, we would not have used this formula to award an MVP anyways.

Kgbpizza 30 18 12 0 0 25 60%
Thelord 34 26 8 0 0 21 76%

cheme,can i ask you what are you doing? Are you intentional provoke?
I dont will go low on your lvl,and comment your work in CL5,, and also dont comment how you decide mvp,, and i will not comment anything here, i will just update first post,, and you can continue to be hostile and unpleasant person.
Everything what i do, you attacking, like im you kill all your families, and you want some revenge or what.

Just when i though that you become normal,you start again to provoke. I dont know what are you want to achive.

On any questions i will not comment, just will update first post,and finished with clans.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby greenoaks on Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:23 pm

Qwert wrote:
chemefreak wrote:
pearljamrox2 wrote:How did you come up with the numbers? Just curious, it seems the MVP was 15th ranked, and 3rd ranked from his clan. Also, my number is really high. Am I awesome or something?


You are awesome! Qwert's formula rewards you for playing in 48 games, which was 5th most in the league. You also eliminated 48 players, which is heavily weighted in Qwert's formula. Very impressive.

Good example:

Here are the stat lines for two players from AQOH. thelord played in 4 more games than kgb, but won 8 more. However, since he had 4 less KILLS he is several places behind. The formula puts WAY TOO much emphasis on kills. Honestly, had Qwert not quit, we would not have used this formula to award an MVP anyways.

Kgbpizza 30 18 12 0 0 25 60%
Thelord 34 26 8 0 0 21 76%

cheme,can i ask you what are you doing? Are you intentional provoke?
I dont will go low on your lvl,and comment your work in CL5,, and also dont comment how you decide mvp,, and i will not comment anything here, i will just update first post,, and you can continue to be hostile and unpleasant person.
Everything what i do, you attacking, like im you kill all your families, and you want some revenge or what.

Just when i though that you become normal,you start again to provoke. I dont know what are you want to achive.

On any questions i will not comment, just will update first post,and finished with clans.

what is the purpose of an unofficial mvp when there is an official mvp?
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Shannon Apple on Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:26 pm

Armandolas wrote:Rewarding kills in teamgames make no sense what so ever

This!
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby chapcrap on Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:04 pm

Qwert wrote:
chemefreak wrote:
pearljamrox2 wrote:How did you come up with the numbers? Just curious, it seems the MVP was 15th ranked, and 3rd ranked from his clan. Also, my number is really high. Am I awesome or something?


You are awesome! Qwert's formula rewards you for playing in 48 games, which was 5th most in the league. You also eliminated 48 players, which is heavily weighted in Qwert's formula. Very impressive.

Good example:

Here are the stat lines for two players from AQOH. thelord played in 4 more games than kgb, but won 8 more. However, since he had 4 less KILLS he is several places behind. The formula puts WAY TOO much emphasis on kills. Honestly, had Qwert not quit, we would not have used this formula to award an MVP anyways.

Kgbpizza 30 18 12 0 0 25 60%
Thelord 34 26 8 0 0 21 76%

cheme,can i ask you what are you doing? Are you intentional provoke?
I dont will go low on your lvl,and comment your work in CL5,, and also dont comment how you decide mvp,, and i will not comment anything here, i will just update first post,, and you can continue to be hostile and unpleasant person.
Everything what i do, you attacking, like im you kill all your families, and you want some revenge or what.

Just when i though that you become normal,you start again to provoke. I dont know what are you want to achive.

On any questions i will not comment, just will update first post,and finished with clans.

How on earth was that hostile? You can find plenty of examples of cheme being hostile, this is definitely not one of them. For someone provoking, maybe you should read the first sentence of the thread where you seemingly attempt to call out the CD's after you quit:
Qwert wrote:This its something what i was working ,when i was Organiser of CL5, even in few newsletter its was post MVP standing, and when i was withdraw this stop to be posted, and even when i try to talk abouth this with CD,, unfortunatly never get reply,,and because this never become official approve, then its will be unofficial TOp 20 for each League.

Shannon Apple wrote:
Armandolas wrote:Rewarding kills in teamgames make no sense what so ever

This!

Exactly. It makes even less sense when you think about maps where teams achieved objectives instead of killing to win.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby grifftron on Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:12 am

I think qwert is onto something here.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby pearljamrox2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:11 pm

chemefreak wrote:
pearljamrox2 wrote:How did you come up with the numbers? Just curious, it seems the MVP was 15th ranked, and 3rd ranked from his clan. Also, my number is really high. Am I awesome or something?


You are awesome! Qwert's formula rewards you for playing in 48 games, which was 5th most in the league. You also eliminated 48 players, which is heavily weighted in Qwert's formula. Very impressive.

Good example:

Here are the stat lines for two players from AQOH. thelord played in 4 more games than kgb, but won 8 more. However, since he had 4 less KILLS he is several places behind. The formula puts WAY TOO much emphasis on kills. Honestly, had Qwert not quit, we would not have used this formula to award an MVP anyways.

Kgbpizza 30 18 12 0 0 25 60%
Thelord 34 26 8 0 0 21 76%



Gee, thanks cheme. I wasn't really unsure of my awesomeness, but since you dont usually hand out compliments, I'll take it. I hadn't really looked at any stats, but apparently I won 34 and lost 14. So my win percentage was 70%.
I remember a similar situation in the first Random league. Foed won the tournament and Dynasty came in second. danryan and I were neck and neck for the MVP, we both were at the top of the list in games played, with me having a slight few more wins, and way more kills. I remember at the time, you wanted us to be Co-MVP's, but I ended up getting it, though danryan was certainly deserving of it. Choosing an MVP isn't always easy, it can be kinda subjective, with differing opinions. With that said, congrats thelord, a deserving MVP who went a long way in helping AQOH win the league.
I wouldn't totally knock kills. Sure, there is luck, and circumstance in play. I will happily set up a team mate for a kill if it's the best plan. I don't purposely try to rack up kills but it's not really a coincidence either. I kill a lot of people I play against. I lot of times I wind up being the tip of the spear. I have some good teammates, some with notoriously unreliable dice, or that just have a knack for setting someone else up. I have other good teammates like myself, who are aggressive, but will always look it over to see if there is something better for someone else. I typically tend to be more the aggressive type. I am also very deliberate, so on the big complicated moves...I dont make mistakes. I finish. It's just a fact. I kill! Obviously, getting the win is most important. You need all members to play well to get the win. If you are gonna look at MVP, an individual award, you might look away from a team achievement like a win, and look more at kills. Sure, if someone has 2 or 3 more kills, not much different, little luck here or there it could be different. Now if you have someone who scores TWICE the kills as the other guy...then you are looking at someone who had their way a lot more often. And just to throw it out there, I'm not one that needs to follow a script to clear the board..I usually write the script.
So cheme...? Can you tell If I think I'm awesome or not?
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby danryan on Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:10 pm

^ ^ ^ I think this guy is awesome.

Signed, not an mvp.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Foxglove on Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:22 pm

pearljamrox2 wrote:I wouldn't totally knock kills.


I would. "Kills" is a 100% totally useless, meaningless, misleading statistic in team games.

pearljamrox2 wrote:Sure, there is luck, and circumstance in play. I will happily set up a team mate for a kill if it's the best plan. I don't purposely try to rack up kills but it's not really a coincidence either. I kill a lot of people I play against. I lot of times I wind up being the tip of the spear. I have some good teammates, some with notoriously unreliable dice,


haha, whatthe? No one has "notoriously unreliable" dice. The dice are random. Some people tend to be whiny complainypants about their dice a lot more than others, but unless you can show me someone with non-standard dice stats I will never believe that statement.

pearljamrox2 wrote: or that just have a knack for setting someone else up. I have other good teammates like myself, who are aggressive, but will always look it over to see if there is something better for someone else. I typically tend to be more the aggressive type. I am also very deliberate, so on the big complicated moves...I dont make mistakes. I finish. It's just a fact. I kill! Obviously, getting the win is most important. You need all members to play well to get the win. If you are gonna look at MVP, an individual award, you might look away from a team achievement like a win, and look more at kills. Sure, if someone has 2 or 3 more kills, not much different, little luck here or there it could be different. Now if you have someone who scores TWICE the kills as the other guy...then you are looking at someone who had their way a lot more often.


Firstly, congratulations on your record in the CL5. Well done!

Secondly, your previous paragraph is insanely ridiculous. And every sentence you wrote made it clearer and clearer that you are accustomed to playing on on teams of individuals who occasionally consult each other, but don't really have any sort of meaningful TEAM strategy. When the TEAM decides on the strategy for the TEAM in a particular game, kills are a result of board position, cards, and turn order. Kills are most definitively NOT a reflection of the characteristics of the individual player (agressive, leader, etc.).

(If you wrote your entire post as a joke, I apologize for not understanding it properly.)
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby khazalid on Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:26 pm

also, he seems to like pearl jam. so like. y'know...
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Shannon Apple on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:03 pm

khazalid wrote:also, he seems to like pearl jam. so like. y'know...

Okay, I laughed. :lol:

But yes, congratulations pearl on your kills record. you must be extremely proud.
Oh wait... yes you are.

Any clan with that attitude is pretty much doomed against any clan who basically works as one unit. There is no kills score in proper team games, there is only the team win. Dunno why qwert would put any value on kills for that reason.

But again, congrats! =D>
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby pearljamrox2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:41 pm

I just saw my name and was having fun with it.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby iAmCaffeine on Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:48 am

Foxy has a point. Khaz is a funny chap. Shannon is a whiny trollypants.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Shannon Apple on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:31 pm

I was kidding cuz I knew pearl was trolling in a jokey capacity, jeez. Get over yourself caffeine.
I was serious in the middle there about qwert's use of "kills" as a legitimate ranking system in team games.

I don't like you, you don't like me, so I think it's time you moved on and stop attempting to troll me. Eh? I know it's too much to ask, but you could at least... try. :P (You asked me to take you off my foe list and I assumed it meant you were going to be a good little boy. Back to the naughty step!)
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Agent 86 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:01 pm

Well aside from all the comedy, thanks qwert for making the CL5 a most enjoyable scene for everybody, I know things went south late in the game but I'm sure everyone acknowledges your contribution even the mods. So hang in there my friend, you are the best that CC has shown to me. Again thanks for your time and contribution, I'm sure that everyone would agree with me =D>
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby Foxglove on Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:13 pm

Agent 86 wrote:Well aside from all the comedy, thanks qwert for making the CL5 a most enjoyable scene for everybody, I know things went south late in the game but I'm sure everyone acknowledges your contribution even the mods. So hang in there my friend, you are the best that CC has shown to me. Again thanks for your time and contribution, I'm sure that everyone would agree with me =D>


I agree! CL5 has been the best league yet. None of them seem to go without any troubles, but in spite of the hiccups every one kept moving on. Great job qwert and mods and clans! :)
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby iAmCaffeine on Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:46 pm

Shannon Apple wrote:I was kidding cuz I knew pearl was trolling in a jokey capacity, jeez. Get over yourself caffeine.
I was serious in the middle there about qwert's use of "kills" as a legitimate ranking system in team games.

I don't like you, you don't like me, so I think it's time you moved on and stop attempting to troll me. Eh? I know it's too much to ask, but you could at least... try. :P (You asked me to take you off my foe list and I assumed it meant you were going to be a good little boy. Back to the naughty step!)


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Hahahaha! I was making a light joke in reference to something Foxglove said which I found amusing. Lighten up.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official)

Postby chemefreak on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:48 pm

Screw all of you. I'm giving myself the MVP for all three leagues :D After all, I was undefeated in the Premier and Third Leagues ;)
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby chapcrap on Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:03 pm

chemefreak wrote:Screw all of you. I'm giving myself the MVP for all three leagues :D After all, I was undefeated in the Premier and Third Leagues ;)

Yeah, but zero kills.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby cooldeals on Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:45 pm

So obviously this will be decided by the Clan and TO Mods who organize this but a little friendly discussion seems fine.

It seems the two most obvious candidates to me for the PL MVP are josko.ri (28/34 82%) and Swifte (42/59 71%)

josko.ri
Total Games played 34
Total Games won 28 - 82%
Home 15/17 (88%)
Away 13/17 (76%)
Total Maps Played 27
Escalating: 6/7 86%
Flat Rate: 0/1 0%
Nuclear: 12/13 92%
No Spoils 10/13 77%
Chained: 12/16 75%
Adjacent 1/2 50%
Unlimited: 15/16 94%

Dubs 4/5 80%

City Mogul W
Dawn of Ages W
Imperium Romanum W
Knights L
Treasures of Galapagos W

Trips 10/12 (83%)

Antartica L
Baltic Crusades L
Chinese Checkers W
Classic Cities: London W
Conquer 4 W
Conquer Man W
Das Schloss W
First Nations Americas W
WWII Australia W
WWII Europe W
Waterloo W
Woodboro W

Quads 14/17 82%
All Your Base Are Belong To Us W
Antartica 2W
Atlantis L
Battle of Acitum W
Classic Cities: Pot Motsbi 2W
Conquer Man: W
First Nations Americas: W
Fractured America: W
Hive L
Pearl Harbor W
Stalingrad W
Supermax: Prison Riot 1W 1L
Waterloo W
World 2.1 W

Swifte
Total Games played 59
Total Games won 42 - 71%
Home 20/30 (67%)
Away 22/29 (76%)
Total Maps Played 52
Escalating: 10/14 71%
Flat Rate: 1/1 100%
Nuclear: 7/11 92%
No Spoils 24/33 73%
Chained: 33/46 72%
Adjacent 7/10 70%
Unlimited: 2/3 67%

Dubs 9/13 69%%

AOR1 L
Austerlitz W
BeNeLux W
Clandemonium W
Conquer 4 W
Eastern Hemisphere W
Europe 1914 W
Macedonia W
South America W
Space L
Three Kingdoms of Korea 1W 1L
Unification Italy L

Trips 17/19 (89%)

Battle of Acitum W
Classic Cities: Sydney W
Cuban Missle Crisis W
Egypt Valley of the Kings W
Eurasia W
Halloween Hallows W
Hive W
Island of Doom W
Lunar War W
Middle Ages W
New Zealand W
Philadelphia L
San Fransisco W
Steamworks W
Tribal War - Florida W
WWII Ardennes W
WWII Europe W
Waterloo L

Quads 16/27 59%
Austerlitz W
Baltic Crusades W
Brazil W
Chinese Checkers W
Cricket 1W 1L
D-Day: Omaha Beach L
Forbidden City W
Fractured America W
Germany W
Hive W
Iberia L
Land and Sea L
Macedonia L
Monsters L
Napoleonic Europe W
Rail Africa W
Rail Asia L
Rail Australia L
Rorke's Drift W
Solar System L
Stalingrad W
Supermax: Prison Riot W
WWII Europe L
WWII Gazala W
World 2.1 1W 1L

josko.ri v Swifte 1-1 (Swifte was on the only team to defeat josko with unlimited reinforcements)

After all that I really don't know who to choose.

Yet there is definitively a disparity in the amount and type of games played. Swifte played almost twice as many maps, played on many away games that were highly luck based, played in more games and somehow pulled 42 wins by far the most of anyone in the premier league.

So I guess it all depends on your definition of Most "Valuable" Player. I wish I had both on my team.

jokso won a whopping 82% of his games including 27% of his clans wins and led his clan to a championship.
Swifte played in 42% of IA's wins, organized all their games and led them to #2 in the league.

josko seems to be the easiest case to defend. His clan won clan league and he has the highest win %. Still I don't think it'd be unreasonable for the CD's and TO's to throw Swifte the award if they consider his value to IA v. josko's value to KORT. I think in that regard if you removed Swifte from this event you would see a more drastic difference (value) v removing josko. Also, Swifte played a lot more luck based maps which in itself is a sacrifice for your team.

Let's see who wins. I'm sure there are other great candidates too, but I can't take any more time for my curiosity. I'm crossing my fingers that these two clans never merge!
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby IcePack on Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:52 pm

Wait, josko lost at hive quads? :O
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby benga on Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:16 pm

IcePack wrote:Wait, josko lost at hive quads? :O


damn I will not the first one :!: :!: :!: :!:
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby chemefreak on Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:09 pm

josko.ri is the Premier League MVP.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby Qwert on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:40 am

cooldeals,this its not official mvp,, and your post its in wrong topic, because here CD and TO not decide who are MVP,,,, because they topic are -CL5 Premier League.
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby chemefreak on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:48 pm

Qwert wrote:cooldeals,this its not official mvp,, and your post its in wrong topic, because here CD and TO not decide who are MVP,,,, because they topic are -CL5 Premier League.


he already posted in correct forum...please let us know how we are all wrong for picking josko...
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Re: CL5-MVP (not official) [PL--???] [SL--???] [TL--Ltiyank

Postby Qwert on Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:18 am

chemefreak wrote:
Qwert wrote:cooldeals,this its not official mvp,, and your post its in wrong topic, because here CD and TO not decide who are MVP,,,, because they topic are -CL5 Premier League.


he already posted in correct forum...please let us know how we are all wrong for picking josko...


sorry, but i will not be provoke by you, to comment your decisions for MVP.
In PM with CD,i take gentlemen agreement to not comment official way ,or how you decide MVP.

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