CCup4 - TOFU vs ACE and KoRT vs TSM

[Chariot of Fire]

Coo, that's harsh for failing to start a thread. Where is the rule stipulating this, as I couldn't find it?

[josko.ri]

Yeah do not penalize them with forfeit. Isnt it their first CC4 offense in being late, for which only warning should be issued?

[Bruceswar]

How do we know RA was late? Could it be that ATL did not agree to the terms yet? Lets not place any blame yet?

[Qwert]

well i dont participiate in create rules, but beter rule its that for ever day of not create topic on time,, 1 game random with random selected players from CD.

[VioIet]

How do we know RA was late? Could it be that ATL did not agree to the terms yet? Lets not place any blame yet?

I sent both Atlantis and chemefreak a pm on August 11 concerning the war, and they never responded. No terms have been discussed or agreed as of yet. Atlantis has not contacted me, and chemefreak contacted me only today.

RA has not set up its thread against ATL for the RD of 16 despite being told to do so. RA has been issued a 1 game forfeit.

That is incorrect. You tell me today, while I am offline, and then 7 hours later, issue a forfeit, while I am still offline. You should have responded to my original pm. I suggested to start this war 3 days early, which I feel was generous. My other alternative was 2 days later. A simple yes or no could've sufficed. But I heard nothing from chemefreak or Atlantis. Chemefreak only contacted me today and Atlantis still hasn't.

So I will go ahead and make this thread that has no terms.

If Atlantis ends up winning this war by 1 point or so, they will know that they have not really won.

[Armandolas]

This looks like a "punishment" from RA "bad behaviour" in NCC. Also looks an excessive punishment.(im my humble opinion)
Question: punishment based on rules or someones flair?

[BoganGod]

Coo, that's harsh for failing to start a thread. Where is the rule stipulating this, as I couldn't find it?

RA was warned after their recent goings on in not joining games in the current Clan War. A pretty unequivocal pm was sent by clan management stating the expectations, times and penalties if time management skills were not improved...... As the higher ranked clan RA has responsibility for the clan thread. Atlantis has our games and team allocation ready to roll. If Atlantis can do that with 1 clan leader surely RA can with two. RA was aware of the expectations of the tournament organiser, and the penalties.

This is not a surprise to Atlantis, and I'm just saddened that RA pulled this again. I don't want to inflame the situation or give anyone reason to try and paint themselves as a victim. So I won't say much more on the subject. I'll just point out that lack of communication skills is not a problem that the leadership/leader/senior players of Atlantis suffer from. Genoke answers and reads pm's that he receives. He is our official contact for this challenge.

Now on the challenge.

[BoganGod]

This looks like a "punishment" from RA "bad behaviour" in NCC. Also looks an excessive punishment.(im my humble opinion)
Question: punishment based on rules or someones flair?

RA was clearly notified that they had to work on their time management, and that there were penalties involved for failure to comply. They have known the timing of this challenge and their responsibility for running this thread for a long time. Not a case of "oh by the way you need to do this tomorrow". More than adequate timing, lee way, and consultation. Generous allowances even.

[VioIet]

RA was warned after their recent goings on in not joining games in the current Clan War. A pretty unequivocal pm was sent by clan management stating the expectations, times and penalties if time management skills were not improved.

I have no clue what you are talking about here. What warning and what pm? Who was it sent by and when?

roll. If Atlantis can do that with 1 clan leader surely RA can with two. RA was aware of the expectations of the tournament organiser, and the penalties.

RA only has one leader, and that is me. I appointed Janomike as co-leader about a year ago, but he doesn't do anything administrative. It is more for moral support and to always have a secondary contact.

I'll just point out that lack of communication skills is not a problem that the leadership/leader/senior players of Atlantis suffer from. Genoke answers and reads pm's that he receives. He is our official contact for this challenge.

If this is true, then why has no one from Atlantis pm'd me. If Genoke is the contact, then he should've pm'd me by now. He also should've answered the pm I sent him two weeks ago. Atlantis has failed to communicate, so I don't know how you say that lack of communication skills is not a problem for Atlantis.

RA was clearly notified that they had to work on their time management, and that there were penalties involved for failure to comply. They have known the timing of this challenge and their responsibility for running this thread for a long time. Not a case of "oh by the way you need to do this tomorrow". More than adequate timing, lee way, and consultation. Generous allowances even.

Your post shows that you do not understand the situation. Not once did we receive any such pm that you are describing. And if you are aware of such pm, then you should send it to me, so that I can see this for myself. You are making up things Bogan.

Yes, I have known about this challenge and my responsibility of running this thread. Which is exactly why I sent a pm to Genoke and chemefreak concerning the details of this war. I sent the pm the very day that chemefreak initially contacted me. I waited for two weeks for a reply and never received one. As I will say for the umpteenth time, Genoke has never contacted me regarding CC4.

[josko.ri]

RA was warned after their recent goings on in not joining games in the current Clan War. A pretty unequivocal pm was sent by clan management stating the expectations, times and penalties if time management skills were not improved.

I have no clue what you are talking about here. What warning and what pm? Who was it sent by and when?

Yes, I have known about this challenge and my responsibility of running this thread. Which is exactly why I sent a pm to Genoke and chemefreak concerning the details of this war. I sent the pm the very day that chemefreak initially contacted me. I waited for two weeks for a reply and never received one. As I will say for the umpteenth time, Genoke has never contacted me regarding CC4.

Bogan, if you state something WAS done and opponent clan does not have any clue about that, why not share that notification pm with the public and prove your statement, so everyone can see real information who is victim and who caused miscommunication? I know the best how is it to be the one who receive accusations in public forums towards myself without evidence, and believe me it is not great feeling, but if evidence is presented then accused side can have proof for what they are accused of. I think that is not a lot to ask from ATL, just copy-paste the pm with time label instead call them that they act like victims.

[Chariot of Fire]

How could you blame this lovely little face; it's the picture of innocence.

This is why I'm never selected for jury duty btw.

[BoganGod]

This is the last thing that I'll write on the subject. All those not involved enjoy your gossip and discussion. We could play he said/she said. This thread is not the appropriate place to handle this issue. If RA feels that they have been wronged they know how to and who to appeal/discuss/escalate this matter. The court of public appeal, often is sexist and weighted towards those that appear the most appealing. Discussion of an event where most of those doing the discussing don't have all the facts, and quite frankly don't need to read private correspondence is a wasted exercise. This is a matter for the leaders of RA and ATL and the organiser of CCup4. Airing of laundry dirty or otherwise is only to the benefit of peeping toms and those with overly prurient interests in other's business. I've expressed MY views on recent events, and speculated as to reasons(bear in mind, I'm not a clan leader), hopefully in a non combative, inflammatory or emotional fashion. Violet has articulated her truth as she experienced/sees it and versions of events. There are inconsistencies between our accounts. Often that happens in life, a different perspective is what makes us individuals not drones.

If anyone not a clan leader or member of RA or ATL, or the organiser of the Cup wishes to discuss this further. Might I suggest humbly that you start a thread in general or off topics and drop a link on my wall so I can watch the discussion with interest. I appreciate people's concern about penalties that don't appear to be specifically spelt out in the rules. I can understand that the action taken seemed abrupt, I believe that there was ample and clear discussion in private prior to the action. Again that is my personal belief, others involved may see things differently. Please take this up with the TO if you have a legitimate concern or complaint. I'm sure he will take the time to explain to you in more detail providing the other people concerned agree to having their privacy breached.

On a lighter note <wipes brow after such a sustained and uncharacteristic period of seriousness>

CoF I'll make sure to have some high end body work done before I meet you in person I hear freakns can put me on to a great priced breast augmentation surgeon. Maybe I'll ask Arama86n about lip tattoo options and check implants. Getting quite excited imagining a new more attractive me.

[Agent 86]

Bogan, post the PM please Genoke you better get on top of this before my Aussie friend makes a fool of himself and your clan

[Genoke]

To all the 'curiosi' and the 'like-to-be-heard ones'. Please stop spamming this thread!

I suggest to move the conversation to the RA vs ATL thread:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=441&t=193674

here you can find more information about the debacle...