[CC3] - 3rd Annual Conqueror's Cup! -- TOFU wins!

by **Bruceswar** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:12 am

I am looking out for what is best for the clan world. My own clan has nothing to do with it. The later rounds always drag on due to the holidays. With that said we will see what chuuuck thinks.

by **MichelSableheart** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:44 am

Definately would like to see all clans participate in a single cup.

No clan should be playing in games for CC2 and CC3 simultaneously, because this may have a negative effect on their gameplay. Play in's and first round byes are a possible solution for this. I have no problems with guaranteeing the finalists a spot in last 16 if necessary to avoid this overlap.

The schedule should be such that the cup can be finished in a year. This schedule should be strictly kept, to avoid CC3 causing problems for CC4.

by **Dako** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:35 am

I will be very surprised if we figure everything out and end sign-ups by April 1st. I think we will take at least 1 more week discussing everything out, then we will make schedules and rules (3-5 more days) and then 2 more weeks for sing-ups. So I think we can expect CCup to start in May only.

by **freakns** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:09 am

Dako wrote:I will be very surprised if we figure everything out and end sign-ups by April 1st. I think we will take at least 1 more week discussing everything out, then we will make schedules and rules (3-5 more days) and then 2 more weeks for sing-ups. So I think we can expect CCup to start in May only.

which is fine, but im guessing july and august would be problematic(most likely second round), cause ppl will start going on holidays and will ask to have second round start in september. then beofre third round starts, we will have talks about new year and christmas holidays(in which case they will not ask you or me anything, even though our christmas is in january

), and we will be lucky to finish CC3 before end of 2013

because of this, i think we should follow some kind of schedule. im guessing 2 months is more then enough for 40 games to finish.(hell, we are active for 3 months now, and we will finish our second clan war, 41 and 61 games, no more then 2 weeks from now... and in the same time we were dealing with CL and have half of the clan freemiums). so set the schedule. first round starts May 1st. second round(32 teams overall) starts july 1ts. third round(16 teams) starts semptember 1st. when we enter round 4, and have 8 clans remaining, they can drag a bit if they like(and god knows they will drag it to infinity... )... and while those teams finishing CC3, clans can enter CC4 at the beginning of 2013.
we do the format where remaining of clan world(all clans minus top 8 from CC3) will participate to get top 8 teams. after those, lets call them qualifications, are over we will have 8 "winners" and 8 teams from CC3 who will decide who is the winner of CC4... ofc, after CC3 and first part of CC4 are over, we can have some kind of break(1-2 months) before continuing...
this way, we could have all clans participating in future, and having chance to be competitive instead of being blown out by top clans in first round. in same time, top clans would still have to win 4 challenges in a row to win a (perfect) C Cup, and have some vacation between clan events.

by **Qwert** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:22 am

i think that we stay with good old system,like we play in previous years.
So if we have 34 signed teams,30 get 1 round pass,and 4 lower clan play qualification for 1 round.
Also maybe its better for all rounds to be 40 games chalenges.

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:07 am

Dako wrote:Giving 2 byes doesn't seem fair to me.

Also, we can consider making 2 separate cups if we are stressed in numbers. Lets say top 20 clans in 1st cup (last 8 clans battle for 4 last places) and another cup with all the rest. It will make the cup shorter, it will also help lesser clans to actually win any challenges and move up the ladder. So if somebody around #15-20 clans loses in the first round - they might be overrun by clans from the second cup. And then those clan will be able to participate in CCup-1 next time.

What do you think?

I haven't read all posts yet, I wanted to stop here to comment.

Starting the Conqueror's Cup, the overall goal was to never split it. The league has always split and everyone complained a new good clan didn't get a chance. I vowed the Cup would always give the "little guy" the chance to play one of the elite and prove their worth and move on just as much as anyone else.

by **Chuuuuck** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:24 am

Ok guys, I have read everything. The overall system is going to stay the way it is. That will never change. That is what makes this tournament so great and appeal to others. I have thought about limiting clans, it seems everyone is against it. I agree with that logic. We will not limit clans after everyone passes the 2 completed clan war rule by the end of sign ups.

I will start editing first post and setting it up today or tomorrow. But for now, sign ups are starting now and will conclude at the end of March (before midnight on April 1). This gives everyone close to 2 weeks to decide to participate.

Time is an important factor to keep this moving. I am guessing we will start the first round in mid-April. We will know more once we get an idea of who is signing up. But if there is a play in round, it will somehow be reduced in time compared to the other wars because the entire tournament is held up by the play-in games. Either they will be 20 game wars, or possibly 40 game wars with only 1 week in between the 2 rounds of 20 (or maybe even start all 40 games at once). I know the clans at this level typically have players who play a lot more games so this might be reasonable. Regardless, we need to make a decision that gets that rounds moving and quickly over.

Now, are there any other rules from CC2 that anyone would like to discuss? Like I said, I will start getting a list of rules up today/tomorrow. For the most part though, I intend it to look similar to CC2 unless we discuss it here first.

by **Bruceswar** on Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:47 am

KORT is talking over it now. Put is as a maybe. (I am sure we will be in, but gotta talk with the clan mates.)

by **slickstick** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:02 am

TLW are in!!!!

by **Rodion** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:22 am

Draw a bracket of 64 clans. Seed all clans. The bracket is obviously not going to fill, but then you'll know which teams get a bye (#1 gets a bye because there is no #64, #2 because there is no #63, #3 because of no #62 ...) and which ones don't (#32 vs. #33, #31 vs. #34, #30 vs. #35 ...).

"Extra" byes should not be needed because, let's face it, #1 vs. #32 is hardly a real challenge (same goes for any round of 32 game featuring a top 8 clan or so), so those clans that routinely reach the top 4 are scheduled to get easy matchups that should not be exhausting by default.

by **scottp** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:40 am

++The Legion++ is in.

scottp will be primary contact for CC3, chemefreak as backup

by **VioIet** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:50 am

Risk Attackers (RA) is in.

I am the primary contact.

by **Keefie** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:15 am

The Headless Horsemen are in.

Primary contact Keefie
Secondary contact joeaggie98

by **MudPuppy** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:41 am

Imperial Dragoons are in, please.

Primary Contact: 4 U 2 NV
Secondary Contact: MudPuppy

by **Chuuuuck** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:27 am

The OP has been updated with the rules for this year (very similar to last year). I will update the third post shortly with the clans that have signed up. Looking forward to another great tournament with lots of exciting finishes.

by **benga** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:18 am

One Step Ahead - benga

Glad you took firm hand, rather then let this discuss into oblivion

Hopefully we will be part of this longer then last year. :lol:

by **Chuuuuck** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:22 am

benga wrote:
Glad you took firm hand, rather then let this discuss into oblivion

I always do Benga. I try to value everyone's opinion and then make a strong decision that is the best for everyone and try to exclude my preferences as much as possible.

When starting this tournament. I recognized that was one major benefit I had over the rest of CLA. We had the ability to actually get things done and move forward because we didn't have to keep discussing things until everyone was pleased.

by **Chuuuuck** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:10 pm

Third post updated. We quickly have 6 clans signed up. I hope to see this number go up very quickly so everyone has a better idea of what the final number will look like.

by **Qwert** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:33 pm

Clan wars in the round of 16 and the quarter finals of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:

- 61 total games
- 20 doubles
- 20 triples
- 20 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
- Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
- The 61st game will be Quads on World 2.1, sunny, chained, no spoils
- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)
- There will be no freestyle, speed, manual deployments, beta maps, or nuclear spoils games allowed

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dont get me wrong,but if you have 32 clans,these mean that next round will be 61 clan war match?
I think that you need to start with quarterfinals,and put that round of 16 been 41 clan war chalenge.

by **Chuuuuck** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:39 pm

qwert wrote:Clan wars in the round of 16 and the quarter finals of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:

- 61 total games
- 20 doubles
- 20 triples
- 20 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
- Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
- The 61st game will be Quads on World 2.1, sunny, chained, no spoils
- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)
- There will be no freestyle, speed, manual deployments, beta maps, or nuclear spoils games allowed

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dont get me wrong,but if you have 32 clans,these mean that next round will be 61 clan war match?
I think that you need to start with quarterfinals,and put that round of 16 been 41 clan war chalenge.

That is how it was last year. I debated this in my own head. But as someone previously pointed out, the gap between 10-20 is much smaller than what it was last year.

Last year I had them play 41 because there was no way the clans from the 12-16 range were going to make close runs with 1-4 (or so it was presumed). This year I think it is more reasonable that there could be some close matches, so I would hate to see a lucky swing based off a small sample of 41 games.

I think the difference between the top clans and the 2nd tier clans (in the teens) last year, is about the same as the top clans compared to the third teir clans now (in the 20s). But I think the 2nd tier clans are more capable of playing close matches. This is what pushed me towards a larger round of 16 game.

by **Chuuuuck** on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:15 pm

2nd post updated with how the bracket will work for a 35 clan tournament. Obviously play in games will be adjusted for more or less. If more, then the next lowest ranked clans in order (i.e. 29, 28, 27 etc.) will have play in games against the lower ranked teams in order going up (i.e.36, 37, 38 etc.) for the right to play the lower ranked teams they are currently matched against (i.e. 4, 5, 6 etc.).

Does just looking at a bracket like that not get you all excited? I think it clearly shows it is ANYONE'S tournament to win. It gets me pumped up!