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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby reptile on Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:11 am

jpcloet wrote:Updated first post to reflect change in pre-order deadlines to 2 weeks prior and inclusion of random default.


nice....low is still talking it over
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby pearljamrox2 on Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:16 am

Dynasty would like to join the league
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby pmchugh on Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:30 am

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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Dako on Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:09 am

I think Nuke is an awesome mode and we shall allow. While manual is a bit different, I think it is better to forbid Manual.

But I am all for Nuke games. Also, 2 weeks in advance for games is an ok for me.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Night Strike on Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:59 am

jpcloet wrote:Sounds like people would rather have more flexibility. The game creators need more time so how about we do 2 weeks and penalty being random like Season 2?


Much improved call. Many thanks.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby lokisgal on Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:56 am

IA is discussing this - will get back in a couple of days
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby josko.ri on Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:21 pm

jpcloet wrote:Challenge Settings
  • 4 Quadruples - Clan's Choice of Settings
  • 3 Triples - Clan's Choice of Settings
  • 2 Doubles - Clan's Choice of Settings
That means there are now 29 spots to fill, rather than 22. However, there are also less overall games.

you made poll asking how many total games we want and lot of players said 3-3-3 also. if you count how many of them said 4-3-2 and how many of them said 3-3-3, you wouldnt count big difference.


jpcloet wrote:[*]The top 2 Clans in each division will be sent to the bracket playoffs
[*]Playoffs and relegation will be a 8Q-7T-4D with each side choosing 4Q-3T-2D as described below as the regular season format. The additional triples map is currently being voted on in the CLA and will be Esc-Chained-Sunny.


again the same situation (about playoff) like in season 2. is this league or cup? if this is league then it may be played like league not like cup. we already have conqueror's cup format for clans who like cup system, but this one is league, and I think it should be also ended like league. my suggestion is that 8 advancing clans former final league and again play each other home and away. imagine 8 top CC clan to play round robin league! that would be awesome and more fair that winner is decided on that way than classic playoff where winner is decided in ONLY 19 games. it would make the league longer only 4 sets of home and away games (currently 5+3 in playoff=8, and with that suggestion 5+7 in playoff= 12), but it would raise this league to much more competitive and funny format where winner would be decided in much more fair format than only 3*19 games.

anyway, for crucial things like 4-3-2 or 3-3-3 and playoff format, I think the best would be to give every team leader 1 vote for choosing the best solution and which solution gets the most votes it will be implemented.

and, I agree with Dako, nuking cards are awesome and give to tactics another dimension. it definitely should be allowed.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby jpcloet on Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:26 pm

Right now, the league will likely stay traditional and let the wars do/have the innovation. As for doing a second phased league, that was considered, however, we don't want to take the whole year to do the league and want teams to also do wars and also take part in the CCup. Clans end up doing 2 things at once for the key part of the year, and we don't want to overburden clans. 4-3-2 simply works better for the number of spots etc and some other calculations.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Dako on Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:50 pm

4-3-2, yay!

So is nuke allowed or not? Can we make a poll on it?
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby jpcloet on Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:57 pm

There is a poll in the CLA and right now, it appears that Nukes and Manual will not be allowed and I will finalize that decision tomorrow so that clans can decide on whether they are joining by the Friday deadline.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:07 pm

jpcloet wrote:There is a poll in the CLA and right now, it appears that Nukes and Manual will not be allowed and I will finalize that decision tomorrow so that clans can decide on whether they are joining by the Friday deadline.



Do you have a list of confirmed clans?
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby jpcloet on Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:17 pm

At home, there are 5 of the 16 automatic bids confirmed and 10 playins confirmed.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby josko.ri on Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:32 pm

jpcloet wrote:Right now, the league will likely stay traditional and let the wars do/have the innovation. As for doing a second phased league, that was considered, however, we don't want to take the whole year to do the league and want teams to also do wars and also take part in the CCup. Clans end up doing 2 things at once for the key part of the year, and we don't want to overburden clans. 4-3-2 simply works better for the number of spots etc and some other calculations.


it wouldnt make the league whole year, it would only extend it by 2 months, as you said that 2 weeks are between each round. so, September - May or June it would last, but we would get much more competitive and funny league both for watching and playing it.

jpcloet wrote:There is a poll in the CLA and right now, it appears that Nukes and Manual will not be allowed and I will finalize that decision tomorrow so that clans can decide on whether they are joining by the Friday deadline.

where is that poll? I searched and found only poll when we discuss about less or more game load that should be involved in season 3.

again, the most important part of my previous post:

josko.ri wrote:anyway, for crucial things like 4-3-2 or 3-3-3 and playoff format, I think the best would be to give every team leader 1 vote for choosing the best solution and which solution gets the most votes it will be implemented.


the league is playing for the clans not for the stuffs and/or calculations, and there is a lot of different opinions how it should looks like, but the most democratic and fair way to decide it is give 1 vote to every clan for every issue, including nuke/manual/gametype system/playoff format etc. so, the most of voices for every of options should make the best decision.

then the league would looks like most of the clans want. it is better to have it like most of them wants, so it will be much more funny competition to everyone then.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:14 pm

Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with josko on something, but I do here (in respect of a 'league' format rather than a knockout 2nd phase).

Wouldn't it be just as easy to take the top two from each of the 1st Divisions and have those four clans play a round robin format, thus retaining a true league style. Each clan could have three sets of (9) home games and three away, same as in the regular season. I'm fairly certain the total number of games will not exceed the format you are proposing now, so it shouldn't run on any longer.

It just seems sad for a team that has romped the league all season to get dumped out in the first head-to-head with a potential score of 9-10, that's all. A good performance throughout the regular league season should really be reflected in the final result/standing, otherwise it turns into a simple knockout 'cup' format.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby josko.ri on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:29 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with josko on something, but I do here (in respect of a 'league' format rather than a knockout 2nd phase).

hehe, it would happen more often if you try to argue about something with sense, not only about your bad dices :)

Chariot of Fire wrote:Wouldn't it be just as easy to take the top two from each of the 1st Divisions and have those four clans play a round robin format, thus retaining a true league style. Each clan could have three sets of (9) home games and three away, same as in the regular season.


I think you missed the fact that top 2 clans from every of 4 divisions advance to playoff stage. so 8 clans it would be then and 7 home and away sets.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:32 pm

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Chariot of Fire wrote:Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with josko on something, but I do here (in respect of a 'league' format rather than a knockout 2nd phase).

hehe, it would happen more often if you try to argue about something with sense, not only about your bad dices :)

Chariot of Fire wrote:Wouldn't it be just as easy to take the top two from each of the 1st Divisions and have those four clans play a round robin format, thus retaining a true league style. Each clan could have three sets of (9) home games and three away, same as in the regular season.


I think you missed the fact that top 2 clans from every of 4 divisions advance to playoff stage. so 8 clans it would be then and 7 home and away sets.



But it is still a knock out style once playoffs hit.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby jpcloet on Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:02 pm

If we put 8 in a second phased league, then clans may not join the CCup due to game load....most of them are still deciding whether to do the league as the CCup is still going.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:00 pm

hehe, it would happen more often if you try to argue about something with sense, not only about your bad dices


Hmmm, 28 games in our first batch and I don't see a single complaint about the dice from me. You have a fertile imagination josko.ri.

JPC....whatever you decide mate. It'll be fine.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby amazzony on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:20 am

Thank you for not wanting the whole homegame list before season! And, hopefully the game load won't go any higher next season, it would be a shame if clans need to start picking between Cup, League and challenges due to too big game load. That said, after some discussion in the clan forums we've decided to enter.

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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:39 am

jpcloet wrote:If we put 8 in a second phased league, then clans may not join the CCup due to game load....most of them are still deciding whether to do the league as the CCup is still going.



How about this... taking the 8 best records within the regular season then having them play say 25 total games spread out over the 8 clans. So say KORT make its.

They would then play 25 games total vs all other 7 clans, meaning some of the clans would get played more than others and on different maps or settings. You could predetermine which clans and settings, such as doubles triples and quads. It would be where the top 4 clans(record wise) have 13 home games and the bottom 4 have 12. Once the 25 games were over(Which would be played in 1 batch or 2. Then you would take the top 4 records and play again... then 2 and crown a champion. I think most would enjoy a system like that.


Example

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IA
KORT
BPB
TSM
ID
Empire
THOTA

are the 8 clans to make it.

For playoffs week 1, a schedule would look like

KORT:
Low x 3
IA x 3
BPB x 3
TSM x 4
THOTA x 4
ID x 4
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby jpcloet on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:52 am

I'll have to do some time line analysis as it seem like no matter what the CCup and League will always overlap for some clans. Having 8 clans go into 2 4's makes more sense, then top 2 in each into bracket playoffs like Season 2. Just means most of the year is busy.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby danryan on Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:19 pm

I'd recommend the league be a straight up league over the course of the season, no playoff. If you want to do tiered leagues with promotion and relegation that's fine too, but keep in mind if there are clans that fall by the wayside in Div 2 it'll be a nightmare again.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby josko.ri on Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:38 pm

danryan wrote:I'd recommend the league be a straight up league over the course of the season, no playoff. If you want to do tiered leagues with promotion and relegation that's fine too, but keep in mind if there are clans that fall by the wayside in Div 2 it'll be a nightmare again.

I think it will not be Division 2 in future. at least in season 3 it will not be played.
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Re: Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

Postby jpcloet on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:07 pm

Based on the polls, the league will stay traditional.

No Manual, No Nuclear

and the Playoff map will be Random (won out slightly over Classic, and well ahead of the other options)

Will be interesting to see what teams take on the random in the playoffs. :)
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