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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby chemefreak on Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:31 pm

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Do not fret regarding medal eligibility. We will appropriately consider all participants for medals, especially in light of the changes that are happening. No need to submit phantom lists of players and games. It will all work out in the end. I promise. Thanks!

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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby IcePack on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:11 pm

angola wrote:We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.


Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Crazyirishman on Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:03 pm

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angola wrote:We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.


Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.


Thanks Angola,

I think that it would have been a bit of a 3 way dogfight for the top 2 spots, likely coming down to a tiebreaker. Our division was a bit tougher from the start because of the way the seedings worked out.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby josko.ri on Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:01 pm

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angola wrote:We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.


Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.

What about clan who will end 5th will now get golden ticket to Division 2? I used example how it is unfair someone who ends 3rd gets entrance to Div1 but the same unfairmess is someone 5th enter Div2
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby jj3044 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:27 pm

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BGtheBrain wrote:Not a very fair shake to the others, but I dont know what else you can do about it.

There is a fair way to all, which needs just a little good will and honesty from organizer and from AoC and EMP to be done in reality. EMP and AOC may play in old roster the remaining 32 games (is it too much to ask?) just to determine placement which they would got in their group. then their vacated places fill with the best next placed clans from any group. for example, if AOC finish first in the group, it means they earned place in Division 1, so then give it to the best placed #3 their place. if they finish 3rd in the group, then they earned position in Division 2, in which case their position can be taken by the best placed #5 clan. And you have the most fair solution for everyone in given circumstances.

josko.ri wrote:Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.

I'll just respond to this post quick... it actually would have been both EMP and AOC's preference to not drop out, but we had to weigh our options here. If either/both of us had continued in the league and had active EMP or AOC clan games going, we would not be able to enter the Conquorer's Cup as we still had active games going. To us, participating in the CC was more important.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby chapcrap on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:36 pm

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josko.ri wrote:
BGtheBrain wrote:Not a very fair shake to the others, but I dont know what else you can do about it.

There is a fair way to all, which needs just a little good will and honesty from organizer and from AoC and EMP to be done in reality. EMP and AOC may play in old roster the remaining 32 games (is it too much to ask?) just to determine placement which they would got in their group. then their vacated places fill with the best next placed clans from any group. for example, if AOC finish first in the group, it means they earned place in Division 1, so then give it to the best placed #3 their place. if they finish 3rd in the group, then they earned position in Division 2, in which case their position can be taken by the best placed #5 clan. And you have the most fair solution for everyone in given circumstances.

josko.ri wrote:Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.

I'll just respond to this post quick... it actually would have been both EMP and AOC's preference to not drop out, but we had to weigh our options here. If either/both of us had continued in the league and had active EMP or AOC clan games going, we would not be able to enter the Conquorer's Cup as we still had active games going. To us, participating in the CC was more important.


You can't enter it anyway unless you finish two wars in the next two weeks...
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby IcePack on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:38 pm

Doesn't CCup require one war under the new clan as well?
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby hyposquasher on Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:54 am

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jj3044 wrote:I'll just respond to this post quick... it actually would have been both EMP and AOC's preference to not drop out, but we had to weigh our options here. If either/both of us had continued in the league and had active EMP or AOC clan games going, we would not be able to enter the Conquorer's Cup as we still had active games going. To us, participating in the CC was more important.


You can't enter it anyway unless you finish two wars in the next two weeks...



IcePack wrote:Doesn't CCup require one war under the new clan as well?



We aren't a new clan. This is a merger of two existing clans that have all of the necessary credentials to participate in CC4.

Unfortunately there is no clean way on conquerclub to merge two clans cleanly. In the eyes of CL5 there was no clean way for the merged clan to continue on in CL5 in place of either of the separate clans, so we were forced to drop out.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby BGtheBrain on Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:56 am

If you arent new, I think one of the clans shouldve stayed in CL5. I dont think this was the clans fault themselves because Id imagine they wouldve wanted to stay in it.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby hyposquasher on Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:57 am

BGtheBrain wrote:If you arent new, I think one of the clans shouldve stayed in CL5. I dont think this was the clans fault themselves because Id imagine they wouldve wanted to stay in it.


Sorry BG, I had just edited my last post with a line that addresses this. Unfortunately the CD's running CL5 would not permit us to stay in the tourney. You are right, we would have loved to!
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby IcePack on Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:58 am

hyposquasher wrote:
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jj3044 wrote:I'll just respond to this post quick... it actually would have been both EMP and AOC's preference to not drop out, but we had to weigh our options here. If either/both of us had continued in the league and had active EMP or AOC clan games going, we would not be able to enter the Conquorer's Cup as we still had active games going. To us, participating in the CC was more important.


You can't enter it anyway unless you finish two wars in the next two weeks...



IcePack wrote:Doesn't CCup require one war under the new clan as well?



We aren't a new clan. This is a merger of two existing clans that have all of the necessary credentials to participate in CC4.

Unfortunately there is no clean way on conquerclub to merge two clans cleanly. In the eyes of CL5 there was no clean way for the merged clan to continue on in CL5 in place of either of the separate clans, so we were forced to drop out.


So are you AOC or EMP? Technically you'd have to be under one of the old banners (renamed sure) to enter as an existing clan.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby hyposquasher on Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:46 am

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hyposquasher wrote:

We aren't a new clan. This is a merger of two existing clans that have all of the necessary credentials to participate in CC4.

Unfortunately there is no clean way on conquerclub to merge two clans cleanly. In the eyes of CL5 there was no clean way for the merged clan to continue on in CL5 in place of either of the separate clans, so we were forced to drop out.


So are you AOC or EMP? Technically you'd have to be under one of the old banners (renamed sure) to enter as an existing clan.


This isn't the appropriate thread for this conversation and I don't wish to be a part of a hijacking! :P :)

My original intention was to point out that this a merger, not a new clan; and to explain why we had to remove ourselves from CL5.
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Postby chapcrap on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:07 am

hyposquasher wrote:
IcePack wrote:
hyposquasher wrote:

We aren't a new clan. This is a merger of two existing clans that have all of the necessary credentials to participate in CC4.

Unfortunately there is no clean way on conquerclub to merge two clans cleanly. In the eyes of CL5 there was no clean way for the merged clan to continue on in CL5 in place of either of the separate clans, so we were forced to drop out.


So are you AOC or EMP? Technically you'd have to be under one of the old banners (renamed sure) to enter as an existing clan.


This isn't the appropriate thread for this conversation and I don't wish to be a part of a hijacking! :P :)

My original intention was to point out that this a merger, not a new clan; and to explain why we had to remove ourselves from CL5.

Ok, well, that's not what jetsetwilly said.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Crazyirishman on Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:44 pm

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angola wrote:We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.


Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.

What about clan who will end 5th will now get golden ticket to Division 2? I used example how it is unfair someone who ends 3rd gets entrance to Div1 but the same unfairmess is someone 5th enter Div2


Okay Im going to try my hardest not to sound elitist in this post...

Honestly josko , how many fucks do you really give about a clan finishing 5th in a division and getting bumped up to 4th? Im guessing the number is pretty damn close to zero. I feel like your making this point just for the sake of argument right now.

I know you're a numbers and stats person so I think its safe to say you check the f400 somewhat frequently at the least. But in terms of quality of play there is not a giant difference between many of the clans ranked 24-36 in this competition and many can play each other equally. Many of the clans in the range are also part of the 'let's not take ourselves too seriously, clans are for fun" school of thought and frankly don't give a shit about how they're ranked. Because of this, how many people in the clans of the fringe of DIv2/Div3 will be beating on war drums and calling for a reparation of the injustice of the 'golden ticket' that was dealt to somebody else? Maybe 2 or 3, but majority will think "hey extraneous circumstances beyond our control effected the original draw, and a couple people got bumped up...shit happens"

If this situation were to happen in which two clans ranked 22nd and 23rd dropped out, would you have even brought this up and started talking about the 'golden ticket' arbitrary clan ranked 26th received to get into division 2? Or are you only mentioning this because it slightly affects your CL5 experience? The competition will play out naturally and fine despite regardless of where a couple different clan get seeded.(also the phrase golden ticket is slightly elitist in the manner in which you use it because it implies that no merit was involved).
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5- main page

Postby Qwert on Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:55 pm

I think that all these conversation need to be in some other topic, not here.
AOC and EMP are withdraw from CL5, and i make decision, and now we can stop discussion who are going nowhere.

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