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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Ace Rimmer on Thu May 24, 2012 8:35 am

josko.ri wrote:I was just reading rules of the event and found this:

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WPBRJ wrote:10. League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

Last edited by WPBRJ on Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:59 pm, edited 28 times in total.

Did organizers break their own rules by putting LEG over LHDD without playing best-of-3 Play-Off?


cheme, I'm no fan of josko but I want to point out that

#1 this rule is not listed in blue in the OP so how would he know if it was made later in the competition
#2 his post is civil and non threatening
#3 you are acting like a huge dick in your response to him
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu May 24, 2012 9:34 am

Agree with Ace. I nearly wrote an identical PM, then opted not to. Love Nick to death, but Josko was being pretty civil here - plus he has always been helpful in coming up with ideas and/or pointing out anomalies (in a well-mannered way).
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby chemefreak on Thu May 24, 2012 10:42 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Agree with Ace. I nearly wrote an identical PM, then opted not to. Love Nick to death, but Josko was being pretty civil here - plus he has always been helpful in coming up with ideas and/or pointing out anomalies (in a well-mannered way).


It is plain as day that he was just trying to stir up controversy. All he had to do is read his OWN posts to see that the rule wasn't there. I stick by my Jackass statement.
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Ace Rimmer on Thu May 24, 2012 11:55 am

chemefreak wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Agree with Ace. I nearly wrote an identical PM, then opted not to. Love Nick to death, but Josko was being pretty civil here - plus he has always been helpful in coming up with ideas and/or pointing out anomalies (in a well-mannered way).


It is plain as day that he was just trying to stir up controversy. All he had to do is read his OWN posts to see that the rule wasn't there. I stick by my Jackass statement.


I'm late to the CL4 thread, so I don't know about the discussion from before. However, if his posts show it wasn't there previously, and the text doesn't show up in blue showing that it is a new rule (which it does not) than how was he supposed to know when it was changed? The edit date just shows the last time that one was edited, it doesn't tell us what is changed.
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby ahunda on Thu May 24, 2012 12:51 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:Agree with Ace. I nearly wrote an identical PM, then opted not to. Love Nick to death, but Josko was being pretty civil here - plus he has always been helpful in coming up with ideas and/or pointing out anomalies (in a well-mannered way).

Whilst I agree with josko in most questions, that he has raised here, I disagree with him being civil or well-mannered about it.

A couple of weeks ago he was border-line stalking one of the TOs, posting in several league threads, even of divisions he was not even part of, stirring up hostility towards that particular TO. He called at least one TO unqualified and the League in general poorly run.

And the whole debate about Unlimited forts was simply uncalled for. It was obvious, that josko had been involved in that debate already before the start of the League, and that he was unsatisfied with the final decision & rules. As I said, I even agree with him in this question, but raising that argument again, when the League was running already for several months, was simply uncalled for.

He then started to get involved in the question of the tie between LEG & LHDD and even in the debate surrounding eddie2. So, whilst I agree with him on certain points in those discussions, I can certainly understand the TOs, if they feel harassed by him.

So much work put into this, and then being called "unqualified" and stuff like this. It´s pretty disrespectful and out of place, if you ask me. And for me as an impartial bystander, it certainly appeared, as if josko had an axe to grind on a personal level here, based on some past dispute about the set-up of the whole thing.
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby josko.ri on Mon May 28, 2012 7:39 pm

reply to ahunda is here, because I think in this topic it would be offtopic: viewtopic.php?f=438&t=168624&p=3753009#p3753009:

ok cheme you are right, I am real Jackass (maybe this is the right way to speak with TO of CL4, I have feeling like they wish that everone always say that they are right and make clap clap clap).

But, Leehar is not Jackass, he was always been civil, good guy, and never had any controversy. he kindly asked you this question, but I feel like you ignored him. is there a reason for your ignoring him aswell?

viewtopic.php?f=441&t=161519&start=180#p3744899
Leehar wrote:Since most changes have been highlighted in Blue, it's an easy enough misrepresentation to make?
Otherwise how else are you gonna know if some rules have been added midway through and others have been there since the beginning?

And then whats with this discrepancy that some changes are allowed midway through, but others have to be suggested as implementations for CL5? :-s

If tiebreakers can be a prospective addition for phase 2 onwards, then why can't unlimited or other concerns also be implemented for the future phases?
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Foxglove on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:44 pm

Apologies if this has already been asked.

The Rules wrote:Players
Each round no one player should play more than 35% of the games, 4 game maximum per player per round.
No restriction on who plays in what game.
There needs to be a minimum of 10 different players per set


Does the 35% = 4 games max restriction only apply to phases 1 and 2? As phase 3 has more games per match up (18 vs 12), I assume a player can play in more than 4 games per round (it should be 6 games max)?

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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby WPBRJ on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:19 pm

Foxglove wrote:Apologies if this has already been asked.

The Rules wrote:Players
Each round no one player should play more than 35% of the games, 4 game maximum per player per round.
No restriction on who plays in what game.
There needs to be a minimum of 10 different players per set


Does the 35% = 4 games max restriction only apply to phases 1 and 2? As phase 3 has more games per match up (18 vs 12), I assume a player can play in more than 4 games per round (it should be 6 games max)?

Thanks!


yes phase 3 will be 6 max due to fact it will be 18 game sets
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby The Voice on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:12 pm

WPBRJ wrote:
Foxglove wrote:Apologies if this has already been asked.

The Rules wrote:Players
Each round no one player should play more than 35% of the games, 4 game maximum per player per round.
No restriction on who plays in what game.
There needs to be a minimum of 10 different players per set


Does the 35% = 4 games max restriction only apply to phases 1 and 2? As phase 3 has more games per match up (18 vs 12), I assume a player can play in more than 4 games per round (it should be 6 games max)?

Thanks!


yes phase 3 will be 6 max due to fact it will be 18 game sets


Good to know, thank you!
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Qwert on Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:20 pm

well from what i conclude so far qualify to Semifinal are

Division1
1-KORT
2-PACK
3-(still not 100% sure)
4-(still not 100% sure)

Division 2
1-IA
2-TFFS
3-MYT
4-OSA

Division 3
1-BOFM
2-LEG
3-WAR
4-OTP

Division 4
1-1RFG
2-FOED
3-TNC
4-TLW

Division 5
1-RA
2-MM
3-SOH
4-LOTZ
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Leehar on Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:38 pm

ID for Div 2?
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Teflon Kris on Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:08 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:I'm late to the CL4 thread, so I don't know about the discussion from before. However, if his posts show it wasn't there previously, and the text doesn't show up in blue showing that it is a new rule (which it does not) than how was he supposed to know when it was changed? The edit date just shows the last time that one was edited, it doesn't tell us what is changed.


I'm not sure why anyone would really need to know when there was a change. Apart from CDs exercising their role overseeing the event.

However, it would be interesting to know people's constructive feedback on the added 3-random-games unseperable-tie situation. Potentially, if clans involved play as slowly as some ofthe division one games then the whole league could suffer a major delay waiting for these games to play out :?: Any ideas for a quicker alternative appreciated - preferably in a thread related to season 5? Okay, so escalating random trips shouldn't take too long,but how about 1 v 1s? Much less time consuming for the whole league.
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:22 pm

Add a 4th determining factor, e.g.

1st = points won
2nd = game winning %
3rd = head-to-head
4th = higher selection of random maps

It's one of the few things remaining that can draw some distinction between two clans without the need for playoff games. And if there are playoff games then I don't think making them 1v1s would be a very popular choice (unless you made the playoff 9 x 1v1s and had a rep from each clan play in each one so their destiny was shared collectively and not on the shoulders of one).
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Qwert on Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:38 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Add a 4th determining factor, e.g.

1st = points won
2nd = game winning %
3rd = head-to-head
4th = higher selection of random maps

It's one of the few things remaining that can draw some distinction between two clans without the need for playoff games. And if there are playoff games then I don't think making them 1v1s would be a very popular choice (unless you made the playoff 9 x 1v1s and had a rep from each clan play in each one so their destiny was shared collectively and not on the shoulders of one).


well i think that its better to be -most away game wins,instead higher selection of random maps..

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yes, mine small mistake :-$
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Re: [CL4] Clan League 4

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:22 am

most away wins = good idea
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