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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main page[Round 9 and 10 -Start 28 J

Postby josko.ri on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:41 am

freakns wrote:i too dont see a problem here. if player has joined games, and will be missed for short period of time(its not like you are going to play 5 opening rounds for him), then anyone can sit for him.

however, if he keeps going off on weekends, and you keep playing first turns in unlimited games for him, then yes, that could be interpreted as violation of rules(this has been the case some year ago, but from what i know, Moonchild has start playing his moves over the weekends too. so unless he again get sudden case of illness known as "not playing first movesitis", you are OK)

He will be absent from today until Sunday. For cases like that (known short vacations) there are 2 solutions:
1. Sitter plays opening turn.
2. Games where he plays getting delayed for several days.

In my opinion (2) is much better because benefit is that it is more fair because original player plays his opening turn (more fun for him as it should be) and also, there will not happen that someone who may be better skilled on particular map/settings than original player plays opening turn, in which case his team got unfair advantage over opponents.The only benefit of option (1) is game being not late by 4 days.

According to rules, option (1) is obviously correct, and I think rules are bad because of that, but I will follow the rules regardless what is my opinion about them.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main page[Round 9 and 10 -Start 28 J

Postby Qwert on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:49 am

josko.ri wrote:
freakns wrote:i too dont see a problem here. if player has joined games, and will be missed for short period of time(its not like you are going to play 5 opening rounds for him), then anyone can sit for him.

however, if he keeps going off on weekends, and you keep playing first turns in unlimited games for him, then yes, that could be interpreted as violation of rules(this has been the case some year ago, but from what i know, Moonchild has start playing his moves over the weekends too. so unless he again get sudden case of illness known as "not playing first movesitis", you are OK)

He will be absent from today until Sunday. For cases like that (known short vacations) there are 2 solutions:
1. Sitter plays opening turn.
2. Games where he plays getting delayed for several days.

In my opinion (2) is much better because benefit is that it is more fair because original player plays his opening turn (more fun for him as it should be) and also, there will not happen that someone who may be better skilled on particular map/settings than original player plays opening turn, in which case his team got unfair advantage over opponents.The only benefit of option (1) is game being not late by 4 days.

According to rules, option (1) is obviously correct, and I think rules are bad because of that, but I will follow the rules regardless what is my opinion about them.

here we go again........man.
Why everytime you want to arguing about rules?
You ask for rule abouth player who are away for short period, then i give you answer, and you are still not happy??
I check games when you and moonchild are play together in CL5-Premier League- 3 games in process and 2 game its in waiting.
You dont sit for hem in any of this games, so everything are ok.
But like freak say, its will not be good ,if this start to repeat every week.
Are we finally clarify all this?
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main page[Round 9 and 10 -Start 28 J

Postby josko.ri on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:53 am

qwert wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
freakns wrote:i too dont see a problem here. if player has joined games, and will be missed for short period of time(its not like you are going to play 5 opening rounds for him), then anyone can sit for him.

however, if he keeps going off on weekends, and you keep playing first turns in unlimited games for him, then yes, that could be interpreted as violation of rules(this has been the case some year ago, but from what i know, Moonchild has start playing his moves over the weekends too. so unless he again get sudden case of illness known as "not playing first movesitis", you are OK)

He will be absent from today until Sunday. For cases like that (known short vacations) there are 2 solutions:
1. Sitter plays opening turn.
2. Games where he plays getting delayed for several days.

In my opinion (2) is much better because benefit is that it is more fair because original player plays his opening turn (more fun for him as it should be) and also, there will not happen that someone who may be better skilled on particular map/settings than original player plays opening turn, in which case his team got unfair advantage over opponents.The only benefit of option (1) is game being not late by 4 days.

According to rules, option (1) is obviously correct, and I think rules are bad because of that, but I will follow the rules regardless what is my opinion about them.

here we go again........man.
Why everytime you want to arguing about rules?
You ask for rule abouth player who are away for short period, then i give you answer, and you are still not happy??
I check games when you and moonchild are play together in CL5-Premier League- 3 games in process and 2 game its in waiting.
You dont sit for hem in any of this games, so everything are ok.
But like freak say, its will not be good ,if this start to repeat every week.
Are we finally clarify all this?

Yes we are, didn't I say that I will follow your explanation of rules?

Another thing is if I agree or disagree which in this case I disagree.
I am able to disagree with something but still respect it, and it is case here.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main page[Round 9 and 10 -Start 28 J

Postby chapcrap on Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:13 pm

josko.ri wrote:
freakns wrote:i too dont see a problem here. if player has joined games, and will be missed for short period of time(its not like you are going to play 5 opening rounds for him), then anyone can sit for him.

however, if he keeps going off on weekends, and you keep playing first turns in unlimited games for him, then yes, that could be interpreted as violation of rules(this has been the case some year ago, but from what i know, Moonchild has start playing his moves over the weekends too. so unless he again get sudden case of illness known as "not playing first movesitis", you are OK)

He will be absent from today until Sunday. For cases like that (known short vacations) there are 2 solutions:
1. Sitter plays opening turn.
2. Games where he plays getting delayed for several days.

In my opinion (2) is much better because benefit is that it is more fair because original player plays his opening turn (more fun for him as it should be) and also, there will not happen that someone who may be better skilled on particular map/settings than original player plays opening turn, in which case his team got unfair advantage over opponents.The only benefit of option (1) is game being not late by 4 days.

According to rules, option (1) is obviously correct, and I think rules are bad because of that, but I will follow the rules regardless what is my opinion about them.

How about the thirs solution of someone else in the game?

Maybe a C&A rep should take a look at this again...
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main page[Round 9 and 10 -Start 28 J

Postby josko.ri on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:31 am

chapcrap wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
freakns wrote:i too dont see a problem here. if player has joined games, and will be missed for short period of time(its not like you are going to play 5 opening rounds for him), then anyone can sit for him.

however, if he keeps going off on weekends, and you keep playing first turns in unlimited games for him, then yes, that could be interpreted as violation of rules(this has been the case some year ago, but from what i know, Moonchild has start playing his moves over the weekends too. so unless he again get sudden case of illness known as "not playing first movesitis", you are OK)

He will be absent from today until Sunday. For cases like that (known short vacations) there are 2 solutions:
1. Sitter plays opening turn.
2. Games where he plays getting delayed for several days.

In my opinion (2) is much better because benefit is that it is more fair because original player plays his opening turn (more fun for him as it should be) and also, there will not happen that someone who may be better skilled on particular map/settings than original player plays opening turn, in which case his team got unfair advantage over opponents.The only benefit of option (1) is game being not late by 4 days.

According to rules, option (1) is obviously correct, and I think rules are bad because of that, but I will follow the rules regardless what is my opinion about them.

How about the thirs solution of someone else in the game?

Maybe a C&A rep should take a look at this again...

This is why I asked qwert for solution to the problem, and HE as organizer says if Moonchild joined while he was not still on vacation and if vacation is so short then it is ok for him to play.

For example, the same issue happened in KORT vs TFFS war. We asked TFFS if they are ok with delay of some games and they agreed so no problem with sitter playing opening turn will appear there and everyone will be happy and Moonchild will not miss the whole round (which means about one month of fun in playing games) because of only 4 days absence. This is the simplest solution which follows common sense, in my opinion.

The same thing I wanted to do here (get delay until Monday), and that is what I asked. Organizer answered it is not allowed, but it is ok that sitter plays opening turn for absent person when absence is so short.

If organizer answered for example "it is not ok to delay matches until Monday nor it is ok to play opening turn by sitter, I suggest that player in question skip this round" then we would do accordingly to answer from the organizer. That is purpose of asking, no? To know official opinion by official person what is ok and what is not ok. I had asked for rules clarification on the time when zero his games of this round had started so if answer from organizer was different, we would do different.

Before any game was started I quoted answer from organizer and said "You clarified all here so if anyone will complain about my sitting for him only in round 1, I will redirect him here to your explanation of rules." so according to that I am redirecting anyone who has issue to organizer's clarification of rules:
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Round 11 and 12 -Start 11 augus

Postby Qwert on Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:56 am

next table update will be on 11 august(cc time)
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Round 11 and 12 -Start 11 augus

Postby TheMissionary on Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:45 am

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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Round 13 and 14 -Start 25 augus

Postby Qwert on Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:49 am

next table and score update will be on 25 august
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Round 13 and 14 -Start 25 augus

Postby Qwert on Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:59 am

round 13 and 14 all games are activated
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Round 15 and 16-start 8 septemb

Postby Qwert on Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:09 am

next table update will be on 8 september.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Round 15 and 16-start 8 septemb

Postby Qwert on Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:09 pm

as of 10 september, im no more organiser of CL5, so for any help or questions, you need to contact yours League Directors, and if they can not help you, then i suppose you need to contact CD.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Rd 15 & 16] - See OP

Postby Leehar on Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:09 am

Keefie will be replacing qwert as CL5 Organiser to see us through to the end of the competition. Bear with us as we work to ensure the competition continues as a great event.
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Re: [CL5]-Clan League 5-main[Rd 15 & 16] - See OP

Postby fishydance on Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:28 pm

Leehar wrote:Keefie will be replacing qwert as CL5 Organiser to see us through to the end of the competition. Bear with us as we work to ensure the competition continues as a great event.


Excellent! He is a good one. =D>
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Re: [CL5] Premier: MVP: Second: MVP: Third: AQOH MVP: thelor

Postby chemefreak on Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:17 am

Congratulations to thelord of AQOH for being selected the MVP of the Third League! =D> =D>
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP: 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thelord

Postby cooldeals on Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:50 pm

I posted this in Qwert's thread. Just checked and I think it's the wrong one (since he is no longer responsible for this). Please don't kill me for quoting it here in the relevant thread.

cooldeals wrote:So obviously this will be decided by the Clan and TO Mods who organize this but a little friendly discussion seems fine.

It seems the two most obvious candidates to me for the PL MVP are josko.ri (28/34 82%) and Swifte (42/59 71%)

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Total Games played 34
Total Games won 28 - 82%
Home 15/17 (88%)
Away 13/17 (76%)
Total Maps Played 27
Escalating: 6/7 86%
Flat Rate: 0/1 0%
Nuclear: 12/13 92%
No Spoils 10/13 77%
Chained: 12/16 75%
Adjacent 1/2 50%
Unlimited: 15/16 94%

Dubs 4/5 80%

City Mogul W
Dawn of Ages W
Imperium Romanum W
Knights L
Treasures of Galapagos W

Trips 10/12 (83%)

Antartica L
Baltic Crusades L
Chinese Checkers W
Classic Cities: London W
Conquer 4 W
Conquer Man W
Das Schloss W
First Nations Americas W
WWII Australia W
WWII Europe W
Waterloo W
Woodboro W

Quads 14/17 82%
All Your Base Are Belong To Us W
Antartica 2W
Atlantis L
Battle of Acitum W
Classic Cities: Pot Motsbi 2W
Conquer Man: W
First Nations Americas: W
Fractured America: W
Hive L
Pearl Harbor W
Stalingrad W
Supermax: Prison Riot 1W 1L
Waterloo W
World 2.1 W

Swifte
Total Games played 59
Total Games won 42 - 71%
Home 20/30 (67%)
Away 22/29 (76%)
Total Maps Played 52
Escalating: 10/14 71%
Flat Rate: 1/1 100%
Nuclear: 7/11 92%
No Spoils 24/33 73%
Chained: 33/46 72%
Adjacent 7/10 70%
Unlimited: 2/3 67%

Dubs 9/13 69%%

AOR1 L
Austerlitz W
BeNeLux W
Clandemonium W
Conquer 4 W
Eastern Hemisphere W
Europe 1914 W
Macedonia W
South America W
Space L
Three Kingdoms of Korea 1W 1L
Unification Italy L

Trips 17/19 (89%)

Battle of Acitum W
Classic Cities: Sydney W
Cuban Missle Crisis W
Egypt Valley of the Kings W
Eurasia W
Halloween Hallows W
Hive W
Island of Doom W
Lunar War W
Middle Ages W
New Zealand W
Philadelphia L
San Fransisco W
Steamworks W
Tribal War - Florida W
WWII Ardennes W
WWII Europe W
Waterloo L

Quads 16/27 59%
Austerlitz W
Baltic Crusades W
Brazil W
Chinese Checkers W
Cricket 1W 1L
D-Day: Omaha Beach L
Forbidden City W
Fractured America W
Germany W
Hive W
Iberia L
Land and Sea L
Macedonia L
Monsters L
Napoleonic Europe W
Rail Africa W
Rail Asia L
Rail Australia L
Rorke's Drift W
Solar System L
Stalingrad W
Supermax: Prison Riot W
WWII Europe L
WWII Gazala W
World 2.1 1W 1L

josko.ri v Swifte 1-1 (Swifte was on the only team to defeat josko with unlimited reinforcements)

After all that I really don't know who to choose.

Yet there is definitively a disparity in the amount and type of games played. Swifte played almost twice as many maps, played on many away games that were highly luck based, played in more games and somehow pulled 42 wins by far the most of anyone in the premier league.

So I guess it all depends on your definition of Most "Valuable" Player. I wish I had both on my team.

jokso won a whopping 82% of his games including 27% of his clans wins and led his clan to a championship.
Swifte played in 42% of IA's wins, organized all their games and led them to #2 in the league.

josko seems to be the easiest case to defend. His clan won clan league and he has the highest win %. Still I don't think it'd be unreasonable for the CD's and TO's to throw Swifte the award if they consider his value to IA v. josko's value to KORT. I think in that regard if you removed Swifte from this event you would see a more drastic difference (value) v removing josko. Also, Swifte played a lot more luck based maps which in itself is a sacrifice for your team.

Let's see who wins. I'm sure there are other great candidates too, but I can't take any more time for my curiosity. I'm crossing my fingers that these two clans never merge!
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP: 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thelord

Postby fishydance on Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:09 pm

cooldeals wrote: I'm crossing my fingers that these two clans never merge!
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You know, that's not a bad idea.....
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP:josko 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thel

Postby chemefreak on Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:00 pm

mcshanester29 and the CDs have chosen josko.ri as the Premiere League MVP! Congrats =D>
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP:josko 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thel

Postby cooldeals on Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:34 pm

Congrats josko =D> =D> =D>
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP:josko 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thel

Postby LEQUEEN on Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:41 pm

Josko wd as usual =D>
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP:josko 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thel

Postby Keefie on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:49 pm

Well played Josko :)
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Re: [CL5] Prem:KORT MVP:josko 2nd:ID MVP: 3rd:AQOH MVP: thel

Postby Armandolas on Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:45 am

Congratz to ALL the winners
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Re: [CL5] 1:KORT MVP:josko 2:ID MVP:M Chief 3:AQOH MVP:thelo

Postby chemefreak on Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:01 pm

Master Chief is the MVP of the Second League =D>

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Re: [CL5] 1:KORT MVP:josko 2:ID MVP:M Chief 3:AQOH MVP:thelo

Postby benga on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:16 pm

chemefreak wrote:Master Chief is the MVP of the Second League =D>

And that is all she wrote folks. All medals issued, MVPs awarded, and privs removed. I will let this hang around for a few days then move to complete challenges.


I found one with even better win % 2/2=100% Dboeke
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Re: [CL5] 1:KORT MVP:josko 2:ID MVP:M Chief 3:AQOH MVP:thelo

Postby EBConquer on Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:50 pm

Congrats guys!
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