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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:54 am

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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:58 pm

what happens when games aren't filled after 8 days? (3 games we're speaking of)
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:16 pm

Genoke wrote:what happens when games aren't filled after 8 days? (3 games we're speaking of)


There is no rule written on games not being filled (will definitely look at putting it in the next newcomers cup).

I will pm RA and see if that will get them going!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby BoganGod on Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:34 am

mcshanester29 wrote:
Genoke wrote:what happens when games aren't filled after 8 days? (3 games we're speaking of)


There is no rule written on games not being filled (will definitely look at putting it in the next newcomers cup).

I will pm RA and see if that will get them going!


Not good enough mate. would be nice if you ran the show, maybe organised the tournament.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby mcshanester29 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:30 am

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chemefreak wrote:This is a private tournament so the TO will need to be consulted here (which I think he has been).

Neither the rules of this war nor the rules of the tournament provide how long a clan has to join games. This is something that could have been negotiated between the clans but was not. At this point, although it is completely up to the TO, the CD Team would not encourage forfeits (as our policy is to avoid them at all costs).

As an aside, RA should get the games joined asap and should probably not be waiting for players on vacation. Also, if the games expire, as suggested by VioIet earlier, a forfeit would probably be the appropriate sanction.

Thank you for getting in here quickly chemefreak and clarifying a few things. Sadly tournament organiser is not able/willing to step in and make a decision. Or hasn't been to date. Would it be possible to either have this thread moved to tournaments if it is not clan department sanctioned, or for clan mods to help mc, maybe he has real life issues. Running a tournament and letting the person who says no the most dictate terms is not right. Could that be a new policy
being rolled out.
Just saying.


So unlike some people I do have a real life and yes I do volunteer on here, so just because its been over 12hrs for me to respond doesn't mean I can't run it. Instead of quoting everyone here is what I am going to say.

@BG - I don't even know you and didn't realize that you were a leader in ATL. No I don't need help from the CD''s because I had a busy day and just because I haven't said anything doesn't mean that inaction is a decision. If my busy day has inconvenienced you then by all means feel free not to participate in an event that I run. Should there be a rule on when games should be made? It wasn't stated in the NC4 rules as this is supposed to be a little more relaxed tournament as was stated in the signup thread. Yes maybe I should have made a game exchange rules but your leaders didn't think of it either as this point is clearly stated - " Clans will work out all other details between themselves (who is running the war thread and in how many sets are the games being played)" and you didn't put any dates on when the 2nd set will start. Just saying

@Vioiet - I agree that is a long time for games to be filled - most wars games are filled within just a few days and never usually more than a week. Since ATL doesn't want to wait any longer then these games need to be filled within 24hrs.

@chemefreak - thanks for stating the CD's position and letting this be worked out.

@everyone else - Due to clans not being able to work this kind of stuff out the next NCC will probably have a games exchange rule.

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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Gunn217 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:26 am

shane,
Although my clan didn't enter this cup I appreciate what you've done. Don't let the infantile bitching and moaning of a few idiots get you down.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:44 pm

@ Mcshane,
thank you for making a decision. I know running a tourney certainly doesn't goes smooth all the time. Every now and then something happens, you didn't calculated in the rules (yet).
I've read the rules of this tourney before we entered and yeah, i didn't thought of this kind of problem either. First time i get in touch with it. Must be the unexperience of being a clan leader for only 5 months.
Normally i'm easy going, but 12-14 days is way over the line (my opinion). If we didn't act, what could be next...we have to hold the borders to keep all the tourney's as straight as we can, so no more surprises.

I very appreciate the work you're doing and i hope you keep running tourney's like this. Makes more fun for the clan world! =D> =D>

@Violet,
Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but sometimes a clan is in a position, where things doesn't work out the way you like it. These are the situations to look deeper and try to prevent from happening again.
I'll suggest to keep at least 1 sitter in your clan for every clan member, so if someone is on vacation or something bad would happen in real life, things still can go on at this site and in games.
I understand your situation and i feel sorry for your clan, but i do hope you understand our/the situation on the other side too.
If we don't keep our line on the borders, in a short time they will expand those borders, where you can't see them anymore. (don't know if that's good english though)
Maybe next time when an opposing clan doesn't like a map, they'll ask to change it? We have to drawn a line somewhere...

Let's hope this issue doesn't infect the further going of our clan war.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby VioIet on Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:12 pm

Genoke wrote:
@Violet,
Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but sometimes a clan is in a position, where things doesn't work out the way you like it. These are the situations to look deeper and try to prevent from happening again.
I'll suggest to keep at least 1 sitter in your clan for every clan member, so if someone is on vacation or something bad would happen in real life, things still can go on at this site and in games.
I understand your situation and i feel sorry for your clan, but i do hope you understand our/the situation on the other side too.
If we don't keep our line on the borders, in a short time they will expand those borders, where you can't see them anymore. (don't know if that's good english though)
Maybe next time when an opposing clan doesn't like a map, they'll ask to change it? We have to drawn a line somewhere...


We do have a sitter for every member. The problem wasn't that we were without a sitter. It's that I can't actually send my player the invite without him physically being there. That's against the rules. Had he left just one day later, I could've sent him the invite, and the sitters could've covered for him before he left. But he actually has to be the one to accept the clan invite. Of course I could have someone "pretend" to be him and accept it. No one would even know if I had done that. But I didn't want to do that. I actually do try to follow the rules.

I didn't find out he was leaving until I was actually in the middle of sending the invites, so I planned everything with him being there. With 11 active members, it's kinda hard to change things around, but I will do my best.

Also while I understand your concern about boundaries, I don't see how that thoroughly applies in this case. The unfilled games expire after 14 days, no matter what. Of course a clan can't change an opposing clan's home map. That's in the rules. This was not about trying to push the rules and stretch boundaries, but all because my player was not available. It's as simple as that.


Genoke wrote:Let's hope this issue doesn't infect the further going of our clan war.

It probably will, just for the fact that some of you guys jumped to assumptions and accused me of cheap tactics and things like that.
I no longer think highly of Atlantis as some of the tone of the dialogue was a bit unnecessary, imo. Don't expect RA to really be very chatty in this thread for the duration of this war.

Also, Genoke, you didn't seem to mind the slower games when we played against TLW. But now that we play against ATL, you suddenly mind. Remember this post from the NC4 thread:

Genoke wrote:
VioIet wrote:Only Atlantis will be delayed, but they don't mind.

agreed!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby conde180711 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:04 pm

all because my player was not available. It's as simple as that.


surely it should be as simple as that then, your player is not available? ;)
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby chemefreak on Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:48 pm

I think everyone has lost sight of what the NCCup is all about. It was tournament for new and lower ranked clans to cut their teeth. There are no strict guidelines built into the rules because there is supposed to be a lot of flexibility for these types of clans. It is a relaxed event. Now, there is an opportunity for two more experienced clans to negotiate rules that apply to their challenge only. If they fail to do so, they only have themselves to blame.

The treatment of the TO by members of Atlantis has been disgraceful. I was disgusted by some of the private messages and posts I have seen from certain players. The TO in this competition has been doing a great job. He has selflessly volunteered his time to make this competition happen. TOs should, AT ALL TIMES, be treated with respect and appreciated for their contributions to this site and to the clan community.

Thank you MC for contributing your time and efforts to this site and to clans.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby Genoke on Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:42 pm

VioIet wrote:Also, Genoke, you didn't seem to mind the slower games when we played against TLW. But now that we play against ATL, you suddenly mind. Remember this post from the NC4 thread:

Genoke wrote:
VioIet wrote:Only Atlantis will be delayed, but they don't mind.

agreed!

That sentence counted for the start of the war, not for waiting for weeks to join the games. Don't take it out the context please!
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby VioIet on Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:59 am

Genoke wrote:That sentence counted for the start of the war, not for waiting for weeks to join the games. Don't take it out the context please!



In that case you weren't aware of what you were agreeing to. The war was already half-way over when you wrote that post on June 18. I can't find it right now, but I also remember saying something to the effect of "don't worry, take your time," when I said, "maybe we should speed this up a little." I think it may have been pm, but I'm not sure. It was awhile ago. I assumed the reason was because you were playing Fallen and FISO at the time, but I can't really make that assumption.

The start was delayed as both Theldin and I had some confusion about the privileges and how to go about that. MC helped us sort that out. But we also agreed to be flexible with the invites, often taking up to 12-13 days. I guess you didn't realize that. Once the games were joined and played- it progressed quickly.

I agree with chemefreak and Mc that both RA and Atlantis should've discussed preferred deadlines for sending out the invites. I've found their posts about this particular matter to be very reasonable.
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Re: [NC4] Newcomers Cup 4 - Round 1

Postby HardAttack on Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:00 am

bogangod, enough!!!
i m truely pissed now :x
please stop sending disgusting private messages and posts, ok ?

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