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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby benga on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:18 am

One Step Ahead - benga

Glad you took firm hand, rather then let this discuss into oblivion ;)

Hopefully we will be part of this longer then last year. :lol:
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:22 am

benga wrote:
Glad you took firm hand, rather then let this discuss into oblivion ;)



I always do Benga. I try to value everyone's opinion and then make a strong decision that is the best for everyone and try to exclude my preferences as much as possible.

When starting this tournament. I recognized that was one major benefit I had over the rest of CLA. We had the ability to actually get things done and move forward because we didn't have to keep discussing things until everyone was pleased.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:10 pm

Third post updated. We quickly have 6 clans signed up. I hope to see this number go up very quickly so everyone has a better idea of what the final number will look like.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Qwert on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:33 pm

Clan wars in the round of 16 and the quarter finals of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:


- 61 total games
- 20 doubles
- 20 triples
- 20 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
- Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
- The 61st game will be Quads on World 2.1, sunny, chained, no spoils
- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)
- There will be no freestyle, speed, manual deployments, beta maps, or nuclear spoils games allowed

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dont get me wrong,but if you have 32 clans,these mean that next round will be 61 clan war match?
I think that you need to start with quarterfinals,and put that round of 16 been 41 clan war chalenge.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:39 pm

qwert wrote:Clan wars in the round of 16 and the quarter finals of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:


- 61 total games
- 20 doubles
- 20 triples
- 20 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
- Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
- The 61st game will be Quads on World 2.1, sunny, chained, no spoils
- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)
- There will be no freestyle, speed, manual deployments, beta maps, or nuclear spoils games allowed

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dont get me wrong,but if you have 32 clans,these mean that next round will be 61 clan war match?
I think that you need to start with quarterfinals,and put that round of 16 been 41 clan war chalenge.


That is how it was last year. I debated this in my own head. But as someone previously pointed out, the gap between 10-20 is much smaller than what it was last year.

Last year I had them play 41 because there was no way the clans from the 12-16 range were going to make close runs with 1-4 (or so it was presumed). This year I think it is more reasonable that there could be some close matches, so I would hate to see a lucky swing based off a small sample of 41 games.

I think the difference between the top clans and the 2nd tier clans (in the teens) last year, is about the same as the top clans compared to the third teir clans now (in the 20s). But I think the 2nd tier clans are more capable of playing close matches. This is what pushed me towards a larger round of 16 game.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:15 pm

2nd post updated with how the bracket will work for a 35 clan tournament. Obviously play in games will be adjusted for more or less. If more, then the next lowest ranked clans in order (i.e. 29, 28, 27 etc.) will have play in games against the lower ranked teams in order going up (i.e.36, 37, 38 etc.) for the right to play the lower ranked teams they are currently matched against (i.e. 4, 5, 6 etc.).

Does just looking at a bracket like that not get you all excited? I think it clearly shows it is ANYONE'S tournament to win. It gets me pumped up!
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby MudPuppy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:28 pm

MudPuppy wrote:Imperial Dragoons are in, please.

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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:32 pm

Got it
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Teflon Kris on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:40 pm

Brethren of the Fat Mermaid would like in.

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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby cookie0117 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:23 pm

SOH, will be in. If we show up on the f-400!!

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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby WPBRJ on Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:36 pm

cookie0117 wrote:SOH, will be in. If we show up on the f-400!!

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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby josko.ri on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:20 pm

Giving my opinion about what can be done better:

"- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)"
This rule was used in CC1 and CC2 when number of maps were much lower than today. To show depth and overall skills of each clan, I suggest to make it that each clan can use any map only once. 61 maps to use is less than one of a third of all available maps, so there should not be problem to choose it, and we would get better indicator about every clan's overall skills.
Note: This opinion actually goes against my own clan, because we are the ones who often used a lot of map twice, but I really think this is good suggestion for clan world


"We will be playing with a "Cup Tied" rule, meaning once a player plays with any clan, they are tied to that clan and only that clan for the rest of the Cup."
I see that this rule stayed the same like in CC2, even with CC2 mid-discussion where it was concluded that the rule was not good and should be different. I just think better be 100% safe which kind of rule we wish regarding this right now, than discuss about it in the middle of the tournament, like we did in CC2.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby WPBRJ on Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:46 pm

josko.ri wrote:Giving my opinion about what can be done better:

"- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)"
This rule was used in CC1 and CC2 when number of maps were much lower than today. To show depth and overall skills of each clan, I suggest to make it that each clan can use any map only once. 61 maps to use is less than one of a third of all available maps, so there should not be problem to choose it, and we would get better indicator about every clan's overall skills.
Note: This opinion actually goes against my own clan, because we are the ones who often used a lot of map twice, but I really think this is good suggestion for clan world


i really like this and agree 100%

it inst 61 it would actually be 30 maps per clan if there is a clan out there that can not come up with 30 maps maybe they should think about going social
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:57 pm

josko.ri wrote:Giving my opinion about what can be done better:

"- Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads)"
This rule was used in CC1 and CC2 when number of maps were much lower than today. To show depth and overall skills of each clan, I suggest to make it that each clan can use any map only once. 61 maps to use is less than one of a third of all available maps, so there should not be problem to choose it, and we would get better indicator about every clan's overall skills.
Note: This opinion actually goes against my own clan, because we are the ones who often used a lot of map twice, but I really think this is good suggestion for clan world


"We will be playing with a "Cup Tied" rule, meaning once a player plays with any clan, they are tied to that clan and only that clan for the rest of the Cup."
I see that this rule stayed the same like in CC2, even with CC2 mid-discussion where it was concluded that the rule was not good and should be different. I just think better be 100% safe which kind of rule we wish regarding this right now, than discuss about it in the middle of the tournament, like we did in CC2.


I'd like to hear others opinions. Personally, I am leaning towards not changing the map rule. I see it going the other way as well. If you find a weakness of a clan, sometimes it is best to throw it at them twice.

I really have no opinion on cup tied. It is a long event. Things happen, people switch, or people quit the site. I just don't see players hopping around to be in the action being a major problem.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Rodion on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:59 pm

I like the Cup Tied rule. It can avoid major shenanigans such as clans "merging" just so eliminated players can have a 2nd shot.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:05 pm

Rodion wrote:I like the Cup Tied rule. It can avoid major shenanigans such as clans "merging" just so eliminated players can have a 2nd shot.


I do agree with this. It is why the rule was originally there. We haven't had any real trouble with it though, and then the rule has only affected legitimate players who have switched clans and required them to sit out with their new clan for 6-9 months.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby Crazyirishman on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:14 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:
Rodion wrote:I like the Cup Tied rule. It can avoid major shenanigans such as clans "merging" just so eliminated players can have a 2nd shot.


I do agree with this. It is why the rule was originally there. We haven't had any real trouble with it though, and then the rule has only affected legitimate players who have switched clans and required them to sit out with their new clan for 6-9 months.


Maybe put some sort of veto thing in to where if the community thinks a clan is getting a mass influx of players from others clans to help themselves out they would not be allowed to use them.
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Postby Rodion on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:38 pm

Make it so that they are cup tied, but if they do join another clan they can be allowed to play as long as the opposing clan accepts it (and everytime they win and move forward they'll have to get permission from their next opponent).
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Postby chemefreak on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:42 pm

Rodion wrote:Make it so that they are cup tied, but if they do join another clan they can be allowed to play as long as the opposing clan accepts it (and everytime they win and move forward they'll have to get permission from their next opponent).


The CDs would prefer that "cup tied" be the rule. We don't want clans to have to be the "bad guy" for enforcing the rule. So everyone better get in the clan they want to be in...soon!
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Postby Keefie on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:49 pm

The cup tied rule must stay.
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Postby Chuuuuck on Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:44 am

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Rodion wrote:Make it so that they are cup tied, but if they do join another clan they can be allowed to play as long as the opposing clan accepts it (and everytime they win and move forward they'll have to get permission from their next opponent).


The CDs would prefer that "cup tied" be the rule. We don't want clans to have to be the "bad guy" for enforcing the rule. So everyone better get in the clan they want to be in...soon!


I do agree that the other clan shouldn't be involved. I have learned my lesson with that one. The new player may give the clan an advantage but the other clan looks like the bad guy if they don't allow it. I still think the intent of hte rule is to stop gross abuse by trading players or something just to get to the finals. Or merging clans, etc.

I would like to find a way to allow players to play who switch 6 months ago after only playing in the initial round, which we have seen happy a lot in the first two go-rounds.

Maybe everyone would be okay with just letting me use my own judgement in being unbias as possible. I can say for the most part I will allow players to play as long as everything seems legitimate and it appears to be a real switch. But I wouldn't allow any sort of mergers, or large number of pickups or anything
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup! - Sign Up Now!!!

Postby freakns on Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:12 am

cup tied rule should stay. otherwise, we will see even more lurking from top clans(and lets not play dumb here, we all know this is happening)
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup! - Sign Up Now!!!

Postby Dako on Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:34 am

Make it that cup-tied person should skip one match of CCup. If his new clan wins - he is ok to play alongside them in the next round. It is both fair and good.
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Re: [CC3] Third Annual Conqueror's Cup!- Moved 2 Main Clan F

Postby cookie0117 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:46 am

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cookie0117 wrote:SOH, will be in. If we show up on the f-400!!

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showing up on the f-400 is not a qualification to join


I know 2 completed challenges are. We have 6 and I would hate to be ranked last, as it puts us at a disadvantage of meeting a top clan very early on.
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