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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Qwert on Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:33 pm

News- Empire and AOC withdraw from competition , and all hes played games will not be count.
QG2 and QG4 continue like 5th team groups. Qualification for Premier-Second-Third league stay same.
1st and 2nd will qualify for Premier
3rd and 4th will qualify for Second
5th will qualify for Third
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby chapcrap on Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:04 am

qwert wrote:News- Empire and AOC withdraw from competition , and all hes played games will not be count.
QG2 and QG4 continue like 5th team groups. Qualification for Premier-Second-Third league stay same.
1st and 2nd will qualify for Premier
3rd and 4th will qualify for Second
5th will qualify for Third

What about qualification for a medal? We have less games now because of this, so we should either get to submit games with our players and have those count towards the game count or have a lowered game count down from 14. I recommend the former, but am fine with a game count of 12 instead of 14.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby josko.ri on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:59 am

qwert wrote:News- Empire and AOC withdraw from competition , and all hes played games will not be count.
QG2 and QG4 continue like 5th team groups. Qualification for Premier-Second-Third league stay same.
1st and 2nd will qualify for Premier
3rd and 4th will qualify for Second
5th will qualify for Third

This is very unfair decision.

With this, the decision to sign out from CL5 will screw total conception of CL5.

What I suggest to make it more fair?

Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.

Scenario 2: The same like Scenario 1, but can allow the new clan to continue competition in CL5 under new name. How? Award them place in Division 1 or Division 2 according to their the lowest placement in Phase 1. For example, if both AoC and EMP finishes second in their group then the new clan has legal right to be in Division 1, so there will still be one empty place which goes to the best 3rd placed clan. It is not favor to the new clan, it is harder way to achieve 2 times in 2 different groups placement in top 2, than to do it just one time like other clans need toi do in order to qualify for Div 1. If for example one clan finishes 1st and other clan finishes 3rd, then award the new clan place in Division 2 and also the best 3rd placed clan award the empty place in Division 1.

This will for sure in the best way hold the integrity of the tournament. Otherwise some clans will have way too big favor and groups will be very imbalanced. Your decision means that someone ranked lower than #24 in QG2 will have ensured place in Division 1, while someone ranked higher than #17 in QG6 will need to have a very hard fight in order to qualify for Division 1.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Qwert on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:16 am

qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

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Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

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consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby chapcrap on Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:21 am

qwert wrote:qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

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Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

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consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.


Consider that we lose 50 game spots. It's silly for us not to be able to use those. I'll submit my games against AoC for qualification in order to have my clan not lose out on game spots.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:31 am

I really didnt pay attention to the AOC/Empire thing, but this seems kind of nuts. Not qwerts fault or anyones, but yeah.

Assuming history wouldve repeated itself AOC and EMP wouldve both finished #1 in their pool, maybe if they played bad #2.

Now theyre gone, and the teams all move up 1 spot AND play inferior competition but a clan who wouldve finished 3rd will now finish 2nd and get a spot in the premier?

Not a very fair shake to the others, but I dont know what else you can do about it.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby josko.ri on Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:54 am

BGtheBrain wrote:Not a very fair shake to the others, but I dont know what else you can do about it.

There is a fair way to all, which needs just a little good will and honesty from organizer and from AoC and EMP to be done in reality. EMP and AOC may play in old roster the remaining 32 games (is it too much to ask?) just to determine placement which they would got in their group. then their vacated places fill with the best next placed clans from any group. for example, if AOC finish first in the group, it means they earned place in Division 1, so then give it to the best placed #3 their place. if they finish 3rd in the group, then they earned position in Division 2, in which case their position can be taken by the best placed #5 clan. And you have the most fair solution for everyone in given circumstances.

josko.ri wrote:Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:00 am

I think thats a good start, but I think a safe assumption could be made that the #1 clan in the group wouldve advanced anyways. I would do #1 gets premier, 2-3 go to second and 4-5 go to third.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Qwert on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:31 am

decision are made, and its will stay.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:34 am

I wouldnt expect otherwise.

I have no problem continuing to ramble.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby chapcrap on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:35 am

chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

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Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

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consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.


Consider that we lose 50 game spots. It's silly for us not to be able to use those. I'll submit my games against AoC for qualification in order to have my clan not lose out on game spots.

qwert wrote:decision are made, and its will stay.

Well this is not a very smart decision. We end up having 6% less game spots than other clans if we're in the top two leagues and 19% less game spots if in the bottom league and we have to keep the same medal qualification rules? First of all, that's not fair. Second, I don't think it's your decision on who is eligible for medals. It's the CDs.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Qwert on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:42 am

chapcrap wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

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Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

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consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.


Consider that we lose 50 game spots. It's silly for us not to be able to use those. I'll submit my games against AoC for qualification in order to have my clan not lose out on game spots.

qwert wrote:decision are made, and its will stay.

Well this is not a very smart decision. We end up having 6% less game spots than other clans if we're in the top two leagues and 19% less game spots if in the bottom league and we have to keep the same medal qualification rules? First of all, that's not fair. Second, I don't think it's your decision on who is eligible for medals. It's the CDs.


Ok, i dont know what you play, but these mine last post
qwert wrote:decision are made, and its will stay.

are related on AOC-EMP case, so what are your game here?
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Qwert on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:37 am

f----finished
d----decided

QG1
R5
GR-LEG 0-1
PIG-CF 0-0
DBC-TOFU 1-1
R6
DBC-GR 0-1
TOFU-PIG 1-0
CF-LEG 1-3

QG2
R5
TLW-WAR 1-2
MYTH-MB 2-0
R6
LOTZ-TLW 1-3
MB-WAR 0-5----------d

QG3
R5
FOED-DYN 0-2
ID-UM8 1-0
SOH-AFOS 0-1
R6
SOH-FOED 0-1
AFOS-ID 1-0
UM8-DYN 1-2

QG4
R5
FALL-VDLL 0-0
LOW-AOK 0-0
R6
RA-FALL 0-1
AOK-VDLL 0-0

QG5
R5
MD-OTP 1-2
TFFS-AQOH 1-1
MM-IA 0-0
R6
MM-MD 2-0
IA-TFFS 0-1
AQOH-OTP 0-1

QG6
R5
TNC-HH 3-0
OSA-DB 0-1
LHDD-KORT 0-0
R6
LHDD-TNC 1-1
KORT-OSA 1-1
DB-HH 1-1
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Crazyirishman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:34 pm

According to josko, this is our division now:
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby angola on Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:18 pm

We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.
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