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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:56 pm

IcePack wrote:
deantursx wrote:Will the winners of each war get medals, or is that outlawed since this is 1v1?


The first edition I don't believe any medals were handed out. I'll discuss a Bruce to see if anything can be issued here. Assume a "no" for now.

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby IcePack on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:05 pm

lord voldemort wrote:
IcePack wrote:
deantursx wrote:Will the winners of each war get medals, or is that outlawed since this is 1v1?


The first edition I don't believe any medals were handed out. I'll discuss a Bruce to see if anything can be issued here. Assume a "no" for now.

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We got medals for the tournament win


Yeah sorry, I spoke to soon. Winners will likely get a medal. I'm still clarifying if that's the only medal option(s) available. But it sounds like winners will get one.

Uckuki - there's no way I could tell at this point. It all depends on how many clans sign up and how people seed their competitors. Totally out of my control currently.

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby Leehar on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:03 pm

uckuki wrote:hi Ice

do you know if, by the way things look right now, FOED would get a first round bye?

The worst that could happen if you don't get a bye, is that you wouldn't be able to play, no worse than you are right now amiright?

May as well sign-up, and if worst comes to worst and you can't field a line-up, you'd just end up in essence giving another clan a bye?
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby patrickaa317 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:27 pm

uckuki wrote:hi Ice

do you know if, by the way things look right now, FOED would get a first round bye?


Only if you play The Fallen... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby IcePack on Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:13 pm

lol thanks patrickaa317 ;)
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby uckuki on Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:29 pm

I'd rather not sign us up then come short on the requisite number of players.
though we are very close, just need another one or two.
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby IcePack on Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:09 pm

Several have asked questions about freemium involvement. This is intended to be a fast(er) paced event. I'm not opposed to freemiums participating, but they can't slow down the event.

I think a good rule to go by is one "series" per freemium, per round. But they need to play enough keeps / keep slots open enough that it doesn't hold up the round.

If it begins to be a problem for any clan / individual the clan / individual maybe asked to limit that players involvement or open more slots etc.

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 8/?)

Postby chemefreak on Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:25 pm

The Legion will participate.
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 9/?)

Postby IcePack on Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:33 pm

Excellent! Updated :)
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 9/?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:52 pm

TOFU
1st & 2nd contacts TBA

Questions:

1. With a series comprising 5 games how do you accommodate freemiums (restricted to 4) and are there rules in place (e.g. deadlines) for creation of the balance of games (to total 5). From what I've witnessed on CC there's often a problem, e.g. "Oh sorry, but I'm in another tourney as well and had to join those games or I'd forfeit" and next thing you know the tourney falls a month behind while we all wait for freemiums to create their outstanding games. If there's no penalty there is no incentive to get the games created.

2. Team A creates 20 x 5 in Week 1 and Team B creates 20 x 5 in Week 3. Is it really necessary to create the extra admin (i.e. a calendar event that we all have to note) of creating just one game (the Classic tiebreaker) in Week 2? May as well just include it in Week 1 games really and then give clan admins a week's break in between, otherwise the tourney requires constant monitoring & action every single week which is bound to cause probs when contacts are on leave or whatever. Just a thought, sorry.
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 9/?)

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:01 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:TOFU
1st & 2nd contacts TBA

Questions:

1. With a series comprising 5 games how do you accommodate freemiums (restricted to 4) and are there rules in place (e.g. deadlines) for creation of the balance of games (to total 5). From what I've witnessed on CC there's often a problem, e.g. "Oh sorry, but I'm in another tourney as well and had to join those games or I'd forfeit" and next thing you know the tourney falls a month behind while we all wait for freemiums to create their outstanding games. If there's no penalty there is no incentive to get the games created.

2. Team A creates 20 x 5 in Week 1 and Team B creates 20 x 5 in Week 3. Is it really necessary to create the extra admin (i.e. a calendar event that we all have to note) of creating just one game (the Classic tiebreaker) in Week 2? May as well just include it in Week 1 games really and then give clan admins a week's break in between, otherwise the tourney requires constant monitoring & action every single week which is bound to cause probs when contacts are on leave or whatever. Just a thought, sorry.


1) I have a freemium note / spoiler on the first post. Essentially I think they can be used "in moderation". My suggestion is 1 game series per round, per freemium as long as they have enough slots and are committed to keeping a fast pace. If it becomes an issue the clan / player will be approached and if it doesn't improve that player wont be allowed to be used. Penalities would follow the standard escalating scale on page 1 if needed / the player can't complete his games cuz other invites etc.

2) If the two teams want to agree to include it in week 1 or 3 i really dont mind at all. As with any clan war if the two sides agree to some altered version of the settings I'm ok with it. This is just the "standard" for anyone who doesn't want to come up with the war term themselves. This was part of the original tournament, if there's enough support we can just include it in Week 1, for example.

Thanks for signing up, I'll add you to the list. :)

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 10/?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:44 am

1. Freemiums noted. Maybe make the rule clearer "A freemium may only join one series per round" (as opposed to "I think a good rule is....." coz that doesn't appear to be binding). Please be aware that if a freemium joins 4 away games or creates 4 home games in the final batch (e.g. in Week 3) that there will inevitably be a delay until he can join/create Game #5. You could end up with a scenario where you are penalising a premium player's team for late joining yet absolving a freemium player for late joining. Just thought I'd point that out as it may cause friction. Simple solution is to either exclude freemiums or make each series best-of-3 but I'm not sure if you want to consider either option. Cheers anyway.

2. Noted, thanks. We'll probably discuss it with the opposing team at the same time we negotiate FoW agreement, etc.
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 10/?)

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:52 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:1. Freemiums noted. Maybe make the rule clearer "A freemium may only join one series per round" (as opposed to "I think a good rule is....." coz that doesn't appear to be binding). Please be aware that if a freemium joins 4 away games or creates 4 home games in the final batch (e.g. in Week 3) that there will inevitably be a delay until he can join/create Game #5. You could end up with a scenario where you are penalising a premium player's team for late joining yet absolving a freemium player for late joining. Just thought I'd point that out as it may cause friction. Simple solution is to either exclude freemiums or make each series best-of-3 but I'm not sure if you want to consider either option. Cheers anyway.

2. Noted, thanks. We'll probably discuss it with the opposing team at the same time we negotiate FoW agreement, etc.


1) Yes, I could make a hard and fast rule. Ultimately, I'm trying to be flexible and inclusive. its up to the clans to use their discretion when planning a freemium. If he has 4 slots open, thats not so bad...if he's got 1 they better be sure he can open up more / RT the hell outta those games etc. Like I said, I'm leaving it in the clans courts to use their judgement, but the "rule" part of it is....if it holds things up significantly, there will be penalties applied. If the clan wants a freemium they either need to ensure he understands he's under special circumstances to complete the series, or not take the risk and not utilize the member.

I would like to leave it up to the clans to decide what's best for them. I like acting like we are all largely intelligent, reasonable people and only punish those who prove me wrong.

Clearly, more than one game series per player per round is to much and should be avoided.

2) That's what its there for. Cheers :)
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 10/?)

Postby bragsie on Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:59 am

MB's here and ready to go, agree september star would be ideal for us.
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 10/?)

Postby Razorvich on Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:16 am

Please count AKA as a confirmed starter to this battle.

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:39 pm

Updated to this point. My current thoughts on timing:

Sign Ups End: July 29
PM to Leaders for Seeding votes: July 29-August 5th
Score Tabulated/ Bracket created: Aug 6-10th
Prediction Entries Accepted: Aug 10-31st
Clan Planning time given: Aug 10-31st (3 Weeks should be plenty of time to plan vs first opponent)
Start Date: Sept 1
First Games Sent: Mon Sept 3rd

Since Sept 1 seems to be the most popular option I gave 3 weeks planning time. Plenty of notice to all involved and planning for admin and thread creation etc.

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:54 pm

Sounds good IP, thanks
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby Leehar on Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:17 pm

With the current 12-18 slot, do you think you could work out a provisional timetable similar to what they have for CC3, because I'm concerned whether this could result in finals being held around Christmas?
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:00 pm

Sure I will work on this, I have a busy week and one of my few weekends that I work so it may not be instant but it will be done asap :)
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby chemefreak on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:53 pm

It is my recollection that this thing went pretty fast last time.
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:58 pm

chemefreak wrote:It is my recollection that this thing went pretty fast last time.


Were you knocked out in Round 1? ;)
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby IcePack on Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:11 pm

From barterer2002 posting to completion it was 4.5 months.
He didn't have such a long lead time for sign ups or planning. But 4 months for 12 clans is a good guesstimate.

Sept Oct Nov w a Dec completion date would be my current guess. (without going thru all the calendar and steps) more clans wouldn't necessarily add much time as there would just be a larger play in...depends on our sign ups and everything.
If when I sit down to figure it out it goes thru christmas holidays we will plan a break accordingly.

This is a very rough estimate here just based on posts from last years thread.

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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby denthefrog on Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:54 am

Pirlo will be the contact for KoRT
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby IcePack on Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:17 am

Thanks DtF
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Re: 2nd Annual 1 vs 1 Clan Challenge (Sign Ups 12/?)

Postby IcePack on Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:31 pm

Currently sounds like both FOED and WAR might not participate.
Nearly every clan was sent a message pointing them to this thread to see if they were interested, including all from last years event.
I haven't received much interest from others. So currently looks like a 12 clan event again. While there's still plenty of time to sign up (and no need to rush since not many want to start ASAP anyway) I just dont hvae any other verbalizing any interest.

That's the update for this weekend.
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