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by **Keefie** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:10 am

I think what's at play here is the worst kind of clan snobbery.

IA are one of the oldest clans around and are currently ranked 6th. They are a formidable outfit, with quite possibly the highest average ranked players of any clan and on there day could beat anyone. HH are one of the newest clans and are currently ranked 24th.

So what does a team like HH do when drawn to face them in a Knock out cup ? Obviously IA expected us to behave just like a little low ranked clan should and chose maps that would play right into their hands. Well I'm so sorry that HH had the temerity to choose maps that gave us a slim chance of pulling off a shock win. It's very sad that an element in IA, which is clearly bigger than I first thought, feel that their clan has been disrespected by HH. It's also very sad that high ranked players constantly whinge and whine about how unfair the dice are and make comments in chat like:

"i wont even dignify this silly map with a 'gg' ... its good dice for your team and that is all ... splitting your forces and being successful ... what a bunch of crap ... pure luck ... so happy to be done playin you idiots on these unskilled maps"

and

"bs .. this game is over .. you have dice we have none ... so lame"

and

"gg ... i guess ... i mean like your dice killled ours ... so no strategy involved here ... but you guys new that when you set this map up ... its a crap shoot ... glad we dont have to play any more stupid maps like this ... sheesh, no strat maps, pathetic"

and

"I deployed 3 on myself round 1 + 10 autodeploy units I killed 2 units. U can kiss my ass while I continue to whine about my dice as I have been at below 32% win rate on 3v2 and currently at 28%. And ur maps are mostly skillless ones."

As far as I'm concerned IA disrespect themselves with these comments.

Well we've got a war starting soon with DBC and I'm sure that regardless of the scoreline it will be a darn site more fun than this one was. Give me wars against TNC, OSA, 1st Regt and the like any day.

Keefie

by **Keefie** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:22 am

Yes I did finally snap and call one of IA's players a 'fuckwit' and referred to him as 'numbnuts' in response to his continuous idiotic comments and bad sportsmanship.

Funny that I've received a pm from one member of IA apologising for the behaviour of his team mates =D>

by **Ickyketseddie** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:45 am

All i'll say on this is i'm not saying Keefie calling your clan mates assholes is classy. I just ment that since there had obviously been some nasty in game chat, it was nice to see Keefie rise above and wish you all the best.

Everyone knows IA are a great outfit, I don't see why there needs to be so much hostility because they tried a new approach to take out a top ten clan since on a even playing field it wasn't going to happen.

As for being all about winning... well we all are, especially in then clan world lets not even dispute that.

My personal experience with members from both clans has been great. The above is a bit sad to see from great players. The dice suck, we all know it, but thats not anyones fault here.

All the best to you both, i'll take myself out the thread now!

by **fishydance** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:55 am

This is beginning to resemble a Hatfield McCoy situation, which I honestly don't think either clan wants to see happen. Let's agree that both sides said some regrettable things in the heat of the moment, and let it go. It's a game. Games should ultimately be fun, so let's get back to having fun and bury this issue for good. We all have better, and more enjoyable, things to do.

by **ahunda** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:19 am

I apologise.

I still think, that HHs choice of maps was/is a greater offense (in terms of good sportsmanship, appropriate conduct, whatever you wanna call it) than some dice bitching in a couple of games. For us it took the fun out of this challenge before it even began, independent of the final score (that might still be very very close by the way).

And thus I really felt offended to be lectured on good sportsmanship by someone, who in my opinion had himself performed poorly in that regard. That however does not excuse me getting nasty about it.

So again: I apologise. Not for my opinion, by which I stand, but for my choice of words & unnecesseraly furthering hostility here.

by **Keefie** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:58 am

Ahunda, I'm at a loss to understand exactly what you are apologising for.

You accuse HH and myself of:

Choosing the low road
Taking a cheap shot
Disrespecting IA and the clan scene in general
Poor sportsmanship
Inappropriate conduct

These are pretty serious accusations to make just because you didn't like our map selection :lol:

All because I pointed out in an earlier post that two of his clan mates had soured the experience for us. I did actually say " While Ahunda and the majority of his clan have played and acted like gentlemen", so it's a damn shame he's ruining it now.

However, I too will apologise, but not for defending myself and the Headless Horsemen from the complete garbage that you're throwing at us. So I guess my apology is just about as empty as yours.

by **allinpoker1980** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:52 am

Look I dont see what all the fuss is about? Map picking is a strategy even if it means picking the simplest maps to beat a clan that has outstacked ours in terms of recrutiting higher ranks. If you want to talk about disrespecting the clan scene I could argue that trying to stack your clan so deep that you outrank other clans is a direspect to sportsmanship. Or that your idea of picking maps you know but others dont is unsportsmanlike. I have not weighted in on this yet and really didnt want to get involved because quite frankly, drama over a board game is more than a little silly. And as for a Hatfields Mccoy situation, by this point, I say bring it!!!!

by **fishydance** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:01 pm

allinpoker1980 wrote:Look I dont see what all the fuss is about? Map picking is a strategy even if it means picking the simplest maps to beat a clan that has outstacked ours in terms of recrutiting higher ranks. If you want to talk about disrespecting the clan scene I could argue that trying to stack your clan so deep that you outrank other clans is a direspect to sportsmanship. Or that your idea of picking maps you know but others dont is unsportsmanlike. I have not weighted in on this yet and really didnt want to get involved because quite frankly, drama over a board game is more than a little silly. And as for a Hatfields Mccoy situation, by this point, I say bring it!!!!

As a player who was with the clan when it was initially started, I can assure you that the clan began with solid, experienced players from the get go. Since then we have not recruited any differently than other clans have. How that has anything to do with the current debate on this thread is beyond me.

by **allinpoker1980** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:16 pm

It has as much to do with this debate as our choice of maps. Its all asinine over a game in which we exercised our right to pick our own maps. Those points are not meant to really complain about those aspects of your clan, but to point our what we could be saying about your sportsmanship if we were so inclined. So, in short, learn from your own comments on fair play and sportsmanship and quit being a bunch of whiney rude a-holes. Its a game, have fun!

by **fishydance** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:21 pm

allinpoker1980 wrote:It has as much to do with this debate as our choice of maps. Its all asinine over a game in which we exercised our right to pick our own maps. Those points are not meant to really complain about those aspects of your clan, but to point our what we could be saying about your sportsmanship if we were so inclined. So, in short, learn from your own comments on fair play and sportsmanship and quit being a bunch of whiney rude a-holes. Its a game, have fun!

Not sure why you feel the need to call me whiney or an a-hole, when I've said nothing derogatory about any of you. However, I agree that it's a game and we should have fun. Let's end this chatter and play on!

by **allinpoker1980** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:28 pm

HOnestly thats not directed at you. My comment is in regards to game chat from some of your teammates who instead of being good sports decide to take a rude derogatory tone.

by **fishydance** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:39 pm

allinpoker1980 wrote:HOnestly thats not directed at you. My comment is in regards to game chat from some of your teammates who instead of being good sports decide to take a rude derogatory tone.

Thanks for the clarification. As I said, let's play on. Looks like it may be a close finish in the end!

by **allinpoker1980** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:55 pm

well said, gl!

by **Keefie** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:39 pm

Fishydance, you are a class act =D>

by **Master Fenrir** on Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:45 pm

Keefie wrote:Ahunda, I'm at a loss to understand exactly what you are apologising for.

You accuse HH and myself of:

Choosing the low road
Taking a cheap shot
Disrespecting IA and the clan scene in general
Poor sportsmanship
Inappropriate conduct

These are pretty serious accusations to make just because you didn't like our map selection

All because I pointed out in an earlier post that two of his clan mates had soured the experience for us. I did actually say " While Ahunda and the majority of his clan have played and acted like gentlemen", so it's a damn shame he's ruining it now.

However, I too will apologise, but not for defending myself and the Headless Horsemen from the complete garbage that you're throwing at us. So I guess my apology is just about as empty as yours.

I don't get how you don't get it.

If you buy into the CC clan scene, then you understand the strides that have been taken to make wars as fair and as skill-based as possible. Think about it: no speed, no freestyle, no nukes, no beta, unlimited restrictions, and the 12 hour fog rule. All of those rules seek to eliminate or reduce the luck factor as best as possible so that the outcome of a war reflects clan skill and team strategy as often as possible. This is known.

What you did goes against what everybody else has sought to do. You have tried to MAXIMIZE the luck factor. It's not that nobody understands. You're facing a much higher ranked/skilled clan and doing your best to increase the odds of a victory by decreasing skill-based outcomes. We get it. But then what? Then you win, but everybody knows why and how. Nothing changes except you go up the ladder and IA slides down because you intentionally luck-fucked them. That's what I think ahunda and others aren't appreciating.

Suppose you won this, then what? Then you do the same against AFOS/TNC? Then after that you do it against the Monkeys? I know that we're here to have fun and all that jazz, but you HAD to expect that people would get pissed about playing Doodle quads, right?

I just don't really understand why you seem so surprised that a couple of gamechats ended up less than friendly. You said, "All because I pointed out in an earlier post that two of his clan mates had soured the experience for us." That's kind of a weird thing to say when your map choice could have conceivably soured the experience for every IA player. That's like signing up for a chess tournament but forcing your opponent to play rock-paper-scissors and wondering why they get pissed.

I don't really care and I don't want to debate you on anything I said, I'm just not understanding this "what are they all so mad about?" attitude that you seem to be adopting. Either you're naive, or stupid, or just not really taking responsibility for your approach to this war. Man up, boss.