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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby QuikSilver on Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:49 pm

The schedule for round 2 is certainly change, when does it will start?
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:36 am

QuikSilver wrote:The schedule for round 2 is certainly change, when does it will start?


You guys are welcome to start as soon as you can!! We are just waiting for the RA vs TLW war to finish their war to see who will play ATL in the 2nd round
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby VioIet on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:20 am

It will probably be about two weeks until there is a clear winner. RA and TLW are both creating their Batch 2 games right now, and half of the Batch 1 games are already over. Only Atlantis will be delayed, but they don't mind.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby The_Samurai on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:30 am

Thread for the war RET vs HH has been created. Privs request posted as well.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Keefie on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:48 am

The_Samurai wrote:Thread for the war RET vs HH has been created. Privs request posted as well.


I really don't know why we're bothering with a war, it's just a formality.

Who do HH play in the semi-final ?
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby kuma32478 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:51 am

Legion and AQoH have already started round 2. You guys are slow.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby conde180711 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:53 am

Keefie wrote:
The_Samurai wrote:Thread for the war RET vs HH has been created. Privs request posted as well.


I really don't know why we're bothering with a war, it's just a formality.

Who do HH play in the semi-final ?


ha ha poor keefie, hes still in a daze from the last beating :lol:
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby NoSurvivors on Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:54 am

Keefie wrote:
The_Samurai wrote:Thread for the war RET vs HH has been created. Privs request posted as well.


I really don't know why we're bothering with a war, it's just a formality.

Who do HH play in the semi-final ?


:lol: don't you dare go losing after a comment like that! GL round 2 HH
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:41 am

VioIet wrote:Only Atlantis will be delayed, but they don't mind.

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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:08 am

Scores have been updated!!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Razorvich on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:15 am

AKA Vs LHDD is now finished.
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Good luck in the second round LHDD
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:23 pm

Scores have been updated!!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:29 am

Scores have been updated!!! RA has won against TLW in the 1st Round.

If RA and ATL would like to get their war going whenever that would be great!!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:17 am

mcshanester29 wrote:Scores have been updated!!! RA has won against TLW in the 1st Round.

If RA and ATL would like to get their war going whenever that would be great!!

We started communication about it. ;)
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:20 am

Genoke wrote:
mcshanester29 wrote:Scores have been updated!!! RA has won against TLW in the 1st Round.

If RA and ATL would like to get their war going whenever that would be great!!

We started communication about it. ;)


Perfect!! :)
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:54 am

Scores have been updated!!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:58 pm

what happens when games aren't filled after 8 days? (3 games we're speaking of)
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:16 pm

Genoke wrote:what happens when games aren't filled after 8 days? (3 games we're speaking of)


There is no rule written on games not being filled (will definitely look at putting it in the next newcomers cup).

I will pm RA and see if that will get them going!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby BoganGod on Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:34 am

mcshanester29 wrote:
Genoke wrote:what happens when games aren't filled after 8 days? (3 games we're speaking of)


There is no rule written on games not being filled (will definitely look at putting it in the next newcomers cup).

I will pm RA and see if that will get them going!


Not good enough mate. would be nice if you ran the show, maybe organised the tournament.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:30 am

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chemefreak wrote:This is a private tournament so the TO will need to be consulted here (which I think he has been).

Neither the rules of this war nor the rules of the tournament provide how long a clan has to join games. This is something that could have been negotiated between the clans but was not. At this point, although it is completely up to the TO, the CD Team would not encourage forfeits (as our policy is to avoid them at all costs).

As an aside, RA should get the games joined asap and should probably not be waiting for players on vacation. Also, if the games expire, as suggested by VioIet earlier, a forfeit would probably be the appropriate sanction.

Thank you for getting in here quickly chemefreak and clarifying a few things. Sadly tournament organiser is not able/willing to step in and make a decision. Or hasn't been to date. Would it be possible to either have this thread moved to tournaments if it is not clan department sanctioned, or for clan mods to help mc, maybe he has real life issues. Running a tournament and letting the person who says no the most dictate terms is not right. Could that be a new policy
being rolled out.
Just saying.


So unlike some people I do have a real life and yes I do volunteer on here, so just because its been over 12hrs for me to respond doesn't mean I can't run it. Instead of quoting everyone here is what I am going to say.

@BG - I don't even know you and didn't realize that you were a leader in ATL. No I don't need help from the CD''s because I had a busy day and just because I haven't said anything doesn't mean that inaction is a decision. If my busy day has inconvenienced you then by all means feel free not to participate in an event that I run. Should there be a rule on when games should be made? It wasn't stated in the NC4 rules as this is supposed to be a little more relaxed tournament as was stated in the signup thread. Yes maybe I should have made a game exchange rules but your leaders didn't think of it either as this point is clearly stated - " Clans will work out all other details between themselves (who is running the war thread and in how many sets are the games being played)" and you didn't put any dates on when the 2nd set will start. Just saying

@Vioiet - I agree that is a long time for games to be filled - most wars games are filled within just a few days and never usually more than a week. Since ATL doesn't want to wait any longer then these games need to be filled within 24hrs.

@chemefreak - thanks for stating the CD's position and letting this be worked out.

@everyone else - Due to clans not being able to work this kind of stuff out the next NCC will probably have a games exchange rule.

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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Gunn217 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:26 am

shane,
Although my clan didn't enter this cup I appreciate what you've done. Don't let the infantile bitching and moaning of a few idiots get you down.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:44 pm

@ Mcshane,
thank you for making a decision. I know running a tourney certainly doesn't goes smooth all the time. Every now and then something happens, you didn't calculated in the rules (yet).
I've read the rules of this tourney before we entered and yeah, i didn't thought of this kind of problem either. First time i get in touch with it. Must be the unexperience of being a clan leader for only 5 months.
Normally i'm easy going, but 12-14 days is way over the line (my opinion). If we didn't act, what could be next...we have to hold the borders to keep all the tourney's as straight as we can, so no more surprises.

I very appreciate the work you're doing and i hope you keep running tourney's like this. Makes more fun for the clan world! =D> =D>

@Violet,
Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but sometimes a clan is in a position, where things doesn't work out the way you like it. These are the situations to look deeper and try to prevent from happening again.
I'll suggest to keep at least 1 sitter in your clan for every clan member, so if someone is on vacation or something bad would happen in real life, things still can go on at this site and in games.
I understand your situation and i feel sorry for your clan, but i do hope you understand our/the situation on the other side too.
If we don't keep our line on the borders, in a short time they will expand those borders, where you can't see them anymore. (don't know if that's good english though)
Maybe next time when an opposing clan doesn't like a map, they'll ask to change it? We have to drawn a line somewhere...

Let's hope this issue doesn't infect the further going of our clan war.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby VioIet on Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:12 pm

Genoke wrote:
@Violet,
Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but sometimes a clan is in a position, where things doesn't work out the way you like it. These are the situations to look deeper and try to prevent from happening again.
I'll suggest to keep at least 1 sitter in your clan for every clan member, so if someone is on vacation or something bad would happen in real life, things still can go on at this site and in games.
I understand your situation and i feel sorry for your clan, but i do hope you understand our/the situation on the other side too.
If we don't keep our line on the borders, in a short time they will expand those borders, where you can't see them anymore. (don't know if that's good english though)
Maybe next time when an opposing clan doesn't like a map, they'll ask to change it? We have to drawn a line somewhere...


We do have a sitter for every member. The problem wasn't that we were without a sitter. It's that I can't actually send my player the invite without him physically being there. That's against the rules. Had he left just one day later, I could've sent him the invite, and the sitters could've covered for him before he left. But he actually has to be the one to accept the clan invite. Of course I could have someone "pretend" to be him and accept it. No one would even know if I had done that. But I didn't want to do that. I actually do try to follow the rules.

I didn't find out he was leaving until I was actually in the middle of sending the invites, so I planned everything with him being there. With 11 active members, it's kinda hard to change things around, but I will do my best.

Also while I understand your concern about boundaries, I don't see how that thoroughly applies in this case. The unfilled games expire after 14 days, no matter what. Of course a clan can't change an opposing clan's home map. That's in the rules. This was not about trying to push the rules and stretch boundaries, but all because my player was not available. It's as simple as that.


Genoke wrote:Let's hope this issue doesn't infect the further going of our clan war.

It probably will, just for the fact that some of you guys jumped to assumptions and accused me of cheap tactics and things like that.
I no longer think highly of Atlantis as some of the tone of the dialogue was a bit unnecessary, imo. Don't expect RA to really be very chatty in this thread for the duration of this war.

Also, Genoke, you didn't seem to mind the slower games when we played against TLW. But now that we play against ATL, you suddenly mind. Remember this post from the NC4 thread:

Genoke wrote:
VioIet wrote:Only Atlantis will be delayed, but they don't mind.

agreed!
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Postby conde180711 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:04 pm

all because my player was not available. It's as simple as that.


surely it should be as simple as that then, your player is not available? ;)
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