Conquer Club

CCup4 - KORT Wins!!

Finished challenges between two competitive clans.

Moderator: Clan Directors

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby chapcrap on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:11 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:Can we poll clans to see if they are in favour of doing it this way? As per my earlier post it's not something I'm in favour of.

Agreed.

And, if games are supposed to be filled by joining, then they should also be filled within 5 days, not invites sent at the end of the fifth day. Let's get this thing moving. Per the rules, clans have 5 days to have games be filled. Let's cut it to 4 and make them actually be filled by then!!
Lieutenant chapcrap
 
Posts: 9686
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:46 am
Location: Kansas City

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby chemefreak on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:16 pm

No polling during the event. The CL5 rule is clearly different from this one. The games must be joined.

Honestly, I doubt I hear any complaints from anyone if they get invited but unjoined games. Everyone is just making a mountain out of a molehill.

Also, the "just give us four days" comment cracked me up. Just make sure your games are joined before you give them to the other side...we gave everyone 2 weeks between challenges and everyone seems to be agreeing to 2 weeks between exchanges. 13 days vs 14 days. Then the clan that gets the games has 5 days. Not a big deal.
:twisted: ChemE :twisted:
Image
Š±Ń€Š°Ń‚ŃŒŃ Š² руŠŗŠ¾ŃŃ‚ŠŗŠ°Ń…
I ā™„ ++The Legion++
User avatar
Lieutenant chemefreak
 
Posts: 3451
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:30 pm
Location: Columbus (Franklin Park), Ohio

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby chapcrap on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:25 pm

chemefreak wrote:No polling during the event. The CL5 rule is clearly different from this one. The games must be joined.

Honestly, I doubt I hear any complaints from anyone if they get invited but unjoined games. Everyone is just making a mountain out of a molehill.

Also, the "just give us four days" comment cracked me up. Just make sure your games are joined before you give them to the other side...we gave everyone 2 weeks between challenges and everyone seems to be agreeing to 2 weeks between exchanges. 13 days vs 14 days. Then the clan that gets the games has 5 days. Not a big deal.

So, are you going on enforce that the away team has to have the games filled within 5 days too? That's in the rules.
Lieutenant chapcrap
 
Posts: 9686
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:46 am
Location: Kansas City

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby chemefreak on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:32 pm

chapcrap wrote:
chemefreak wrote:No polling during the event. The CL5 rule is clearly different from this one. The games must be joined.

Honestly, I doubt I hear any complaints from anyone if they get invited but unjoined games. Everyone is just making a mountain out of a molehill.

Also, the "just give us four days" comment cracked me up. Just make sure your games are joined before you give them to the other side...we gave everyone 2 weeks between challenges and everyone seems to be agreeing to 2 weeks between exchanges. 13 days vs 14 days. Then the clan that gets the games has 5 days. Not a big deal.

So, are you going on enforce that the away team has to have the games filled within 5 days too? That's in the rules.


Yes. Of course, if no one brings it to our attention or no one complains or the clans agree ahead of time that they just need to be fully invited (which is probably the case 99% of the time) it will be a no harm, no foul thing. All I know is at this point at least two clans signed up interpreting the rule this way. Mine and AKA (eddie2). Now, if eddie2 and I agree on something...

For instance, I see that IA has not yet made their RD 2 games in our challenge and is not likely to have them joined by our deadline tonight. Am I going to complain? Nope. Because we won't join them until we have discussed them for 2-3 days. Now, if 4 days go by and I go to send out my invites and they have empty spots...that is a different story.
:twisted: ChemE :twisted:
Image
Š±Ń€Š°Ń‚ŃŒŃ Š² руŠŗŠ¾ŃŃ‚ŠŗŠ°Ń…
I ā™„ ++The Legion++
User avatar
Lieutenant chemefreak
 
Posts: 3451
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:30 pm
Location: Columbus (Franklin Park), Ohio

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:36 pm

chemefreak wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
chemefreak wrote:No polling during the event. The CL5 rule is clearly different from this one. The games must be joined.

Honestly, I doubt I hear any complaints from anyone if they get invited but unjoined games. Everyone is just making a mountain out of a molehill.

Also, the "just give us four days" comment cracked me up. Just make sure your games are joined before you give them to the other side...we gave everyone 2 weeks between challenges and everyone seems to be agreeing to 2 weeks between exchanges. 13 days vs 14 days. Then the clan that gets the games has 5 days. Not a big deal.

So, are you going on enforce that the away team has to have the games filled within 5 days too? That's in the rules.


Yes. Of course, if no one brings it to our attention or no one complains or the clans agree ahead of time that they just need to be fully invited (which is probably the case 99% of the time) it will be a no harm, no foul thing. All I know is at this point at least two clans signed up interpreting the rule this way. Mine and AKA (eddie2). Now, if eddie2 and I agree on something...

For instance, I see that IA has not yet made their RD 2 games in our challenge and is not likely to have them joined by our deadline tonight. Am I going to complain? Nope. Because we won't join them until we have discussed them for 2-3 days. Now, if 4 days go by and I go to send out my invites and they have empty spots...that is a different story.



So you are saying you are a reasonable person, but if someone wants to be an ass and push the rules they could?
Highest Rank: 26 Highest Score: 3480
Image
User avatar
Corporal Bruceswar
 
Posts: 9713
Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:36 am
Location: Cow Pastures

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby eddie2 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:16 pm

lol i might be a arse for pushing for it bruce.. but remember one thing you are the one who invented and implemented the rules that clans signed up for and joined the event understanding. but you are the only person to not follow the rules...


and chemefreak i agree with what you said one hundred percent if a clan contacts you to say sorryi am late, will have them done by a certain date. then it would be ok.. if they contact another member of the clan who is not organizing the games or running it for the clan and do not explain to him that they are late, then use the fact that that member said it was ok then i would have a problem with it.. because they are not showing the respect you are giving them. by signing up on time or contacting you. and are taking the piss out of the member they tricked into letting them be late.
User avatar
Major eddie2
 
Posts: 4262
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:56 am
Location: Southampton uk

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Doc_Brown on Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:06 pm

My expectation, as with most of the other rules, is that two clans preparing for a war may agree to interpret the rule as fully invited rather than fully joined. Obviously, if either clan disagrees, fully joined is the requirement.
Image
User avatar
Colonel Doc_Brown
 
Posts: 1318
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:06 pm

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:34 pm

Doc_Brown wrote:My expectation, as with most of the other rules, is that two clans preparing for a war may agree to interpret the rule as fully invited rather than fully joined. Obviously, if either clan disagrees, fully joined is the requirement.



So you are saying any clan can play hard ball and use this rule? Since when has this ever been a problem?
Highest Rank: 26 Highest Score: 3480
Image
User avatar
Corporal Bruceswar
 
Posts: 9713
Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:36 am
Location: Cow Pastures

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Doc_Brown on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:03 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
Doc_Brown wrote:My expectation, as with most of the other rules, is that two clans preparing for a war may agree to interpret the rule as fully invited rather than fully joined. Obviously, if either clan disagrees, fully joined is the requirement.

So you are saying any clan can play hard ball and use this rule? Since when has this ever been a problem?


That's what I'm saying. I don't see a problem. The default rule has been defined, and if two clans want to deviate from that in their war, I assume they have the right to do so. I prefer that games be invited on exchange rather than joined, but if a future opponent insists it be the other way, meh. So be it.
Image
User avatar
Colonel Doc_Brown
 
Posts: 1318
Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:06 pm

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby IcePack on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:39 pm

That's kinda my feeling as well (docs)
Image

fac vitam incredibilem memento vivere
Knowledge Weighs Nothing, Carry All You Can
User avatar
Major IcePack
Multi Hunter
Multi Hunter
 
Posts: 16524
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:42 pm
Location: California

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Dako on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:55 am

chemefreak wrote:Honestly, I doubt I hear any complaints from anyone if they get invited but unjoined games. Everyone is just making a mountain out of a molehill.

Even if somebody is making a mountain it is because those are the rules. You have to follow the rules and this rules is very very simple. It is not that KORT is bad and want to gain any advantage but that they break rules. If you CDs don't like that rule then why do you have it in CCup at all?

Doc_Brown wrote:That's what I'm saying. I don't see a problem. The default rule has been defined, and if two clans want to deviate from that in their war, I assume they have the right to do so. I prefer that games be invited on exchange rather than joined, but if a future opponent insists it be the other way, meh. So be it.

That's true Doc, but those deviations should be listed in the OP of the war and must be settled before the war has started. In this particular example (KORT vs AKA) I don't see any mention in the OP or anywhere that both AKA and KORT actually agreed to send games fully invited instead of fully joined. Yes, I saw that both clans thinks that's a silly rule but AKA is actually following it while KORT doesn't. That is what concerns me most.
Image
User avatar
Colonel Dako
 
Posts: 3987
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:07 am
Location: St. Petersburg, Russia

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby jetsetwilly on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:00 am

I guess my comment was more of a general view than specific to cc4 so perhaps it didn't belong here. The rules for this tournament are set and has already been stated, if 2 clans agree to deviate on this point then that clearly does no harm.

I'm just suggesting that for future competitions and wars in general, perhaps the default should be different.
Image
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class jetsetwilly
 
Posts: 515
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:31 am
Location: United Kingdom

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby josko.ri on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:02 am

Dako wrote:Yes, I saw that both clans thinks that's a silly rule but AKA is actually following it while KORT doesn't. That is what concerns me most.

In time of exchanging games in set 1, all 10 AKA's games had invites sent but no single game was joined by home team.

It is your false statement that AKA followed this rule while KORT did not. For me it is no wonder that you are following KORT everywhere trying to write something negative about us, even when your statements are false like this one =D>
Image
User avatar
Major josko.ri
 
Posts: 4865
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:18 pm
35631611102

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Dako on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:10 am

josko.ri wrote:
Dako wrote:Yes, I saw that both clans thinks that's a silly rule but AKA is actually following it while KORT doesn't. That is what concerns me most.

In time of exchanging games in set 1, all 10 AKA's games had invites sent but no single game was joined by home team.

It is your false statement that AKA followed this rule while KORT did not. For me it is no wonder that you are following KORT everywhere trying to write something negative about us, even when your statements are false like this one =D>

There was no traction about batch 1 games so it passed me that AKA games were not filled on the moment. I cannot confirm this now and it has never been mentioned in the forums before. And don't make this personal josko, it is very low and just shows that you have no argument but coming down to name calling.
Image
User avatar
Colonel Dako
 
Posts: 3987
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:07 am
Location: St. Petersburg, Russia

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby josko.ri on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:16 am

Dako wrote:I cannot confirm this now and it has never been mentioned in the forums before.


Another false statement. It has been mentioned in AKA-KORT thread, which you obviously follow judging by your posting there, but somehow you read only parts that you want to read =D>
Image
User avatar
Major josko.ri
 
Posts: 4865
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:18 pm
35631611102

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby chapcrap on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:35 am

jetsetwilly wrote:If 2 clans agree to deviate on this point then that clearly does no harm.

This is a point where I differ. I want this thing to not drag on for ages. Which is why I care more about the away teams getting it filled quickly more than the home teams having the games filled. But, either way, I'd like to see the game joining enforced stricter so that the tournament moves at a quicker pace. If everyone is taking an extra day or two throughout the war to do things, that's gonna add up to an extra month by the end of the tournament.
Lieutenant chapcrap
 
Posts: 9686
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:46 am
Location: Kansas City

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby jetsetwilly on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:54 am

chapcrap wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:If 2 clans agree to deviate on this point then that clearly does no harm.

This is a point where I differ. I want this thing to not drag on for ages. Which is why I care more about the away teams getting it filled quickly more than the home teams having the games filled. But, either way, I'd like to see the game joining enforced stricter so that the tournament moves at a quicker pace. If everyone is taking an extra day or two throughout the war to do things, that's gonna add up to an extra month by the end of the tournament.


Sorry to be clear, I agree on a strict schedule for away teams joining, just not on the fact that all home invites should be accepted before exchange, simply sent. Clearly a home team invitation should not drag on and should certainly be accepted before the away team deadline.
Image
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class jetsetwilly
 
Posts: 515
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:31 am
Location: United Kingdom

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby eddie2 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:57 pm

Dako wrote:
josko.ri wrote:
Dako wrote:Yes, I saw that both clans thinks that's a silly rule but AKA is actually following it while KORT doesn't. That is what concerns me most.

In time of exchanging games in set 1, all 10 AKA's games had invites sent but no single game was joined by home team.

It is your false statement that AKA followed this rule while KORT did not. For me it is no wonder that you are following KORT everywhere trying to write something negative about us, even when your statements are false like this one =D>

There was no traction about batch 1 games so it passed me that AKA games were not filled on the moment. I cannot confirm this now and it has never been mentioned in the forums before. And don't make this personal josko, it is very low and just shows that you have no argument but coming down to name calling.



i will voice up to this one...

games were due by the 26th may i did not know this and it was not posted in the aka kort thread... bruce sent me the games in last few minutes of the 26th unsigned upto invites only.. bruce then asked me in live chat for aka games asap which i created them straight away and sent him them.... i then invited to both home and away games at same time on the night of the 27th i seen someone in live chat who had not signed upto a kort home game and asked if they were going to join (this was because i was sending aka players in the games pms to say game had started.) i was told they were waiting for aka members to join there home games first so they could get screen shots. (which fog rule was offered to them but refused.)
that is what i was complaining about in the first exchange it wasn't us both being late (due to lack of dates in the thread.) it was the fact that kort players were not signing up to games to get screen shots. by having last member join there home game....
on that day i told bruce if you are busy and need extra time drop me a pm before the due time... this he did not do he manipulated razorvich one hour before the deadline when invites had not been sent.. then today again bruce sent me games not completely signed up to.. so i visited live chat to give him the option to let me know.. (even though it was after the deadline.)
i then posted in the thread highlighting that there was no appology for being late on sending games fully signed upto..
and not even a pm to say sorry will have it done asap..

which he could of done then there would of been no drama instead he baits and flames me..
You really are a piece of work... Congrats you found 1 invite yet to be accepted. Want a cookie? Stop trying to cause BS and just play your games.


and you can check with nicky 15 i was not reporting them for breaking the rule until bruces post. i gave him the option to say sorry for not having it done. and you can ask nicky15 that one because i posted aka complaint the same min bruce posted his flame instead of sorry.

so who is the one in the wrong me for wanting a appology for kort showing up late again or kort for me highlighting it again...

thats enough from me anyway because really the rule should not be there if not being backed up. and players who highlight it are being punished. while players who break it are not.
User avatar
Major eddie2
 
Posts: 4262
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:56 am
Location: Southampton uk

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby josko.ri on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:07 pm

On the time when you submitted report that we broke rules because one slot of our home games were not joined (so you are handicapped that you cannot know our roster in that game?) KORT joined 10,75 games of batch 2 (9,75 from home set and 1 from tie breaker), while AKA joined their 10 home games. In this moment KORT joined all 10 home games and tie breaker, while You joined only your 10 home games. Isn't that unfair advantage given to AKA, that you know who you will play vs in tie breaker game while we do not know, so you can manage your team and time of joining according to your preferences while we cannot do it?

How it is fair that you can see 10,75 games of our roster, and we can see only 10 games of your roster? Why did not you asked for tie breaker to be joined (invites sent) at the same time, but you rather gained unfair advantage that you knew information of our tie breaker roster first while we did not know information of your roster for that game?

If you want to be picky, I can be also. We revealed to you 0,75 players of our roster MORE than you revealed to us in batch 2, and you complain that we got unfair advantage? Mr. Fairness2, If you want to be fair and equal to everyone, why you did not suggest that we send invites for tie breaker at the same time but you rather gained unfair advantage that you know our roster for that game before we know your roster?
Image
User avatar
Major josko.ri
 
Posts: 4865
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:18 pm
35631611102

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Vid_FISO on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:42 pm

What difference does it make as to WHO is playing in any given game? The bigger the ranks, the more points on offer!
User avatar
Major Vid_FISO
 
Posts: 1351
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:06 pm
Location: Hants

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby eddie2 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:17 pm

In this moment KORT joined all 10 home games and tie breaker, while You joined only your 10 home games. Isn't that unfair advantage given to AKA, that you know who you will play vs in tie breaker game while we do not know, so you can manage your team and time of joining according to your preferences while we cannot do it?


lets take this to the kort aka thread this does not need talked about here.
User avatar
Major eddie2
 
Posts: 4262
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:56 am
Location: Southampton uk

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Qwert on Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:21 am

i dont understand why games need to be split in two sets?
If we want to speed up tournament, then its better if bouth clans agree, that all 41 games be created in same time.
Image
NEW REVOLUTION-NEW RANKS PRESS THESE LINK viewtopic.php?f=471&t=47578&start=0
User avatar
Major Qwert
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 9262
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:07 pm
Location: VOJVODINA

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Nicky15 on Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:45 am

qwert wrote:i dont understand why games need to be split in two sets?
If we want to speed up tournament, then its better if bouth clans agree, that all 41 games be created in same time.


If both clans agreed. Then this would be fine.
Major Nicky15
 
Posts: 923
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:15 pm
Location: England

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby patrickaa317 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:43 pm

Looks like we'll be taking on KORT next round. Unfortunately TFFS will not be able to provide the banter thread that AKA has. Perhaps we can hire Eddie to watch the clock to the minute on all the games to ensure no major or minor infractions occur... :-$
taking a break from cc, will be back sometime in the future.
User avatar
Sergeant patrickaa317
 
Posts: 2269
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:10 pm

Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Foxglove on Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:59 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:Looks like we'll be taking on KORT next round. Unfortunately TFFS will not be able to provide the banter thread that AKA has. Perhaps we can hire Eddie to watch the clock to the minute on all the games to ensure no major or minor infractions occur... :-$


It's probably more to your benefit anyway to focus your efforts on your games instead of war thread posts. ;)

I can't imagine anyone actually inviting eddie to participate in their war thread, and I sincerely hope you don't do so when our match begins!
Brigadier Foxglove
 
Posts: 1308
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:05 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Complete Challenges

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users