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good analogy JP, I like it

josko.ri wrote:

ljex wrote:They can claim my own biased for them as a clan all they want as the reason why I say this but if they could provide any actual reason for why they are number 3 i would be surprised.

well, win vs G1 29-11. nobody ever won vs G1 with so huge difference except THOTA.

25-15 vs Empire, nobody ever has beat Empire with so huge difference. not forget, Empire was #3 clan on that time.

win vs TOFU, but even if you consider it loss 28-32, if loosing with so small difference vs #2 clan, then what seed we deserve with that result? #3 or #20?

win vs TSM 10-8 group stage of league.

20-20 vs THOTA after 2 batches. dont you think that tie vs #1 seed is enough to be #3?

win vs LoW in playoff of league (still not over, but it will be several days from now, with my prediction of 12-7 result or the least 11-8 for kort)

is it enough reason(s)?

of top 8 clans, 4 were beaten by us without a loss, plus tie vs THOTA right now. what more do we need to be #3 seed? do you know anyone seeded behind us with better results than us in recent period?

You do realize that I view 19 game sets as meaningless right? As they should be...that is not nearly enough games to say you are better than a clan.

Beyond that nemesis played thota 20-20 in the first 40 games but i dont see them ranked #3 in fact they are barely a top 10 clan.

Also empire was not number 3...we were number 3 in the cup but that was because TSM sat out so we were really number 4. Beyond that the difference between 3 and 4 were so minimal they should be treated the same and LOW was under-ranked at the time because they had just lost to FOED shortly before.

Lets not forget your tie with G1 either if you are going to talk about the 29-11 match you won against them...besides the fact that I think of G1 as an overrated clan.

I would put LOW (for sure) IA (probably) and TSM (Maybe) in front of you if i was ranking clans I just don't see you as the 3rd best clan on the site.

Come on Blitz. Start a Top 10 popularity poll.

ljex wrote:Beyond that nemesis played thota 20-20 in the first 40 games but i dont see them ranked #3 in fact they are barely a top 10 clan.

every clan can have one extra good/bad result. from your analogy, if Arsenal lost from team from 4th english league in FA cup, does then that team deserve to be in Champions league instead of Arsenal? it s the same analogy with Nemesis/Thota. everyone can have one good/bad match(clan war) but ranking is determined on much miore matches than only that one, so you cannot take Nemesis vs Thota like merit for Thota rankings, it is only one match, while I wrote about 5-6 matches where KORT was very successfull. G1 tie was our first clan war ever played, and the fact that first was tie and then 29-11 in other match, proves that we were rapidly increasing our power. if 19 game set is too low for some merit, then you should see KORT vs TSM+LoW, both in clan league. result probably 21-16 or 20-17 for kort. 37 games also not enough to make some merit?

also, if you consider our lats consecutive 4 challenges vs TOFU, THOTA, TSM, LOW, 4 the greatest ranked clans if not count KORT, then you will see we have positive score from these matches. and that is total of 40+60+19+18= 137 matches. are 137 matches enough to make some conclusions? not fortget, we won more games in that 137 matches than lost. if we have more wins in 137 matches vs #1 #2 #4 #5 then we deserve at least #3 seed.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Come on Blitz. Start a Top 10 popularity poll.

How about a Bottom 10 Popularity Poll

Boy this thread has been busy.

jpeter15 wrote:Based on what I have seen in our mini challenge with them, TSM is definitely a top 4 clan. It comes back to what the rankings are meant for... TSM is top 4 in skill and talent,

Thanks jp - glad some of the older monkis could turn in better results against you than I could.

TOFU is a great clan. I started editing the clan section of the Dispatch just when monkis had missed out by a game on beating THOTA. As the monkis recouped I really thought the big story of my time as editor - SHAMELESS PLUG: all new clan team ups the coverage - CC Dispatch [Issue 43 01-03-11] Another Saxy Edition! - would be the rise of TOFU to a head-to-head with THOTA to prove if we would have new or old champs. Kind of disappointed that fate took us a different way, but there is a lot to speculate on now.

THOTA have been telling us a while how hard it is to be number one - I think we see now how hard it is to be no. 2 or no.3 or no. anything - there is so much clan competition to try to excel in. Can TOFU keep up their momentum? KORT sure have exceeded what a lot of folks were expecting for them, just what can they do in the CC finals? How will monkis play now we are back from a break? ....

One thought I have on longer challenges telling the difference between two clans. No question they reduce the element of luck in results that you'll always get in a random cube game. But longer challenges are a test of stamina and diversity as well as skill. They benefit bigger clans or clans with a group of very active players who can master a whole range of maps and settings. One of the reasons THOTA are so good at comebacks is that they just have so many elite players. Doesn't go well in the first set? Mix up the ponies and charge again.

CoF's idea of a league without playoffs like the English premiership or so many European football leagues is a really interesting one.

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Laugh back in the tree, i want a coffee..

Just wondering if there will be another Power Ranking done in July as there was last year?

jigger1986 wrote:Just wondering if there will be another Power Ranking done in July as there was last year?

Yes, I will probably prepare to ask for votes again in early July and hopefully have a ranking out by late July

Thanks for the quick response Chuck.

chuuuuck since its july again is the power rankings gonna get updated every 5 months or every feb and july each year?

Okay boys and girls,

I am ready to start gathering votes for another Power Rankings. First thing I will need is two volunteers who will look over the votes and my calculations with me. I reserve the right to pick anyone I choose for this, not necessarily the first two who say they will do it. As a volunteer you really don't need to do much except look at all of the votes with me to make sure we don't think anyone is intentionally trying to skew results and then look over the calculations in the end to make sure I did not make any errors. I will need to trust you that you do not share any of the votes with anyone else on this site. We have made it through two rounds of voting already with relatively little bickering about "I can't believe (so and so) voted this way" and I would like to keep it that way. I would prefer my volunteers to be from established clans who have been around the clan scene for a while so they are knowledgeable about who is who.

As soon as I have two volunteers set up, I will draft up a PM and start collecting votes.

Thank you to everyone who has participated in the past to make this a worthwhile endeavor and I hope to have even more participation this time around.

Chuuuuck wrote:Okay boys and girls,

I am ready to start gathering votes for another Power Rankings. First thing I will need is two volunteers who will look over the votes and my calculations with me. I reserve the right to pick anyone I choose for this, not necessarily the first two who say they will do it. As a volunteer you really don't need to do much except look at all of the votes with me to make sure we don't think anyone is intentionally trying to skew results and then look over the calculations in the end to make sure I did not make any errors. I will need to trust you that you do not share any of the votes with anyone else on this site. We have made it through two rounds of voting already with relatively little bickering about "I can't believe (so and so) voted this way" and I would like to keep it that way. I would prefer my volunteers to be from established clans who have been around the clan scene for a while so they are knowledgeable about who is who.

As soon as I have two volunteers set up, I will draft up a PM and start collecting votes.

Thank you to everyone who has participated in the past to make this a worthwhile endeavor and I hope to have even more participation this time around.

First of all, thank you for running this - I'm sure we all appreciate your time for doing this

Wouldn't it make sense to nominate people like Masli, who are not clan affiliated at this time, knowledgeable about the clan scene and shouldn't have any bias?

Masli would be a great choice.

I can help you out Chuck, now that we are no longer in the same clan.

Sorry for the delay in this. I expect PMs to go out in the next day or so. I will also PM Masli to see if he minds looking everything over unless he responds here.

Chuuuuck wrote:Sorry for the delay in this. I expect PMs to go out in the next day or so. I will also PM Masli to see if he minds looking everything over unless he responds here.

Hey Chuuuuck,

I won't mind! However, I'm currently on vacation and probably won't have internet access next week. I will be happy to help out when I return from my vacation, that is on the 17th!

Great. Masli and Leehar will be copied on all votes and they will check over the data for any errors I make as well as review votes with me looking for anyone trying to intentionally skew the results. Expect PMs soon.

Chuuuuck wrote:Great. Masli and Leehar will be copied on all votes and they will check over the data for any errors I make as well as review votes with me looking for anyone trying to intentionally skew the results. Expect PMs soon.

Any update on when we'll start this?

Is this a little redundant? With FarangDemon's Clan Ranking system showing good signs of being accepted by a lot of clans, and in use for the ACC.

They are different and PR is kind of awesome on its own. But it is damn hard to organize it.

BoganGod wrote:Is this a little redundant? With FarangDemon's Clan Ranking system showing good signs of being accepted by a lot of clans, and in use for the ACC.

Just because a TO uses it in a tournament does not make it "accepted". I appreciate what FD is doing but his rankings put way too much emphasis on recent wars and win percentage (this is not the place for this discussion so I will leave it at this). This is a fun exercise by chuuuuck. I have always enjoyed it. But let's not get too caught up in the "officialness" of it all and just enjoy everyone's opinions.

Agreed, both systems have their own place, and I really enjoy these rankings as much as I do Farangs. The Power Rankings help to "legitimize" lower clans and reward successes seen in a mathematical system (such as FDs) by having the clan world as a whole recognize a clans development over time. I do however think it is much less effective for the top 5 or so clans, as the matches are so close that it really is a matter of opinion who is best. But for a clan like mine (GR) moving up 4-5 spots is great to see, and is a big morale boost overall to see that advancement.

With that being said....is there any timeline on the pms being sent for rankings? Or have I just not gotten one bc Im not cool enough?

While we wait... here is my top 10. I am going to leave out KORT so I cannot be accused of being Bias.

THOTA
TSM
Empire
TOFU
LoW
AOC
FOED
IA
BFM
NEM

Good list Bruce. I must say I've always favoured transparency when these lists are compiled. There have been some shocking choices made in the past and I believe a clan should have to account for its decision rather than slip something in under the veil of anonymity.