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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby chapcrap on Thu May 30, 2013 6:27 pm

I'm not one to take the side of leadership if I think they are being unjust, so I feel like I can say, eddie, you're being a little paranoid with this one. How are they supposed to do anything about it if you don't tell them ahead of time? You didn't have to join the games. You didn't have to send invites until just now, today. So, that's on you really.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Draw Complete - Bracket Updated

Postby Rodion on Thu May 30, 2013 7:40 pm

eddie2 wrote:Game 12800218 rodion delayed signing up to the game to get a screen shot.
Game 12800220 same here.


I made my home games sunny so a snap would not be needed (you know, as you didn't want the 12-hour fog courtesy rule), but feel free to think whatever you want (hey, it's not like anyone respects your opinion anyway!).
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Draw Complete - Bracket Updated

Postby josko.ri on Thu May 30, 2013 8:08 pm

eddie2 wrote:see what i mean i was not going to act on this but your post calling tofu out for bad form just made me post this about bad form by yourselves. and sorry kort members for bringing this up but someone got to stop josko from saying how other clans are acting when kort are doing some things not allowed by the rules.

eddie, at first no need to sorry to us, if anyone has any problems with us I am glad it is brought to public so we can defend ourselves instead of being not said or said behind the scenes. I am not coward to hide behind our own wrongdoings, so I am glad you gave us chance to defend ourselves which I will do now.

eddie2 wrote:
Game 12800218 rodion delayed signing up to the game to get a screen shot.
Game 12800220 same here


Game 12800227 jane austin does it

Game 12800231extreme ways does it
Game 12800258 this one cowboy.


2 of those 5 games are sunny, and third one is Das Schloss where anyway troops do not meet in round 1 so snapshots taking and 12 hour rule really does not matter in those games.

Also, all those games are created 27th May in 14.00, and started 28th May from 00.56 to 6.30.

When games are sent, they must already be created and fully joined by the home team. I should be copied in the private message sending each clans home games.


I interpret this rule on the way that invites need to be sent before away clan receives games, so away clan can have information about maps/settings and players who are playing in those games. That means that all the games will be joined in next 24 hours of time of exchanging games, what we did in every of those games, the latest game is joined in 16.30 hours after game creation.
To be precise, here is chronological order of games creation/joining:

May 27, 14.00: KORT home games created and all invites sent to KORT players
+ 3.30 hours: AKA home games created
between this timeframe games were exchanged
+ 4.40 hours: Bruce posting AKA home games in KORT forum
between this timeframe AKA filled some away games
+ 16.30 hours: last KORT home invite accepted

So, KORT invites were sent immediately after game creation, as well as AKA's invites, with difference that AKA games were created 3.30 hours LATER.

We accepted our invites in next 16.30 hours. It is required to be online once in 24 hours so there is nothing wrong with that. Our players accepted their invite the first time after they logged in that day. So, if someone is guilty that home team joined second is AKA, because you joined some of your away games in less than 12 hours after game exchanging. You have deadline 5 days to do it, so if the fact who will join our home games first really worries you so much, you could wait those maximal 24 hours for us to accept our invites and then join away set. The fact that you did not do so, but were intentionally rushed with inviting your team to join games in order that you can accuse us later, the fact that you collected all that into your mobile snapshots, the fact that you wasted so much time writing your long accusing posts plus several posts about that to KORT clan leaders, are telling enough about your motives, they are not my writing about TOFU, but are your intention to make trouble where trouble does not exist. =D>

P.S. I read that chemefreak pointed that games need to be already joined on time of exchanging games. That is not logical, because it means that away team could see the games one day before exchanging date, which is time from creating games to being fully joined. Every clan is creating games immediately before exchanging them and sending invites, which means it needs additional 24 hours for them to be fully joined.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Draw Complete - Bracket Updated

Postby chemefreak on Thu May 30, 2013 8:11 pm

josko.ri wrote:P.S. I read that chemefreak pointed that games need to be already joined on time of exchanging games. That is not logical, because it means that away team could see the games one day before exchanging date, which is time from creating games to being fully joined. Every clan is creating games immediately before exchanging them and sending invites, which means it needs additional 24 hours for them to be fully joined.


This is the rule. Fully joined.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Draw Complete - Bracket Updated

Postby josko.ri on Thu May 30, 2013 8:16 pm

chemefreak wrote:
josko.ri wrote:P.S. I read that chemefreak pointed that games need to be already joined on time of exchanging games. That is not logical, because it means that away team could see the games one day before exchanging date, which is time from creating games to being fully joined. Every clan is creating games immediately before exchanging them and sending invites, which means it needs additional 24 hours for them to be fully joined.


This is the rule. Fully joined.

I think you are wrong. We in KORT have around 15 clan wars played in CCup in past, which is more than any other clan player. That rule was always written the same, and always was done that home invites needed to be sent on the time of exchanging games.

However, if you want proceed with that rule, AKA also did not have all their home games joined on the time of exchanging games with KORT. Their games were made just 1 hour before exchanging games with us. (see the chronological timeframe described in previous post)
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Draw Complete - Bracket Updated

Postby chemefreak on Thu May 30, 2013 8:21 pm

josko.ri wrote:
chemefreak wrote:
josko.ri wrote:P.S. I read that chemefreak pointed that games need to be already joined on time of exchanging games. That is not logical, because it means that away team could see the games one day before exchanging date, which is time from creating games to being fully joined. Every clan is creating games immediately before exchanging them and sending invites, which means it needs additional 24 hours for them to be fully joined.


This is the rule. Fully joined.

I think you are wrong. We in KORT have around 15 clan wars played in CCup in past, which is more than any other clan player. That rule was always written the same, and always was done that home invites needed to be sent on the time of exchanging games.

However, if you want proceed with that rule, AKA also did not have all their home games joined on the time of exchanging games with KORT. Their games were made just 1 hour before exchanging games with us. (see the chronological timeframe described in previous post)


This is the rule:

"When games are sent, they must already be created and fully joined by the home team. Once home games are sent, the away clan has 5 full days to fill the games. If your opponent is late on either sending/joining home games or joining games please notify the CD's immediately. There will be some leniency on running late, we will work out a date with the clans involved and set a date that games must be sent/joined by. If a clan is still late in sending/joining home games or joining games they will forfeit 1 game per day late."

Clan Leaders should actually be creating and inviting their players more than 24 hours before the deadline so that if one is declined or expires they can get the spot filled before the exchange.

This shouldn't be much of an issue as most clans wait several days before filling the exchanged games. So even if an invite is pending when the exchange is made, there really isn't any advantage caused. Again, the other clan should let us CDs know (hopefully after reaching out to the other clan) and, at the very least, waiting for the other clan to fully join before sending invites to its own players. Of course, someone has to complain about it for it to be an issue.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby josko.ri on Thu May 30, 2013 10:03 pm

Another argument why TOFU should be eliminated from CC4 is their current involvement in CC4 compared to their involvement in CL5:

CC4: As for now, the only their involvement is taking first seed in draw, as they did not play any game yet.
CL5: As for now, their involvement is both taking seed in draw, AND eliminating someone. Premier League has 11 clans instead of 12 which would have if TOFU did not screw the format so one clan is eliminated because of their messing up.

So, If TOFU has time for playing in one of those 2 competitions but not in both, then CL5 is more logical choice because there their involvement in this moment is much deeper than in CC4. The reason that they decided to move out from competition where they already eliminated someone and continue in competition which they did not even start yet, shows enough about how reliable they are. I think we should not allow one clan, which in addition already has troublemaking history and already has one withdraw in ACC1, to make jokes about major clan tournaments, and risk their withdrawing from CC4 as well. Better eliminate them now, than risk they screw up the whole tournament in later stage.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby ljex on Thu May 30, 2013 10:13 pm

josko.ri wrote:Another argument why TOFU should be eliminated from CC4 is their current involvement in CC4 compared to their involvement in CL5:

CC4: As for now, the only their involvement is taking first seed in draw, as they did not play any game yet.
CL5: As for now, their involvement is both taking seed in draw, AND eliminating someone. Premier League has 11 clans instead of 12 which would have if TOFU did not screw the format so one clan is eliminated because of their messing up.

So, If TOFU has time for playing in one of those 2 competitions but not in both, then CL5 is more logical choice because there their involvement in this moment is much deeper than in CC4. The reason that they decided to move out from competition where they already eliminated someone and continue in competition which they did not even start yet, shows enough about how reliable they are. I think we should not allow one clan, which in addition already has troublemaking history and already has one withdraw in ACC1, to make jokes about major clan tournaments, and risk their withdrawing from CC4 as well. Better eliminate them now, than risk they screw up the whole tournament in later stage.


Give it a rest, why do you care what TOFU does?

They should have a right to choose what competitions they join and is there any harm in that?
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby josko.ri on Thu May 30, 2013 10:17 pm

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josko.ri wrote:Another argument why TOFU should be eliminated from CC4 is their current involvement in CC4 compared to their involvement in CL5:

CC4: As for now, the only their involvement is taking first seed in draw, as they did not play any game yet.
CL5: As for now, their involvement is both taking seed in draw, AND eliminating someone. Premier League has 11 clans instead of 12 which would have if TOFU did not screw the format so one clan is eliminated because of their messing up.

So, If TOFU has time for playing in one of those 2 competitions but not in both, then CL5 is more logical choice because there their involvement in this moment is much deeper than in CC4. The reason that they decided to move out from competition where they already eliminated someone and continue in competition which they did not even start yet, shows enough about how reliable they are. I think we should not allow one clan, which in addition already has troublemaking history and already has one withdraw in ACC1, to make jokes about major clan tournaments, and risk their withdrawing from CC4 as well. Better eliminate them now, than risk they screw up the whole tournament in later stage.


Give it a rest, why do you care what TOFU does?

They should have a right to choose what competitions they join and is there any harm in that?

Yes there is harm in that. KORT signed up for competition that will have 12 clans in Premier Division, and now it will be 11 clans. That is not what we signed up for, and all because of TOFU. The same can happen in CC4. We signed up to play in competition where we will have opponent in R32 R16, quarterfinals, semifinals and finals. I do not want that for example finals will be awarded to us as a bye because TOFU may decide they are not anymore able to compete and withdraw from finals, nor I want that we need to hard fight to progress from semifinals to finals while clan from the other part of draw maybe gets this progress by default if their opponents TOFU withdraw.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby chemefreak on Thu May 30, 2013 10:54 pm

TOFU will participate in CCup4. No more discussions about this here. The next post regarding this gets this thread locked and the poster (and possibly their clan) a nice little punishment (tbd). Thanks.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby ljex on Thu May 30, 2013 11:01 pm

chemefreak wrote:TOFU will participate in CCup4. No more discussions about this here. The next post regarding this gets this thread locked and the poster (and possibly their clan) a nice little punishment (tbd). Thanks.


Abuse of powers much? To punish an entire clan for the actions of an individual would be so far beyond a fair punishment.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby chemefreak on Thu May 30, 2013 11:04 pm

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chemefreak wrote:TOFU will participate in CCup4. No more discussions about this here. The next post regarding this gets this thread locked and the poster (and possibly their clan) a nice little punishment (tbd). Thanks.


Abuse of powers much? To punish an entire clan for the actions of an individual would be so far beyond a fair punishment.


And we have a winner! Mocking Moderators is always the best thing to do :roll:

We will be in touch with your prize soon.

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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby eddie2 on Fri May 31, 2013 4:35 pm

ok let me breack down what has happened trying not to slag of the clan mod side..

Rodion wrote:
eddie2 wrote:Game 12800218 rodion delayed signing up to the game to get a screen shot.
Game 12800220 same here.


I made my home games sunny so a snap would not be needed (you know, as you didn't want the 12-hour fog courtesy rule), but feel free to think whatever you want (hey, it's not like anyone respects your opinion anyway!).


i can agree with this or disagree with this. getting a snap shot at the beginning of a game means you can see what opening move was made if i have 3 and deploy 3 then have perfect dice and fort 3 and 3 then you did not see the move i made. so obviously you wont have a rough idea of our game plan.

[quote= josko]2 of those 5 games are sunny, and third one is Das Schloss where anyway troops do not meet in round 1 so snapshots taking and 12 hour rule really does not matter in those games. [/quote]

maybe but see my above post. and i will admit that das dont really count but with the bad form i will post later it needs to be added.
I interpret this rule on the way that invites need to be sent before away clan receives games, so away clan can have information about maps/settings and players who are playing in those games.


i one hundred percent agree with this and is how i read it and the reason i sent bruce aka games without players being signed up. but please remember bruceswar was the one who set the rules because he was head clan mod at the time so he new he was breaching the rules with what he done.

also think i prefer different set dates for different clans and 1 thing i tried to introduce was in a clan war clan a sends there games first in set one then clan b signs up then then in set 2 clan b sends the games clan a signs up and sends games to clan b. this takes what you are saying out of the equation because i did actually offer this via live chat where bruce posted then posted after without response.

as for times games were sent i wont go into that. because they are to few and far between the times you are saying.(meaning i cannot be arsed checking it.)

[quote=josko]We accepted our invites in next 16.30 hours. It is required to be online once in 24 hours so there is nothing wrong with that. Our players accepted their invite the first time after they logged in that day.[/quote]

ok lets look at this..

well lets not a couple of drinks and i cannot be arsed to sort out games and times to get a response of you posted the wrong time slot when there is valid times/dates to follow up what i am saying to disprove what you have just said.

now lets get onto the war thread...

facts.....
clan moderation would keep an eye on all threads to make sure they were following the rules.

so please tell my why they pulled up tnc ace (leehars clan) to follow the war threads rule of posting exchange dates but did not do the same to the kort aka thread. you can say a simple slip but i am sorry they would of been following that thread to see what was being posted because of my reputation, and to pull a clan off the radar for something that could of been said we did not follow it would of been accepted cannot be accepted for this war.

rules where in place rules your clans organizer for this event was the person in charge of posting finalizing and making sure the rules were fair for the event actually broke them all so this breach should be made a example of not just a warning because all that has been done here is that if any other clan breaks it they can say well you didnt punish kort for it. So really the rules mean jack and are really there to support the more favoured clans that the organizers want to support in this event.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby chemefreak on Fri May 31, 2013 8:56 pm

Eddie, your argument is stupid. Please shut up. The games you are railing about were SUNNY...read a log for god's sake. Also, if you want strategy...wait a day or two to invite your players...

Are you kidding me?


THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT THREAD.

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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby jj3044 on Fri May 31, 2013 9:43 pm

Weren't we locking this thread? I can't take any more of these awful posts!

Geezus give it a rest!
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby chemefreak on Fri May 31, 2013 9:50 pm

jj3044 wrote:Weren't we locking this thread? I can't take any more of these awful posts!

Geezus give it a rest!


I locked it for like 20 hours. I think people write stupid shit in a word document and then cut and paste it right when a thread gets unlocked. Just a theory I have.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby jj3044 on Fri May 31, 2013 9:53 pm

chemefreak wrote:
jj3044 wrote:Weren't we locking this thread? I can't take any more of these awful posts!

Geezus give it a rest!


I locked it for like 20 hours. I think people write stupid shit in a word document and then cut and paste it right when a thread gets unlocked. Just a theory I have.

lol fair enough. :lol:
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri May 31, 2013 10:28 pm

chemefreak wrote:
jj3044 wrote:Weren't we locking this thread? I can't take any more of these awful posts!

Geezus give it a rest!


I locked it for like 20 hours. I think people write stupid shit in a word document and then cut and paste it right when a thread gets unlocked. Just a theory I have.


:lol: - I love the image this conjures up.
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby DJPatrick on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:15 am

Kort V AKA...after waiting don't know how many days for Kort guys to turn up for a quads game, their invitation has now time expired,,,mods: forfeit this game from them...if you allow further time for them to get their shiyte in a pile, I will also withdraw and you guys will be at fault...as it is they're using high clan ranking to manipulate this and have been allowed to run rampant so far...do you really have a defined role here> If so, use it and penalize these arrogant bums. :twisted:
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Re: CCup4 Main Thread - Ongoing

Postby DJPatrick on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:27 am

Soz for the re-post:...don't forfeit THIS ONE...let the penalty fit the crime...it's AKA's Clan organizers who get to choose which game is forfeited so let them...let this one stand...I only entered coz I wanted a game anyway and still wana kick some Kort butt :lol:
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Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby Cheesydave on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:00 pm

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AQOH - HH currently standing at 20 apiece, I'll be honest it's getting pretty tense over here :P

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Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby benga on Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:57 am

Is the title a joke or what?
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Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby IcePack on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:02 am

benga wrote:Is the title a joke or what?


No that's the way they wrote the new rules
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Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby benga on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:25 am

IcePack wrote:
benga wrote:Is the title a joke or what?


No that's the way they wrote the new rules


It's always been like this, well apart from KORT, but they have their own set of rules. :D
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Re: CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

Postby josko.ri on Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:50 am

IcePack wrote:
benga wrote:Is the title a joke or what?


No that's the way they wrote the new rules

The rules were always written like that and always interpreted that invites need to be sent on the time of game exchange. Rules are still written the same but interpretation from new CDs are different.
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