[ACC] The All Comers Cup - Final

[BoganGod]

A few people have mentioned a full schedule, and no "hole" in the clan year..... I would have thought was pretty self evident that this is designed as a quick clan event. Unlike pretty much every other multi clan event in the CC calendar. There is not an onerous game load. Established clans get recognition without getting a free pass.

Would be a lot easier if the yanks had a clue about english soccer... lovo don't know why your being so negative. This is not intended to steal tofu/empire's thunder(throwing tofu in there as chuuuuck has jumped ship there, and he is still sorting some of the CC cup).

Can understand why some of the more established clans don't have the balls to be in this, because the rounds are smaller, there is a larger element of luck. Less chance to grind out a boring victory. Pussies. How about people post in here if they wish to register.

Brethren of the Fat Mermaid. In please. Contacts GallantPellham, Draq, BoganGod, Ryno99

Know have already asked to be included. Just making it official by posting in thread.

[shocked439]

Seriously, why all tge negativity in the responses? If you want in and have the time to be in join and put it in your response. If you don't want in and don't have the time don't respond.

Why does every idea in the clan world have to be a 15 page bitch fest.

Looks like a great event and best of luck with it!

[DJ Teflon]

3 rounds of byes for some teams? Why? That seems really excessive. Given the smaller set of games, I don't see the need.

I'm guessing the byes are there because It's loosely modelled on the English FA Cup, which is pictured in the thread.

Makes perfect sense to us English folk.

Some of the replies confirm that higher ranked clans dont want to play many events at once (although the call for one event at a time is extreme).

[lord voldemort]

This looks just as long as the cc cup. Sure there are a few byes for the higher ranks. But there is still ideally 3 challenges of 50,60,60 games for the finals.
That requires research. You are looking at a 6-9 month tournament here...Its not as short as you think. Not to mention the shortest style of game 1v1 and dubs have the least representation.
Alot of clans choose long drawn out quads games, hive, conquermans etc....
It has nothing to do with empire...CC cup is an event ran by Chuuuuck (which he doesnt even want to run)
It has nothing to do with balls. It has to do with there are already established tournaments and competitions that are all year round. It is already difficult for most clans to then fit in regular challenges in between. We have already had one cancelled challenge this year.

[DJ Teflon]

Thanks for all your essays folks, and thanks most of all to the clans that have registered. Not sure if you are in PACK (sniper)?

I've marked some of the draft essays below - for further discussion I suggest a new thread maybe?


Suggestions
jpcloet makes a good point:

'Extra -Time'
The 3 extra time games could be played anyway, and only count if scores are otherwise equal. They would therefore start just after the regular games and not hold a tie up. Alternatively, the 'extra-time' idea could be swapped for a single quads tie-breaker game thrown in at the start of each tie.


Leehar made his point concisely:

1 v 1s
This could be increased to best-of-5 to ensure a greater skill requirement.
Combining his other point about more focus on doubles, how about this as a minor amendment to cover both points:

1 v 1s are best-of-4. Winner gains 1 point. If there is a 2-2 draw then neither clan gains a point.



Feel free to make further suggestions for minor tinkering, especially if you are joining.


And feel free to register without an essay.

show: Draft Essay Marking

[jigger1986]

Grim Reapers would like to join.

(and no sniper is not a member, he is with The Pack now)

[DJ Teflon]

Thanks for joining jigger

[aaronvollrath]

Count in the 1st Regiment of Foot Guards!

Contacts: General Brock II and General Roy

if the the ggs are in, then we are in, too!

in please:

the fantastic four-skins

contacts: aaronvollrath and aspalm

[Jimmy V]

Legends of the Zone are in.

Contacts: ScaryTeded, Yellow Peril, and Jimmy V

[jefjef]

KOA is in.

jefjef - MegasWoman - IcePack are contacts.

[fixitman4]

kk read the rules

Thanks

[eddie2]

Leehar made his point concisely:

1 v 1s
This could be increased to best-of-5 to ensure a greater skill requirement.
Combining his other point about more focus on doubles, how about this as a minor amendment to cover both points:

1 v 1s are best-of-4. Winner gains 1 point. If there is a 2-2 draw then neither clan gains a point.



Feel free to make further suggestions for minor tinkering, especially if you are joining.

hum if you are running this along the lines of the english football league/cups.

would it not be better to follow there point system as well 3. points for a win 1 point each for a tie. and if the challenge ends tied the team who has the most points in away games wins the challenge. just a thought im happy with whatever you do.

[Leehar]

Then also, my main worry right now is an echo of Lovo's sentiments, in that you do say it's meant to be a small event, but it does seem prohibitively large, yet still somehow not large enough if you get my drift. Basically, It's still a huge number of games at 20 from the first round all the way to 36 for the last in comparison to the normal Clan League meetings. And then in comparison to the Cup, where each set should be capable of earning medals in a 40+ game encounter, here we have a lot of smaller matchups that will give an eventual medal at the end of a minimum of 102 games for the higher ranks. Idk, for me personally this just doesn't serve as enough of an incentive in that the games are short enough to not be completely a true enough test of ability in a 40+ encounter or with medal eligibility, and yet they are long enough to not be similar enough to the clan league where you can have fun short encounters against new clans in a (albeit not fully yet) league format.
So Idk, those are just my concerns in that it seems to miss out on the best of both worlds instead of catering for both and that it still requires significant effort to commit yet doesn't really have enough of the incentive over other avenues.

With regards to Nemesis participation, I've raised it for us to discuss, and I'm still in two-minds since I was all for an event like this for all of us not currently involved in clan competitions, but unsure if we'd be better off just playing clan challenges instead...

[BoganGod]

Then also, my main worry right now is an echo of Lovo's sentiments, in that you do say it's meant to be a small event, but it does seem prohibitively large, yet still somehow not large enough if you get my drift. Basically, It's still a huge number of games at 20 from the first round all the way to 36 for the last in comparison to the normal Clan League meetings. And then in comparison to the Cup, where each set should be capable of earning medals in a 40+ game encounter, here we have a lot of smaller matchups that will give an eventual medal at the end of a minimum of 102 games for the higher ranks. Idk, for me personally this just doesn't serve as enough of an incentive in that the games are short enough to not be completely a true enough test of ability in a 40+ encounter or with medal eligibility, and yet they are long enough to not be similar enough to the clan league where you can have fun short encounters against new clans in a (albeit not fully yet) league format.
So Idk, those are just my concerns in that it seems to miss out on the best of both worlds instead of catering for both and that it still requires significant effort to commit yet doesn't really have enough of the incentive over other avenues.

With regards to Nemesis participation, I've raised it for us to discuss, and I'm still in two-minds(and you still can't make either one up can ya) since I was all for an event like this for all of us not currently involved in clan competitions, but unsure if we'd be better off just playing clan challenges instead...

For guuds sakk mattte. Shuit or geet offf the poott allreadyy. You saffa's can't make your minds up, and love sharing your indecisiveness with all. Rather than piss around and moan about what this is, or isn't. How big or not big enough it is.... noticing a theme here, a decidedly phallic one.... Lets take it as. Nemesis, still deciding whether they have a pair between them. See easy to write, eh?

9clans have registered so far, and some of them have done so without a protracted and agonizing attempt at thinking aloud in thread.

[Leehar]

9clans have registered so far, and some of them have done so without a protracted and agonizing attempt at thinking aloud in thread.

Yes, and the most common theme is that all of them with the exception of you as hosts were formed within the last year and are still at the back end of most ladders? For gathering mid-rank clans at the least, you don't seem to have done such a great job?
All I'm worried about is trying to make it more appealing for the rest of us, which obviously hasn't happened. I just put down my thoughts about why that could be so.
Rather than negativity, I'm just trying to find a way to make it more inclusive than it seems to be right now, and for that more than just dehumanizing me and my clan for making my comments, why can't we try and find out why clans like bss, legion, aod, bpb, g1, dyn and even myth (despite shocked's sentiments) etc aren't clamoring at the door to join this, since I would assume they're the ones an event like this should be shooting for - rather than the ones you currently have who I suspect aren't as aware of what exactly they're getting into...