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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby jpeter15 on Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:35 pm

Gold Knight wrote:Which is why I like the implementation of the leap ladder recently, as in order to be the best you have to beat the best. Im sure this is a mentality that alot of people share, which is why the "perceptions" shown here more often than not show the results they do.


For the sake of argument, THOTA beat TSM, TOFU beat KORT, TSM just beat TOFU in a mini challenge, and if KORT beats THOTA, then we are looking at....

THOTA>TSM>TOFU>KORT>THOTA

Also, if you keep it only to the most recent challenges, TOFU beat KORT, so we leapfrog them to #2, but then if KORT beats THOTA just a couple months later, do they leapfrog TOFU and THOTA?

I like the idea of leapfrog in theory, but its tough in practice.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Gold Knight on Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:07 am

jpeter15 wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:Which is why I like the implementation of the leap ladder recently, as in order to be the best you have to beat the best. Im sure this is a mentality that alot of people share, which is why the "perceptions" shown here more often than not show the results they do.


For the sake of argument, THOTA beat TSM, TOFU beat KORT, TSM just beat TOFU in a mini challenge, and if KORT beats THOTA, then we are looking at....

THOTA>TSM>TOFU>KORT>THOTA

Also, if you keep it only to the most recent challenges, TOFU beat KORT, so we leapfrog them to #2, but then if KORT beats THOTA just a couple months later, do they leapfrog TOFU and THOTA?

I like the idea of leapfrog in theory, but its tough in practice.


Well i believe any ladder system in place will not make everyone happy (as seen in previous attempts), but I think this ladder at least gives clans below #2 an incentive to stay busy challenging up the ladder. I would also say that perhaps there should be something set for the #1 clan, maybe that they must challenge #2 or #3 as a "#1 contender" role, similar to boxing/MMA rankings. This would make sure that no clan make a large jump among the upper tier of clans, that they actually earn their way through other established clans before going for the #1 title. But this should probably be in the ladder thread...

And qwert, I completely disagree that TOFU has taken down clans of the same quality of THOTA outside of required tournament setups. Even the TOFU-KORT challenge where TOFU had more wins but officially lost is still a mess of a situation... In my opinion, I would put TOFU right with THOTA in terms of talent/skill as Ive played with both sides and know just how good they are. But based on results, TOFU hasnt gone into a big challenge against TSM, LOW, or other clans at their peak: this is no fault of TOFU's as I know alot of those types of clans declined challenges with them recently. And dont take this as Legion or AOC are slouches, because thats not the case at all and any clan needs to bring their A game to beat them. But its been pointed out several times the gap that exists after the first five or so clans.

Just to clarify again, this is no shot at TOFU and I believe they are on the same level with THOTA, and a challenge between the two seems inevitable. But I can see where THOTA says they want to see TOFU take on a clan in that elite tier to make sure they earn that spot. TOFU's overall resume over 7 challenges is very consistent and some wins are very impressive (including over my clan when we were at full strength), but they dont have that standout win(s) like THOTA has in the past year, which is why I feel they still deserve that #1 spot. This is a perception poll, and you are completely in your right to disagree with my view, but in that same light dont come and say
qwert wrote:I just say,that you are wrong
when I do base my view on the 2010 resumes.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:33 am

If both clans make it deep... there will be a rematch of KORT vs TOFU in the semis again... I am sure all the onlookers are ready for that to happen again.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Dako on Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:02 am

The other that, this time please.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Qwert on Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:42 am

You are very amazing- i dont understand why use "annually" word in title,if they dont want to use only results from these year.
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THOTA GAMES
WIN over The Spanking Monkeys 41-39 [2010-MAR]
WIN over z-Left4Dead 29-11 [2010-APR]
WIN over Nemesis 21-20 [2010-JUL]
WIN over Legends of War 33-27 [2010-NOV]
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TOFU games

WIN over Mythology 30-10 [2010-JAN]
WIN over Generation One: The Clan 25-15 [2010-JAN]
WIN over Angels of Death 42-18 [2010-APR]
WIN over The Brethren of the Fat Mermaid 29-11 [2010-APR]
WIN over ++The Legion++ 25-15 [2010-JUN]
WIN over Agents of Chaos 25-16 [2010-SEP]
WIN over Knights of the Round Table 32-28 [2010-DEC]
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here a games, and i must say TOFU had same quality opponents,even better then THOTA.
THOTA become to inactivity clan,because they refuse many clans,dont want to play.
Every 3 month 1 chalenge-realy these is away to be competitive clan. What will be in 2011?
3 month pass,and thota dont have any chalenge complete. Its look that you ignore meaning of word "annually". Ofcourse your defend of no1 clan will be " But we play great in 2008 and 2009 and we need to be no1 in 2010 and 2011, no matther we only play few chalenges"
Competition not work in these way,and definitly these is not boxing. Every year you need to defend no1 position, in many clan chalenges, and not to be no1 ,only to play few.
Ofcourse these is blitz thread, and THOTA need to be no1, because if not then these thread will be pointless for blitz.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby jpcloet on Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:07 am

Qwert take the top 2 opponents of each clan and rank those. I would say they are these. THOTA did beat the better opponents. However, the Nemesis result by THOTA does show some inconsistency as my perception would have them winning by more than 1. I would say TOFU's scores are more consistent, but they are clearly due for a bigger opponent.

TSM (THOTA beat)
LOW (THOTA beat)
KORT (TOFU beat)
AOC (TOFU beat)
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby danryan on Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:12 am

I'd say more than THOTA showing weakness the result against Nemesis showed how a smaller clan war can make for less "expected" outcomes. That, and Nemesis playing great. I'd say though that 2010 showed how strong THOTA was, beating both LOW and TSM. Those are both marquee wins.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Blitzaholic on Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:33 am

qwert wrote:You are very amazing- i dont understand why use "annually" word in title,if they dont want to use only results from these year.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
THOTA GAMES
WIN over The Spanking Monkeys 41-39 [2010-MAR]
WIN over z-Left4Dead 29-11 [2010-APR]
WIN over Nemesis 21-20 [2010-JUL]
WIN over Legends of War 33-27 [2010-NOV]
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TOFU games

WIN over Mythology 30-10 [2010-JAN]
WIN over Generation One: The Clan 25-15 [2010-JAN]
WIN over Angels of Death 42-18 [2010-APR]
WIN over The Brethren of the Fat Mermaid 29-11 [2010-APR]
WIN over ++The Legion++ 25-15 [2010-JUN]
WIN over Agents of Chaos 25-16 [2010-SEP]
WIN over Knights of the Round Table 32-28 [2010-DEC]
--------------------------------------------------------------------
here a games, and i must say TOFU had same quality opponents,even better then THOTA.
THOTA become to inactivity clan,because they refuse many clans,dont want to play.
Every 3 month 1 chalenge-realy these is away to be competitive clan. What will be in 2011?
3 month pass,and thota dont have any chalenge complete. Its look that you ignore meaning of word "annually". Ofcourse your defend of no1 clan will be " But we play great in 2008 and 2009 and we need to be no1 in 2010 and 2011, no matther we only play few chalenges"
Competition not work in these way,and definitly these is not boxing. Every year you need to defend no1 position, in many clan chalenges, and not to be no1 ,only to play few.
Ofcourse these is blitz thread, and THOTA need to be no1, because if not then these thread will be pointless for blitz.



qwert, you have no knowledge of clans, you continue to make yourself look silly. Seriously, stick to things you know, the clans and the awareness of them are out of your element.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Qwert on Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:52 am

yes,i know,these is your topic, and its normal that im not right. But try at least to play more then 4 chalenge in one year,otherwise you can become more and more inactive clan, and i doubth that you will again be no1 in 2011,with only 4 chalenge. But maybe im wrong, maybe you all ready decide that Thota in no1 in 2011,but its still to early to present results.
I hope that you will in future become more openly clan, like Tofu,who get more and more respect,because they dont afraid to play with everybody- weak,or most strogest clan.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby jpcloet on Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:03 am

People are simply asking you to get your facts correct. The average clan in 2010 played in 3.16 challenges. With gaming privileges, I expect that number will likely increase to about 4.0 range. 2008 and 2009 were both about 2.5 challenges per year.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:38 pm

Well, I can see qwert's point-of-view (of course I'll say that!). 2010 was a good time for us, going undefeated all year, posting some huge results in terms of score, and finishing with the best result in the clan league (and in the toughest division) on top of seven completed challenges. I don't think another clan comes close in 2010.

So it comes back to the age-old debate over 'Best Clan' and 'Best in Year ____'. I'd have to say THOTA are the No.1 clan (have never disputed that) and TOFU were the leading clan in 2010 and obviously present the greatest threat to THOTA's #1 status.

As for how Blitz goes about obtaining votes (by secret PM to select individuals) I still query what possessed him to approach someone in TOFU that was not a clan leader. Obviously a deliberate tactic as he's probably aware myself, Dako or jpeter would have given a different answer to that obtained from the member he approached and it might just have spoiled his stats. Let's face it, the guy will do anything to preserve his #1 status even if it means ranking TOFU at #6 as he's done in the past.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Blitzaholic on Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:07 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:Well, I can see qwert's point-of-view (of course I'll say that!). 2010 was a good time for us, going undefeated all year, posting some huge results in terms of score, and finishing with the best result in the clan league (and in the toughest division) on top of seven completed challenges. I don't think another clan comes close in 2010.

So it comes back to the age-old debate over 'Best Clan' and 'Best in Year ____'. I'd have to say THOTA are the No.1 clan (have never disputed that) and TOFU were the leading clan in 2010 and obviously present the greatest threat to THOTA's #1 status.

As for how Blitz goes about obtaining votes (by secret PM to select individuals) I still query what possessed him to approach someone in TOFU that was not a clan leader. Obviously a deliberate tactic as he's probably aware myself, Dako or jpeter would have given a different answer to that obtained from the member he approached and it might just have spoiled his stats. Let's face it, the guy will do anything to preserve his #1 status even if it means ranking TOFU at #6 as he's done in the past.



Cof, my results came out almost identical to chuuuuck's, so you should have NO complaints. You also will be involved later this year in November. I believed I ranked your clan 4th and at that time that I did, your clan played no one in the top 5, so you deserved nothing. If I ranked you 6th like you say, it was over a year ago when your clan really have not proved yourself to no one at that time. You have never really played a top 5 clan til recently, and they were against kort where it was very close and Tsm recently in a smaller challenge and you or tofu lost.

I will agree that tofu is a solid clan, but, they need to proof it by beating tsm, low, etc and you haven't, instead you farmed to beat a new clan 40 to 10 in which I predicted would happen to pad your stats and you made qwert do cart wheels, so you should be more than happy with the # 2 rank you got for 2010 from my perceptions and chuuuuck's power rankings and they both showed you were #2 and you never beat thota, low or tsm, and those were the 3 clans I had above your clan, and I think that was fair, however, most disagreed and ranked you or tofu #2 in both, so you should be more than happy.



jpcloet wrote:People are simply asking you to get your facts correct (qwert). The average clan in 2010 played in 3.16 challenges. With gaming privileges, I expect that number will likely increase to about 4.0 range. 2008 and 2009 were both about 2.5 challenges per year.


(qwert) emphasis mine

qwert again, you are out of your element and have no knowledge of clan activity, stick with things you know, you are out of your league here.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Dako on Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:38 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:Cof, my results came out almost identical to chuuuuck's, so you should have NO complaints.

That is the problem. They should not be the same. They are totally different. One is for 1 year, the rest is for the whole time.

Blitzaholic wrote:I will agree that tofu is a solid clan, but, they need to proof it by beating tsm, low, etc and you haven't, instead you farmed to beat a new clan 40 to 10 in which I predicted would happen to pad your stats and you made qwert do cart wheels

Pad our stats? Are you serious? And we have a secret plan with qwert to promote us? Ugh, I never thought we are that smart.
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby Rodion on Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:39 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:...challenge and you or tofu lost...

...ranked you or tofu #2 in both...


I wonder if that means what I think it means. O:)
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Re: Perception of Top 10 Clans [Annually]

Postby White Moose on Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:51 pm

Rodion wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:...challenge and you or tofu lost...

...ranked you or tofu #2 in both...


I wonder if that means what I think it means. O:)


Me too O:)
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