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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby ljex on Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:22 am

Incandenza wrote:
ljex wrote:
jrh_cardinal wrote:
danryan wrote:I'd be shocked to see KORT or TSM enter, and right now I'd say THOTA would be unlikely too. I think between the Clan League, clan wars, and the first CC some of the top flight clans (who go deep into any competition) are going to be suffering some burnout.

didn't THOTA sit out CLA3 in anticipation of joining this?


and because they didnt like the format of the league


Hmmm, I must've missed the post where a THOTA representative laid out the reasons that they didn't participate in season 3. Not like I would know anything about that... :roll:


That is what i heard, there were some other reasons too but i would rather this not become a big debate so i will just leave it be.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Qwert on Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:04 am

i dont know what will mine clan decide
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Nicky15 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:55 pm

Agents of Chaos are in 8-)

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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:38 am

josko.ri wrote:
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Chariot of Fire wrote:Question.....

You have stipulated that games sent must already have been created. This makes it very easy via Game Finder to check what games your opponents have created. The only way to avoid this (and retain that rule) is to create one's games at the very last minute, which unfortunately will only serve to encourage unnecessary delays.

If you wish to adhere to this rule of games having to be created then the deadline should stipulate what time you are working to (e.g. midnight EST, GMT, etc) and not simply a date.

The alternative is to abolish this rule and replace it with a system whereby each clan PMs the game details to the TO who, upon receipt of a PM from each clan, instructs the two parties to create the games in accordance with the details submitted.

Cheers, and looking forward to a much fairer tournament this time round where a clan can't advance on a technicality


bump. Chuuuuck????


all that rules about deadline for exchanging games are without purpose if some clan is constantly lating to deadlines, etc stalling sending home games from batch 2 and batch 3 in last CCup semis, or still dont make playoff games in CLA League no matter that deadline was 29th of January (all done by TOFU clan). it should have been some punishment for exceeding deadlines, some players plan their games/free slots according to deadline so then stalling the deadline by 1 month, like it was in last batch of CCup semis, changes a lot of plans of other clan. so, it should be defined deadline, but also exceeding the deadline have to be punished on some way. for what purpose is deadline of exchanging games if some clan constantly exceeds it?


From thebest712's wall....

hey, I still need your home map for quads. asked chipv but he said that you can choose. deadline to exchange games passed so please send it asap. by josko.ri
on Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:11 pm


The words 'copper' and 'kettle' spring to mind. Sorry, couldn't resist, but I simply can't abide hypocrites.

Good to see THOTA pull level in 'The Con Cup' edition I.

Happy Chinese New Year to all :D
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Masli on Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:42 am

Of-topic : Chariot of Fire, thebest712 hasn't played any games in the Cup for Kort bc he already playd for vvdl :roll:

Now lets keep this topic about the new Cup instead of the old one
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby josko.ri on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:33 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:From thebest712's wall....

hey, I still need your home map for quads. asked chipv but he said that you can choose. deadline to exchange games passed so please send it asap. by josko.ri
on Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:11 pm


The words 'copper' and 'kettle' spring to mind. Sorry, couldn't resist, but I simply can't abide hypocrites.

Good to see THOTA pull level in 'The Con Cup' edition I.

Happy Chinese New Year to all :D


if I am you, then this post would be something like "piss off you fckng ritard clown idiot cretin"

fortunately, I am more gentle person than you so I will just respond to clear my name from wrong accusing in your post. here is pm from chard (LoW leader) the day before:
Sent: Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:21 am
From: chard
To: josko.ri
I just happened to be on...

I am having the same problem with having to wait for people to send their game settings. I would not have a problem delaying our start date to tomorrow, but I will leave that up to you.

... and I agreed to delay it for the day after in my response to him. so, it was both clans' agreement to delay it for one day ;)
hehe, and your home playoff games were made about 3 days after ours, so about 3-4 days after the deadline. very nice pointing about hypocrites =D> :lol:

so, you can just consider what you said before and implement it in your future posts: ;)
Chariot of Fire wrote:in future you should keep your mouth shut about matters which neither concern you nor have you any knowledge about.

and also, I think your post totally fits with this definition:
Chariot of Fire wrote:All your post has served to do is cause mischief and does nothing to help solve what is a potential problem.


@ Chuuuck: are you sure in this:
Chuuuuck wrote:Everyone else brought up issues they would like to discuss without bringing up any past issues, your post instead takes a stab at other clans/people and points blame

previous CoF's post really sounds like bringing up some past issues in topic which is not intended for that, so I think he deserve some warning like I got when did the same. it seems like someone can constantly bring up the past issues and calling other players irritating clowns without being warned, and once when I bring some past issue without calling anyone clown, I was warned ASAP.

I really dont want to post anything new in this topic in respect to this
Chuuuuck wrote:but it seems repeatedly that where you post, problems follow.

but obviously some persons cannot live without accusing me for different things, so I think I deserve right to answer when being called for some abuse wrong, like it was in previous CoF's post.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby jpcloet on Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:21 am

josko.ri, just worry about yourself, you've been asked several times to not bring up past issues. Learn to move forward.

Chuuuuck, you need to update the rules about home team joining first and to update the clan rankings that will be used. Please have that done by the end of this weekend.

Chuuuuck I will also pm you about how the privileges could be issued and the medal decisions and options.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby trapyoung on Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:01 am

FFS Josko, FAMO

I am surprised by your stamina, everyone else has become exhausted by your exercise in self-humiliation but you just keep chugging along.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:54 am

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:31 am

jpcloet wrote:josko.ri, just worry about yourself, you've been asked several times to not bring up past issues. Learn to move forward.

Chuuuuck, you need to update the rules about home team joining first and to update the clan rankings that will be used. Please have that done by the end of this weekend.

Chuuuuck I will also pm you about how the privileges could be issued and the medal decisions and options.

not sure if you should demand.
the privs should be like any other clan challenge
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby jpcloet on Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:53 am

This is not like any other war as the clans do not get to pick and choose who they face. This is a private event and privilege rules have not been clearly defined yet for these types of things. There are 3 examples and both CCup1 and CL2 and CL3 were all handled completely different. We don't have the consistency we should have for various reasons.

As for medals, only the winners will receive medals in a private event. Again, new standards have to be created around formats and minimum sizes etc. This is a good example of what the new CLA should be consulted on. The CCup2 does not meet the "open negotiation" current rule, nor 2 or 3 of the new rules coming that chuuuuck is aware of. All the leauges had Top-Player awards and that is something that Chuuuck and I should be discussing now rather than later.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Master Fenrir on Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:11 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

:lol: Reading this post was a good way to start my morning. Thanks, CoF.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Denise on Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:07 am

Wow, I can't believe the animosity already shown in this thread. In a way it's entertaining, but I feel bad for Chuck, having to deal with all this still. If I were him I might say forget the whole thing.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby comic boy on Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:42 pm

Poor old Josko he just cant help himself , cuts himself to pieces every morning trying to shave whilst arguing with the reflection in his mirror......its tragic :(
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chuuuuck on Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:19 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:Sorry, all, the nature of my business I just get really busy at times and less busy at other times. I have been busy lately and when that happens I usually check games/forums quickly but am a little more slow to update.

Anyway, I started to compile and have decided I am going to ask for votes again. Many of the votes I got were not complete in the manner I need them and on top of that I only received 14 votes which is less than I received the last time around.

A lot of clans are now signing up for Conqueror's Cup 2 that were not in the first one and I think they will now have an interest in completing these votes which they did not have the interest before. So I will try to get more votes.

For the votes that I got, I will quote those PMs back to their senders so they can update them and send them again and it will be minimal work for them. I will ask the ones that didn't complete their votes to fix them so that all votes are uniform and easy to put together for the data needed.

I promise to have these compiled as soon as I get more votes flowing in. I am going to put a deadline of 1 week from today on receiving votes and I will probably hound the leaders every day for the votes.


I posted this in Power Rankings, I will be trying to get more votes for the power rankings because I did not receive near as many as I would like. Everyone listed as a leader in their group should expect a PM soon.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Qwert on Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:03 pm

"by jpcloet on Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:53 pm

This is not like any other war as the clans do not get to pick and choose who they face. This is a private event and privilege rules have not been clearly defined yet for these types of things. There are 3 examples and both CCup1 and CL2 and CL3 were all handled completely different. We don't have the consistency we should have for various reasons.

As for medals, only the winners will receive medals in a private event. Again, new standards have to be created around formats and minimum sizes etc. This is a good example of what the new CLA should be consulted on. The CCup2 does not meet the "open negotiation" current rule, nor 2 or 3 of the new rules coming that chuuuuck is aware of. All the leauges had Top-Player awards and that is something that Chuuuck and I should be discussing now rather than later."
well you can give medal to winner of cup,i think that its best option.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Lubawski on Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:28 pm

jpcloet wrote:This is not like any other war as the clans do not get to pick and choose who they face. This is a private event and privilege rules have not been clearly defined yet for these types of things. There are 3 examples and both CCup1 and CL2 and CL3 were all handled completely different. We don't have the consistency we should have for various reasons.

As for medals, only the winners will receive medals in a private event. Again, new standards have to be created around formats and minimum sizes etc. This is a good example of what the new CLA should be consulted on. The CCup2 does not meet the "open negotiation" current rule, nor 2 or 3 of the new rules coming that chuuuuck is aware of. All the leauges had Top-Player awards and that is something that Chuuuck and I should be discussing now rather than later.


I see your point, but all clans are joining this understanding that they may face any other clan that has joined. Just like they are joining saying that they agree to the terms. While not all clans have had a say in how this is organized, many clans did whether in the CLA or the first time around. Nothing is authoritatively dictated by Chuck. The medals discussion can continue in the CLA as this really isn't the place to hold something that large.

As for privs, I think CL3 was awesome in how it was run. All the feedback that was given in the CLA thread was very positive in regards to privs. Because all clans here have participated in at least two challenges, even the new clans have used the privs before and know what to do. I think it would be reasonable to extend them for this event (unless a clan in here has had them revoked--but if that is the case, they probably shouldn't be let in in the first place and Chuck is going to need to know that). Just like a normal challenge, the clans can post in the privs request thread prior to their challenge starting after their war thread has been opened. I know there are a few things you want to be ironed out (like home team joining FOW games first--a pet peeve of yours which really should be solved via a site update that automatically gives a snap to each side in a fog game upon the start [Dako or Chip, do you think something like that is possible?])

Anyway, back on topic here. It's awesome to see so many clans already in here. If everyone else who has posted in this thread whose clan has not joined would jump on board, this thing would be massive. Between this and the League, we have full year exciting events going right now. It's an awesome time to be in a clan.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Rodion on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:12 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:Sorry, all, the nature of my business I just get really busy at times and less busy at other times. I have been busy lately and when that happens I usually check games/forums quickly but am a little more slow to update.

Anyway, I started to compile and have decided I am going to ask for votes again. Many of the votes I got were not complete in the manner I need them and on top of that I only received 14 votes which is less than I received the last time around.

A lot of clans are now signing up for Conqueror's Cup 2 that were not in the first one and I think they will now have an interest in completing these votes which they did not have the interest before. So I will try to get more votes.

For the votes that I got, I will quote those PMs back to their senders so they can update them and send them again and it will be minimal work for them. I will ask the ones that didn't complete their votes to fix them so that all votes are uniform and easy to put together for the data needed.

I promise to have these compiled as soon as I get more votes flowing in. I am going to put a deadline of 1 week from today on receiving votes and I will probably hound the leaders every day for the votes.


I posted this in Power Rankings, I will be trying to get more votes for the power rankings because I did not receive near as many as I would like. Everyone listed as a leader in their group should expect a PM soon.


Does that mean that clans with more leaders have more influence on determining the outcome of the rankings or will PMs just serve as information and each clan is entitled to 1 ballot?
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby ljex on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:14 pm

Rodion wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:
Chuuuuck wrote:Sorry, all, the nature of my business I just get really busy at times and less busy at other times. I have been busy lately and when that happens I usually check games/forums quickly but am a little more slow to update.

Anyway, I started to compile and have decided I am going to ask for votes again. Many of the votes I got were not complete in the manner I need them and on top of that I only received 14 votes which is less than I received the last time around.

A lot of clans are now signing up for Conqueror's Cup 2 that were not in the first one and I think they will now have an interest in completing these votes which they did not have the interest before. So I will try to get more votes.

For the votes that I got, I will quote those PMs back to their senders so they can update them and send them again and it will be minimal work for them. I will ask the ones that didn't complete their votes to fix them so that all votes are uniform and easy to put together for the data needed.

I promise to have these compiled as soon as I get more votes flowing in. I am going to put a deadline of 1 week from today on receiving votes and I will probably hound the leaders every day for the votes.


I posted this in Power Rankings, I will be trying to get more votes for the power rankings because I did not receive near as many as I would like. Everyone listed as a leader in their group should expect a PM soon.


Does that mean that clans with more leaders have more influence on determining the outcome of the rankings or will PMs just serve as information and each clan is entitled to 1 ballot?


Each clan is entitled one ballot to my knowledge
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Lubawski on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:26 pm

That is correct. One ballot per clan. And clans don't rank themselves either. They omit their clan when submitting.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Dako on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:35 pm

It might be possible to auto-snap the fog game but it will be hard to do. You actually need to visit that page and see if the game was just initialized. After that check the chat for existing snapshots and maybe get one. I think it will be too hard to do. Well, at least I don't have time for that, sorry.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chuuuuck on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:37 pm

I am trying to get a more complete list of all active clans and then the PMs will be sent back out.

And yes, they are right, 1 ballot per clan. I just send the PM to everyone listed as a clan leader to make sure each clan gets the PM and is aware that I want their votes.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:53 pm

This is not like any other war as the clans do not get to pick and choose who they face. This is a private event and privilege rules have not been clearly defined yet for these types of things.


With the bracket for the cup being drawn-up based on seedings that are allocated after a vote, then it could be argued that every participating clan has in some way determined the fate of who will face whom.

Perhaps, at the end of the day, the format could be revised so that the clans facing off get to choose their own settings through negotiation with each other. This way the tournament gets to retain its ideal of being a 'challenge cup' which I believe was the intent since its inception.

Or maybe that could be another tourney altogether. Hmmm....
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby Chuuuuck on Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:00 pm

Here is how I think it should be looked at.

Every battle that happens within the cup really has nothing to do with the cup, but instead, is those two clans agreeing to play each other and they will present the winner to the cup for advancement. But at any point, any clan can decide to back out and just not play the matchup that we have for them to play. At that point, the other clan would advance and the challenge never happens, but by participating, both clans are agreeing to play in that challenge. I have even added a rule just like last year that they can tweak the actual settings as long as they both agree on it, so they have the freewill to do as they please. I am a believer that each battle within the cup should be considered a clan war by all involved. I think just about everyone who participates agrees with this viewpoint.
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Re: 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

Postby jpcloet on Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:10 pm

Not sure I buy that.

So I can change the game types too then, and the player counts, and the map rules then?
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