[CL4] Ph2 Div 3 - Winner: BotFM MVP: pop.vol

[chemefreak]

Legion vs Grim Reapers

Dubs
Lunar War (E,C,F) - culs de sac/cyclone_23x
Feudal War (F,C,F) - crashawc/lindax
Trips
WWII Poland (N,C,F) - mwcc/dyrtydog/pixar
Arms Race (N,C,F) - codierose/scottp/tammy delee
Quads
Rail Africa (N,C,F) - ubcman64/chemefreak/rkcved/mustapha mond
City Mogul (E,C,F) - lfaw/snowgun/downfall/wrexham

[Teflon Kris]

BoFM (week 4) vs HH:

Dubs
Classic - esc, ch, sunny - M.K.C88-90 & GallantPellham
Random - esc, ch, fog - burninchaoz & M.K.C88-90

Trips
Pearl Harbor - ns, ch, fog - babagonosh, sirron, Sgt.Bobo
Atlantis - ns, ch, fog - DJ Teflon, morleyjoe, babagonosh

Quads
Fractured America - Esc, ch, sun - kylegraves1, GallantPellham, wcyoung & Ryno99
New World - ns, unlim, fog - Crash_22, TheForgivenOne, DJ Teflon & anonymus

[Keefie]

HH Home Games vs BotFM

D Stalingrad - ns/c/f - Awesome A, Keefie
D Greenland - esc/c/f - Bretzsky, snuden
T D-Day - ns/adj/f - juan barazi, Googilibear, Johnny Dickshot
T Malta - ns/c/f - Alexinho, Toads, join cad
Q Route 66 - ns/c/f - Alexinho, istanbul39, leapfrog, psychobkrazy
Q Third Crusade - ns/c/f - Awesome A, Juan Barazi, Johnny Dickshot, snuden

[xman5151]

For GR vs Legion (week 4, 3rd match)

GR Home Set:

D: Flanders 1302. NS, chained, fog. xman5151, whakamole
D: Feudal War. NS, chained, fog. b00060, bjf5893
T: Pelo War. NS. chained, fog. kmhebert, krikee, bjf5893
T: Stalingrad. NS, chained, fog. kmhebert, Tiller, alaskanassassin
Q: WWII Poland. NS, chained fog. xman5151, alaskanassassin, djfireside, bjf5893
Q: Imperium Romanium. NS, chained, fog. kmhebert, misher, akabob2, whakamole

[Finsfleet]

Otpisani away games lineup:

British Isles Esc/chain/fog
Shaun850/vaz2103 - freakns, DJ_ZG

Europa no spoils/adjacent/sunny-If adjacent not allowed then chained
DavDanillo/sekretar - lordnex, Milen83

Trips
Feudal Warno spoill/chain/fog
atax/tony1973/Shaun850 - trboye, yanakis, ivanbuba

Classic no spoil/chain/sunny
DavDanillo/TheRookThief/sekretar - finsfleet, dinustef, omiljeni

Quads
Random no spoil/chain/fog
stevenshome/shivi/SaviorShot/shaz2 - freakns, DimnjacarStef, pop.vol, sudija77

Antarticano spoil/chain/fog
hmsps/stevenshome/Kingm/Shaun850 - trboye, cille, lord prepredenko, ivanbuba

[gradybridges]

WAR away vs OTP

Doubles
sdh/sekretar- American civil war, esc, no fog, chained
sdh/sekretar - europe1914, chained, no fog, escalating

Triples
stevenshome/dkjose/Ghengis.Kalm - eastern hemi, unlimited, fog, no spoils
stevenshome/dkjose/Ghengis.Kalm - Egypt valley of the kings, esc, chained, foggy

Quads
sdh/Mass Miracle/gradybridges/shivi- Bamboo, esc, chained, sunny
hmsps/tony1973/Kingm/Shaun850 - Galapagos, no spoils, chained, fog

[ViperOverLord]

What's with KOA not posting their home games? I can't fill out a line-up if they're not going to post. I see that they missed three Sunday deadlines in a row now.

[IcePack]

What's with KOA not posting their home games? I can't fill out a line-up if they're not going to post. I see that they missed three Sunday deadlines in a row now.

Not sure what's up, I've been away all weekend. I'll try finding out.

IcePack

[merch313]

What's with KOA not posting their home games? I can't fill out a line-up if they're not going to post. I see that they missed three Sunday deadlines in a row now.

Since they missed all the games will be Random Esc, Chained and Sunny

[jefjef]

What's with KOA not posting their home games? I can't fill out a line-up if they're not going to post. I see that they missed three Sunday deadlines in a row now.

Since they missed all the games will be Random Esc, Chained and Sunny

Huh. Well I was just ready to post. But fine by me. You should probably expect us to withdraw. Have a nice day.

Dubs
Estebanzia - jammyjames
jakes1 - farm

Trips
maxcst - megaswoman - gqmecock
Odeuminus - link0983 - IcePack

Quads
SC MAN - beardbuster - maverick0710 - laholaesmia
morff69 - greenoaks - aad0906 - foreverman

[ViperOverLord]

Man D Round 3 Road Line-Up

Doubles

KiIIface, LordDusan
KiIIface, LordDusan

Triples

ViperOverLord, Robespierre__, Astro Gypsy,
ViperOverLord, Robespierre__, Astro Gypsy

Quads

ViperOverLord, Astro Gypsy, Robespierre__, Sea Bass Magnus
ViperOverLord, Astro Gypsy, Robespierre__, Sea Bass Magnus

[Finsfleet]

I thought readline for posting is monday night, not sunday night? And with a little bit of loose attitude because of the time zone differences? They posted it on time the way I see it.

[Keefie]

The deadline for the post is Monday night CC time, however you must have already pm'd merch313 by midnight sunday. As far as I'm concerned there should be no flexibility, it's the same for all.

It's pretty clear:

A list of home game maps, settings and players need to be sent to the DD no later than Sunday night midnight CC time. If there is any ambiguity regarding maps and settings (e.g. a first contact states "Feudal", then the DD can use their judgment to decide what this means - e.g. "Feudal Epic"). [The opposition 1st contact no longer needs to be sent this list by PM]

The same list of home game maps, settings and players must be posted, by the home clan first contact, in the division thread (for the benefit of the opposing 1st contact) no later than Monday night midnight CC time. Failure to make this post will result in the Division Director randomly selecting two of the offending clan's away games in that round, and randomly assigning players to these two games from the clan's provisional list of players (the other away games will be assigned players as per the First Contact's list).

[Keefie]

HH away line up vs BotFM

D Classic - Keef12, Toads
D Random - Keefie, Join Cad
T Pearl Harbour - Awesome A, Bretzsky, Riskier than you
T Atlantis - Awesome A, runboy59, snuden
Q Fractured America - Vadim5, Johnny Dickshot, Snuden, Juan Barazi
Q New World - Alexinho, Johnny Dickshot, Danfrank, Seamusk

[IcePack]

So we weren't late to post? What purpose does 2 deadlines serve other than to delay or confuse...if nothing can change once given to merch Sunday, why is there another deadline? One deadline for both would be sufficient one would think.

Clearly we aren't the only confused one if MD said we were late when we weren't.

IcePack

[Keefie]

Well you were clearly late for the second deadline.

The point of two deadlines is so your opposition can't gain an advantage by seeing which maps your going to play prior to submitting their own.

[Teflon Kris]

So we weren't late to post? What purpose does 2 deadlines serve other than to delay or confuse...if nothing can change once given to merch Sunday, why is there another deadline? One deadline for both would be sufficient one would think.

Clearly we aren't the only confused one if MD said we were late when we weren't.

IcePack

The purpose it serves it keeping some of the more detail oriented cvlan leaders happy.

Unfortunately, if there were only one deadline then there would be potential dummy-spitting as a result of some clans being able to read other opponents lists before posting their own, which would be considered unfair by the clans with the earlier bedtime.

Therefore having two deadlines prevents this potential dummy-spit as late-bedtime clan leaders aren't able to scrutinise opponents lists before posting their own in order to gain the slenderest of strategic advantages.

jefjef's dummy-spit provides an example of how a small issue can lead to the toys being thrown out of the pram, thus justifying the need for all of these rules to prevent dummy-spitting opportunities.

However, despite our best attempts to legislate against dummy-spitting, it still seems to occur. We will therefore have to create dummy-spitting consequences. Perhaps the case of AKA's former contact may be used as a precedent - i.e. clan contacts threatening to withdraw their clan from competitions will no longer be allowed to continue in their role as contact, or post in the relevent forums? In fact, if we didn't use this case as a precedent there would be all sorts of dummies flying around and a lot of toys to put back into various prams. jefjef beware!

[IcePack]

Well you were clearly late for the second deadline.

The point of two deadlines is so your opposition can't gain an advantage by seeing which maps your going to play prior to submitting their own.

First deadline*. The second deadline (Monday) had not passed yet so it wasn't required to be posted until that night.

[jefjef]

if we didn't use this case as a precedent there would be all sorts of dummies flying around and a lot of toys to put back into various prams. jefjef beware!

Here's your precident DJ.

KOA withdraws from this competition.

Have a dummy-split day!

[Teflon Kris]

KOA withdraws from this competition.

Have a dummy-split day!

Its dummy-spit, not split mate.

I was trying to make light of the situation and give you a way out as threatening to withdraw is a major clan contact sin (I thought you and Ice were the current contacts?).

[MudPuppy]

From the Online Slang Dictionary:

dummy-spit:

• used to describe an outburst of anger or tantrum (Dummy, pacifier - a rubber teat used by babies for suckling)
• explosion of anger, tantrum. A "dummy" is a baby's pacifier. When you're angry, you have to spit out the dummy. Also spit the dummy

[xman5151]

In defense of the organizers for this, this rule has been in place since roughly week 2 of phase 1 (I know it changed a little at 1 point), so you guys should have already been doing this/known how to do this for at least 3 or 4 weeks in the last phase, I don't know if all your games were random because you couldn't meet the deadlines or what.

Now I do agree having 3 different deadlines each week is tough to deal with, and probably 1 too many, but rules are rules, deadlines are deadlines. Quitting part way through the competition because you can no longer meet the deadlines hardly seems reasonable. Especially in a huge clan like yours where you can surely have someone help you out with reminders, creating home teams etc.

[jefjef]

In defense of the organizers for this, this rule has been in place since roughly week 2 of phase 1 (I know it changed a little at 1 point), so you guys should have already been doing this/known how to do this for at least 3 or 4 weeks in the last phase

Our original contact for this moved on. I stepped in phase 2. I had zero interest in KOA participating in this and I have even less interest now.

explosion of anger, tantrum. A "dummy" is a baby's pacifier. When you're angry, you have to spit out the dummy. Also spit the dummy

This is funny shit. You call my actions an "explosion of anger"? It's just an explosion of meh. You haven't seen anger..

You all have a nice day.

[Keefie]

A completely over the top reaction. If they had dummy spitting in the Olympics Jefjef would be a contender

Seriously though, KoA DID enter and now are screwing up the tourney for the rest of the clans who can meet deadlines. Instead of getting all wound up why can't you just accept that you were late and take playing a couple of random games on the chin.

Personally I'd like to see clans who withdraw mid-competition banned from all clan competitions, CLA approved or not.

[Teflon Kris]

I did make a botch-up in the above post for which I apologise (and have now corrected) - I referred to the potential precedent of KOA's former contact - I actually meant AKA's former contact (who twice threatened to withdraw then asked for his clan to continue and was thereby replaced by another AKA contact).

And jefjef is correct when suggesting that such moves should involve CDs.