Chariot of Fire wrote:Pirlo missed his turn while holding a 3-card-set. Any chance of redemption for Team 2 in
Game 12351905 was lost with that missed turn; something that was entirely within Kort's power to control. It's indeed unfortunate that Jane's turn timed out due to a site bug, but by that stage the play was defensive and desperate. Fenrir, with a trade, would have taken the alternative option of killing pink for his cards instead of orange for his. Trades were still relatively low (no comparison to Forbidden City where a friendly kill won us the game) and so the position would have been 1 player on Team 2 with a trade and 3 players on Team 1 with trades. These are the facts. Any notion that X could have killed Y and earned a trade is just supposition. He may have tried and he may have succeeded or he may have failed, just as Fen may have failed going for pink instead of orange. We'll just never know.
Pirlo's missed turn is our mistake and we continued the game normally living with that mistake. We lowered our position with the miss, so we are guilty for that. But even with the miss, we had good chances, before the glitch had happened. I checked Fenrir with a set would have 88% odds for killing pink, and in case of fail KORT would take initiative. Even cowboyz could kill Pirlo and got 2 cards set, all that for 12%. If Fen went on pink and made success, still not lost. Sets are 10,12 and ballenus has decent chance for kill cowboyz, get 2 sets and have chained run on Green and after that red or blue. So both in cases Fenrir kills Pirlo (more likely) or fails (less likely) we still had decent chance of winning.
Also, I see you are speaking about Pirlo's miss. He posted in our forum that he lost internet connection when he was planning to take the turn, and then fall asleep in waiting for connection to be back due to being exhausted by hard work that day. Ok, those are his reasons but that is irrelevant in my argument. So, what is relevant in my argument? Relevant is that we do not share passwords among ourselves in cases of missing players in actions. Our players have like 2/3 designated sitters, and in Pirlo's case it happened his sitters weren't online when the time came low. Both me and denthefrog who are not his sitters were online and were seeing how the turn are going to be missed. If KORT is like TOFU, that players share passwords to the one person who is the most often online, we would not have 9 misses in the war (including the Pirlo's miss) compared with 2 misses in the war by TOFU. I personally have witnesses several of those misses while I was being online. But we are not like you, we share our passwords by rules, our Moderators for example do not give Moderator password to normal players in case of missing in action nor we have one player holding all passwords in case of any player missing in action. Judging by your sitting in Ardennes for Dako, you obviously have his password even when he is not absent, which I think is against the rules. As I already stated in this thread and in pm with Denise, I will officially check if that is legal doing, but after the war ends, because if any abuse is done by you, it will be your 3rd infraction and ban from the site, and my honor values are high enough to not cause your possible banning and our possible winning of the war because of the possible ban.
Chariot of Fire wrote:Also, I see in discussion that TOFU values this kind of win the same like our kind of win in 2010
Really? I don't see that anywhere. We value achievements that are deserved or earned. No-one likes a hollow victory. This particular game was destined for a TOFU win after the early exchanges and the position we were in when the glitch occurred. For you to try and call it otherwise is a particularly cheap shot, demeaning to the players involved and to the challenge as a whole. It would be akin to TOFU asking for a replay of
Game 12213226 where, despite your clear advantage and ability to win the game, you are purposefully prolonging the inevitable outcome. How would you feel if a glitch occurred in that game? Do you really think TOFU would request a replay? If so you are seriously misguided.
As you don't see it anywhere, I recommend you to either buy glasses for better sight, or you again read your clan mate statement where he is referring to the case from 2010:
comic boy wrote:You reap what you sew mate , if one thrives on gamesmanship then they should not expect to be given a sporting second chance , as I said , suck it up
Also, we would for sure not request any replay if that occurred in Cman game where we lost any chances. But in Egypt was different story, there we had many chances to win that game before the error occurred.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As I already stated, I think there is no TOFU who should have power to make decision, the game was screwed by site so site owners should be the ones to make final decision in the case. When there are request on the site for a game to be replayed for whatever reason, do site owners ask winning side if the game will be replayed, or site owners make their unbiased decision if the game will be replayed? As Rodion has already said, the bug is ultimately admins mistake, so there is admin who should make decision about how to solve consequences of his mistake, not players involved in games.
Yes, quite right. So please go elsewhere and beg them for a remake and don't come to us as "
there is no TOFU who should have power to make decision". So regrettably it is completely out of our control. Our statements to-date in this regard have merely been in response to questions asked from your side.
This is thread to chat about things related to this war, and I am doing so. I ask, state my opinion, and you also do so. So I do not see what is wrong with chatting in this thread about issues related to this war, which are only doings done by myself.
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:16 pm
