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Re: Clan Information and Lists

Postby hiddendragon on Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:26 am

where is BSS?
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Leehar on Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:14 pm

hiddendragon wrote:where is BSS?

Added.
I also added IA who I was actually told to add quite a few months ago. I sincerely apologize 8-[
O&H have been removed and AoC have been updated for the other changes

I'll try streamlining the thread a bit more soon. If anybody has anything to add, my inbox is open at all times, so feel free to send me any information you see fit.

Also, for the clans I haven't added yet, if you could give me a link, it would help things amazingly!
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:09 pm

This is an excellent concept Leehar - good luck with its upkeep.

One thing that I (and doubtless many others) would find useful would be a record of clans' results. This would then be the place to come whenever one of those exercises to determine seedings and/or a clan ladder is being undertaken, because right now I think the majority just gauge standings based on reputation without having all the facts to hand (no-one is going to do a background check on every single clan).

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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby danryan on Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:28 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:This is an excellent concept Leehar - good luck with its upkeep.

One thing that I (and doubtless many others) would find useful would be a record of clans' results. This would then be the place to come whenever one of those exercises to determine seedings and/or a clan ladder is being undertaken, because right now I think the majority just gauge standings based on reputation without having all the facts to hand (no-one is going to do a background check on every single clan).

Cheers, CoF


viewtopic.php?f=441&t=64025#p1595943

Here's the records of challenges, COF. It hasn't been updated too recently but I think that has to do with site upgrades to clans that are upcoming.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:01 pm

This is true Dan, thanks for alerting me to that. My guess is though that whatever new challenge results table is created will not take into consideration results outside what constitute a challenge, e.g. big tournies, CLA and such like. So I'm still pretty keen on Leehar's Clanpedia concept as everything pertinent to a clan, inc all results, can be seen at a glance.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Leehar on Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:22 am

Yeah, I was a bit hesitant to step on jpc's or Marvals toes since they are the clan directors which is why I didn't want to redo stuff that they've already done. But if we can really get stats for all the clans (similar to what was in that Tofu anniversary thread you had Simon) it might really be worthwhile.
However, I'm still worried about getting the OP overcrowded, it's not fun when you have to go through lines of stuff looking for what you want, so I'm still looking at ways to present this a bit better as well.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby jpcloet on Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:36 am

A clan database has been requested for war results.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Foxglove on Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:49 am

jpcloet wrote:A clan database has been requested for war results.


Does requested mean "actually being developed now and will be available sometime in the foreseeable future"? :)
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby jpcloet on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:36 am

Requested means requested, along with a me giving a definition of fields etc. Not sure where it falls on the new programmers list.

Does "foreseeable" mean within the next year? ;)
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby amazzony on Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:27 am

The moment I saw the title of this topic I found it an extremely good idea. Yeah, the fact that I notice it like over a month later than it was posted shows that I haven't visited these forums for awhile now so I'm going to apologise ahead if I'm repeating something that has already been told somewhere else or goes against the future plans of clan section of CC.

So, my vision might be a bit different than Leehar's but I thought that I'll post it anyway because if somebody is going to pursue this idea further (either OP or somebody else) then I think it could be something really really useful in the future both to people new to clans and to anybody who wants to look up past data about whatever clan.

Anyways, I see Clanpedia (thanks, CoF!) like a real encyclopedia with data about every single clan that has ever existed in CC (and well, in the future perhaps about every Social group also. Socpedia? :P). It could be started with a little data about each clan: name, abbrevations, date of establishing, link to recruiting topic and member list, short 3-4 sentence description (from recruitment topic, member list page or from a clan leader), clan leader(s). In time when there are several contributers to the Clanpedia who have time to update it once per month, perhaps add clan wars info (not sure about it because they are already in a separate topic), number of members, tournament wins (basically the stuff that TOFU anniversary topic had). Maybe write a short history of the clan, add leaders and list of members.

Just some ideas that could be added if there are people willing to work on it. As said, I find it a very interesting idea and I think that a good Clan Chronicle/Clanpedia would be a good addition to the site.

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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:24 am

Very nicely written zonny (you may want to do the write-up for your own clan!). I'd be happy to put together a bio on TOFU and would like to think heads/members of other clans are prepared to do similar so that it can all be found in one easy location (maintained by Leehar).
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby jpcloet on Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:49 am

The first few issues of the Newsletter had some really foundational pieces on clans. Over time, leveraging that resource could also help produce some results.

Eg. Imperial Dragoons:

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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby amazzony on Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:19 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:Very nicely written zonny (you may want to do the write-up for your own clan!). I'd be happy to put together a bio on TOFU and would like to think heads/members of other clans are prepared to do similar so that it can all be found in one easy location (maintained by Leehar).

Thanks! I think you are right, all the active clans would have no problem collecting data for their clan and putting together a summary. Though, first I think somekind of "form" should be created so all clans would have similar data. Of course, it might vary a bit due to differences between clans but a simple form should be the same for all of them for 2 reasons. First it would be easier to manage for Leehar and secondly when somebody is looking for data about different clans then there's an easy system. Don't know if I was able to explain my point enough but I can try to explain more if needed.

jpcloet wrote:The first few issues of the Newsletter had some really foundational pieces on clans. Over time, leveraging that resource could also help produce some results.

Eg. Imperial Dragoons:

viewtopic.php?f=430&t=88261


This made me think that one point in Clanpedia could be "references" or whatever they are called. Basically they would be links to newsletter and to other places/topics where the clan is mentioned.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby Leehar on Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:37 am

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Chariot of Fire wrote:Very nicely written zonny (you may want to do the write-up for your own clan!). I'd be happy to put together a bio on TOFU and would like to think heads/members of other clans are prepared to do similar so that it can all be found in one easy location (maintained by Leehar).

Thanks! I think you are right, all the active clans would have no problem collecting data for their clan and putting together a summary. Though, first I think somekind of "form" should be created so all clans would have similar data. Of course, it might vary a bit due to differences between clans but a simple form should be the same for all of them for 2 reasons. First it would be easier to manage for Leehar and secondly when somebody is looking for data about different clans then there's an easy system. Don't know if I was able to explain my point enough but I can try to explain more if needed.

Yeah, the template would perhaps be pretty similar to those headings in the Tofu anniversary thread. That seperation was something I really liked was something I really liked.
And if clans are really willing to put together a more comprehensive bio on themselves which will really help give people a sense of who they are and what they're about than it can only be a positive

amazzony wrote:
jpcloet wrote:The first few issues of the Newsletter had some really foundational pieces on clans. Over time, leveraging that resource could also help produce some results.

Eg. Imperial Dragoons:

viewtopic.php?f=430&t=88261


This made me think that one point in Clanpedia could be "references" or whatever they are called. Basically they would be links to newsletter and to other places/topics where the clan is mentioned.

I have actually been thinking of compiling some of those articles that have been published in the articles. Even the feedback given about different wars going on has always been of interest.

amazzony wrote:The moment I saw the title of this topic I found it an extremely good idea. Yeah, the fact that I notice it like over a month later than it was posted shows that I haven't visited these forums for awhile now...
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Thanks, and better late than never ;)
and don't demean yourself by calling it a rant, it's good that you're willing and able to give helpful suggestions
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Encyclopedia?)

Postby amazzony on Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:22 pm

Leehar wrote:
amazzony wrote:The moment I saw the title of this topic I found it an extremely good idea. Yeah, the fact that I notice it like over a month later than it was posted shows that I haven't visited these forums for awhile now...
.../rant

Thanks, and better late than never ;)
and don't demean yourself by calling it a rant, it's good that you're willing and able to give helpful suggestions


If you need help with making the template then drop me a line, I'm quite familiar with the possibilities that different forum tags do so I might be able to help out. Also, as you noticed, I had some ideas (how helpful they are is up to you) so we can try to put together a form together and then see where it leads :)
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby BoganGod on Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:23 pm

Standard acronym for The Brethren of the Fat Mermaid, is generally BoFM. That is what the Clan Rank add on uses for us as well. Works for me :)
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:38 pm

Dynasty isn't on the list either. I believe we use DYN.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby Leehar on Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:46 pm

BoganGod wrote:Standard acronym for The Brethren of the Fat Mermaid, is generally BoFM. That is what the Clan Rank add on uses for us as well. Works for me :)

Yeah, with spoilers it capitalizes everything so I've inserted it, just not sure about it's accuracy (with regard to being instantly recognized as your brethren).
Pretty weird really since you leave out 'the' but leave in 'of', while clans like Thota, Tofu and Tsm leaves 'the' in there acronym ;)
But who am I really to go over the semantics of acronyms and abbreviations :P
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Leehar wrote:
amazzony wrote:The moment I saw the title of this topic I found it an extremely good idea. Yeah, the fact that I notice it like over a month later than it was posted shows that I haven't visited these forums for awhile now...
.../rant

Thanks, and better late than never ;)
and don't demean yourself by calling it a rant, it's good that you're willing and able to give helpful suggestions


If you need help with making the template then drop me a line, I'm quite familiar with the possibilities that different forum tags do so I might be able to help out. Also, as you noticed, I had some ideas (how helpful they are is up to you) so we can try to put together a form together and then see where it leads :)

Yeah, I've got some thoughts regarding some other issues that I've been thinking about so I just need to find out how they will be going as well.
But if you can start something workable (with all those suggestions you had), I'm sure we can try to implement it, and maybe start sending it of to clan leaders to see what they can do with it.
safariguy5 wrote:Dynasty isn't on the list either. I believe we use DYN.

I'll work on getting you in, I've yet to actually even include all the clans in the power rankings :(
But thanks for the message, you'll be first on the 'to-add' list ;) :P
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:17 pm

A friendly word of advice before you start your template. If you were considering including tourney wins for individual clan members you might find yourself with a full-time occupation just keeping it all up-to-date due to the volume of tournaments hosted on this site. There is however probably scope to include tourneys which are clan-related as they don't number so many.

So you should probably display information that only requires once-a-month maintenance to alleviate the burden of keeping it contemporary. If there's too much info yet it's not up-to-date then viewers will soon lose interest.

Off the top of my head something like the following springs to mind:

Clan Name : The Odd Fellows Union
Abbreviation : TOFU
Founded : 28th July 2009
Motto : In Odd We Trust
Members [a drop down list, showing clan heads and members and, if they wish, a small bio]
Record [another drop down, listing achievements year by year]
Links [a drop down with links to clan-related info, e.g. recruitment thread, etc]

This format keeps it to just seven lines and the post listing all clans won't look too cluttered (it could be six if 'TOFU' is simply put behind the full name which would be ok). Alternatively each clan's name is a clicky drop down and that way it's just one line per clan when displayed - that's probably better still.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby andy_is_awesome on Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:05 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:Off the top of my head something like the following springs to mind:

Clan Name : The Odd Fellows Union
Abbreviation : TOFU
Founded : 28th July 2009
Motto : In Odd We Trust
Members [a drop down list, showing clan heads and members and, if they wish, a small bio]
Record [another drop down, listing achievements year by year]
Links [a drop down with links to clan-related info, e.g. recruitment thread, etc]

I like this :D
To keep member lists up to date, could you use a screen cap of the clan map rank?
It lists all the current players and their statistics. It might save time to screen cap and paste IMG? if that's possible.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby 4 U 2 NV on Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:12 pm

The Imperial Dragoons have a new thread up - New Thread

it offers the most recent information.

thanks Leehar
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby amazzony on Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:07 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:A friendly word of advice before you start your template. If you were considering including tourney wins for individual clan members you might find yourself with a full-time occupation just keeping it all up-to-date due to the volume of tournaments hosted on this site. There is however probably scope to include tourneys which are clan-related as they don't number so many.

Oh yeah, I know exactly what you mean as G1 is probably very close the top of tournament win list :D It will be hard to decide which tournament wins should be counted or not so I think in the end they should be kept out. It can be included as an optional thing (number of tournaments wins per clan/number of tournaments organised) about clans who keep track of it themselves so it wouldn't be the job of the Clanpedia Master to keep that data up to date but the clan leader's/representative's work to give that data.
Main data about each clan could be on the first post and all the optional stuff could be put to next posts with references/links/whatever. Just a way to keep the main post clear and simple but if people have interest in more info then they can find it from an appropriate place.

I like the form you made but I would add there Conq. Cup and Clan League results. I don't think there's a point to re-put all the clan wars but if there are few short lines about CCup and League then it would already give some idea of the strenght of the clan. So, it would be like athletes have their best results next to their bio. Perhaps we could have something along those lines and besides the 2 mentioned events it could add have "most impressive clan war win". yeah, i know, it's not a value based on fact but it could be also something that either a clan leader submits or.... Actually, JP's ranking thing could be taken as a base for it. So, the "Most Impressive Clan War Win" would be something like "Highest Ranking Clan Won". Alright, my English sucks so I don't know how it should be called but I hope my point got through :D

About member list. I'd add to the form a link to the... Erm... Well, this I would add to the form.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby amazzony on Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:12 am

Sorry about double post but I kinda felt that this is a whole new subject so I wanted to create new post for it :oops:

Leehar wrote:Yeah, I've got some thoughts regarding some other issues that I've been thinking about so I just need to find out how they will be going as well.
But if you can start something workable (with all those suggestions you had), I'm sure we can try to implement it, and maybe start sending it of to clan leaders to see what they can do with it.

I'll work on it :) I think CoF gave a good example so I'll just use it as a bases for mine and perhaps make some examples with a few clans but it will take some time because my list of To-Do is like this: 1. Catch killer bee who has invaded my apartment and probably is building a nest there :roll: 2. Work on next Special Event :D 3. Do this clan thing.
Of course, as number 1 on my list isn't something that I want to do and 2nd one doesn't take too much time then I might get to number 3 today after work.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:33 am

so it wouldn't be the job of the Clanpedia Master


Henceforth to be known as the Clanpediator.

Any fan of the thread would, in essence, be a clanpediaphile. Somehow I don't think it will catch on, lol.
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Re: Clan Information and Lists (Clanpedia?)

Postby Dako on Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:55 am

Tournament info can be maintained be the clan leader (or representative) and can be send to clanpediaphile on a regular basis (if they are interested in keeping that info up to date).
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