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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:21 pm

division F look most heavy.
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby chapcrap on Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:18 pm

qwert wrote:division F look most heavy.

Is your mom's name Division F?
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby John Deere on Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:57 am

chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:division F look most heavy.

Is your mom's name Division F?

Dang it Chap! Now he is gonna spend 2 months trying to translate....... :D :lol:
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby jetsetwilly on Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:27 am

Well done to everyone involved in finally getting this off the ground. It's been a long hard slog but it will be worth it ! We are raring to go :)
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:47 am

chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:division F look most heavy.

Is your mom's name Division F?

hmm, i dont understand meaning of your post- i put you on foe,and you can explane your self via PM.
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby chapcrap on Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:05 pm

qwert wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:division F look most heavy.

Is your mom's name Division F?

hmm, i dont understand meaning of your post- i put you on foe,and you can explane your self via PM.

:lol: It was just a joke qwert. No reason to foe me.

Love you!
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby Teflon Kris on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:57 pm

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josko.ri wrote:
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DJ Teflon wrote:Format Finalisation - Given that We Have 39 Clans

Phase One

    Four Groups of 6 Clans (Divisions A,B, C, D)
    Three Groups of 5 (Divisions E, F, G)

Clans in Divisions E to G will all automatically be awarded 1 point (and 9 game wins and losses) in view of equalising qualification possibilities for Phase Two vis-a-vis clans in larger Divisions playing one extra round.





can just groups with more clans 'delete' pts gained from encounter against the last positioned clan at the end of division?

I agree. with this solution clans in groups of 5 will be handicapped because everyone wil achieve the best results vs the last clan in any group.

I agree with josko. I don't know that I have a solution, but that method isn't fair.


We're sticking with the original 1 point adjustment, its too late to change after the draw.

I think the group with my clan and RJ's will be grumpiest about this. Imagine the furore if we change the adjustment now that our clans are in a tricky group.

:lol:

Anyway, its very tricky to arrange a system with an awkward number of clans, especially when you wish to get as many as possible involved. Feel free to post comments (or get your rep to post comments) in the cla discussion about next year's CL. One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby lordnex on Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:20 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Anyway, its very tricky to arrange a system with an awkward number of clans, especially when you wish to get as many as possible involved. Feel free to post comments (or get your rep to post comments) in the cla discussion about next year's CL. One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...


UEFA, FIFA and various other sport organizations usually use the rule mentioned by benga in the situations like this (IE - when best of all 2nd placed teams need to qualify) - disregard the results against last placed team in groups with extra team. I see no reason not to implement it in the future (if now is to late for CL4).
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby Teflon Kris on Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:22 pm

lordnex wrote:
DJ Teflon wrote:Anyway, its very tricky to arrange a system with an awkward number of clans, especially when you wish to get as many as possible involved. Feel free to post comments (or get your rep to post comments) in the cla discussion about next year's CL. One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...


UEFA, FIFA and various other sport organizations usually use the rule mentioned by benga in the situations like this (IE - when best of all 2nd placed teams need to qualify) - disregard the results against last placed team in groups with extra team. I see no reason not to implement it in the future (if now is to late for CL4).


Do they?

A lot of UEFA qualifications involve 2nd place in smaller groups having play-offs.

Anyway, another idea for the discussion thread mentionned above
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby chapcrap on Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:28 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...

I think a system like that would be ideal. It would also make people sign up faster.
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby eddie2 on Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:17 am

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DJ Teflon wrote:One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...

I think a system like that would be ideal. It would also make people sign up faster.


or you could make it that the sign up rules are actually stuck to like the arguement we had over me asking for a few extra sign up days. which by the way since clans signed up on the day of the draw was 1 day after when i asked to contact yourselves so 4 days late. but am glad to see the clans not added till the draw took place are within the sign up rules :lol: :lol: . and trust me i did not go looking for this.

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Participants must be CLA-eligible members meaning they have completed at least one 40+ challenge and adhere to the 1 competitive clan rule.

aka have been drawn with WAR
war= a break away clan from risk attackers. who have not yet completed a challenge (although close to it.)
Otpisani = (this is a break away clan from the old nemisis only break away because not all members and new 1's added.) this clan have only just formed and have not even played 1 clan war game yet.

don't get me wrong i have no complaints as i was all in favour of the pack being allowed into ccup which they were not because they were 1 week off there 2nd challenge completion. but most clans were against pack getting in because they were not eligible under the complete war rules.
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby Teflon Kris on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:33 am

Had we not extended the deadline we would still have had an awkward number of clans, hence the extension, for practical reasons, in the hope of reaching the next convenient divisible number (40).

WAR and Optisani were added as their status was in the spirit of the requirements. Given the experience in clan war organising of the parties concerned, we are confident they will be able to compete effectively without a risk of dropping-out etc., as opposed to being entirely new clans which may easily over-extend themselves entering a long tournament. I will bring this point up in the cla discussions however, so that the cla democratically decides whether the clan requirements are rigidly adhered to, or whether tournament organisers can use their discretion in cases such as these.

Neither of these two clans submitted an application then threatened to withdraw if they didn't like the look of the rules. Instead they read through the rules first and made a commitment. In your instance, eddie, you threatened you may withdraw when you eventually would get round to reading the rules. Several options were at our disposal in response to this approach. We used our discretion to determine that you could remain as a 2nd contact for AKA - we could have used our discretion more harshly and not allowed you to be a contact at all or even rejected AKA entirely.

I am sure that the majority of the clan community will agree that in the case of AKA, WAR and Optisani we used our discretion reasonably.

As stated, your thoughts will be considered in CLA discussions for next season.

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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby hmsps on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:39 am

There is no chance of us missing a turn never mind dropping out.

Eddie2 do you just go looking for things to stir things up/make trouble?

We would have finished our first clan war weeks ago but as the result was beyond doubt, the opposition seem to be dragging their heels by running the clock right down before they play turns or indeed missing turns.

I hope you guys make the right decision and keep us in :x
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby Teflon Kris on Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:06 am

hmsps wrote:There is no chance of us missing a turn never mind dropping out.

Eddie2 do you just go looking for things to stir things up/make trouble?

We would have finished our first clan war weeks ago but as the result was beyond doubt, the opposition seem to be dragging their heels by running the clock right down before they play turns or indeed missing turns.

I hope you guys make the right decision and keep us in :x


There is no decision to be made, question of changing things at this point - WAR are in.

Good luck WAR

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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby eddie2 on Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:54 am

hmsps wrote:There is no chance of us missing a turn never mind dropping out.

Eddie2 do you just go looking for things to stir things up/make trouble?

We would have finished our first clan war weeks ago but as the result was beyond doubt, the opposition seem to be dragging their heels by running the clock right down before they play turns or indeed missing turns.

I hope you guys make the right decision and keep us in :x



i did not say to remove you hmsps i was just saying about the fact of how they were 100 percent sure they would not change any rule for sign ups. refusing me a extension until the 4th to get confirmation. then they not only extend sign ups till the 5th but put clans in from outside the acceptance level. there must of been talk of your entry to cl4 when i asked for the extra time to get confirmation from clan. so they could of allowed the extra couple of days that was originally asked for instead of all this hassle.
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby jpcloet on Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:59 am

chapcrap wrote:
DJ Teflon wrote:One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...

I think a system like that would be ideal. It would also make people sign up faster.


I think this is a good idea. Although if clans have a process to vote to join within their clan, then they still may take the same amount of time to make the decision regardless.
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby WPBRJ on Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:29 am

eddie2 wrote:
hmsps wrote:There is no chance of us missing a turn never mind dropping out.

Eddie2 do you just go looking for things to stir things up/make trouble?

We would have finished our first clan war weeks ago but as the result was beyond doubt, the opposition seem to be dragging their heels by running the clock right down before they play turns or indeed missing turns.

I hope you guys make the right decision and keep us in :x



i did not say to remove you hmsps i was just saying about the fact of how they were 100 percent sure they would not change any rule for sign ups. refusing me a extension until the 4th to get confirmation. then they not only extend sign ups till the 5th but put clans in from outside the acceptance level. there must of been talk of your entry to cl4 when i asked for the extra time to get confirmation from clan. so they could of allowed the extra couple of days that was originally asked for instead of all this hassle.


EDDIE STOP ALREADY ENOUGH is ENOUGH

Eddie when you signed up to the league you agreed to the rules and one of those rules

Decisions of the League Directors and Division Director are final .

Clans submitting entry to the league are deemed to have agreed to the rules.


that means we have the right to change any thing we want for the good of the league. if you would like to discus this further we can talk via PM also just remember you are a guest in this league and its a CLA sanctioned event and you are not a member of the CLA but we extend the sign ups to non members for the good of the site. you are in clear violation of these rules by all of these nonsense posts so stop the posting in the clan league threads go some were else and spew your garbage.

You have done nothing over the last week but spam, complain, and done every thing you possibly could do to try and derail this event and i am getting very tiered of it and i think every MOD, CD, and CC representatives think the same thing. we have done nothing but be nice to you we have went out of our way to make you happy we explained every thing you asked about all 1 million PMs . Just stop there is a lot of people in and behind this event you are the only one trying to kill it why stop the bull shit were all tiered of it . next year i wont make the same mistake i did this year. ya the mistake was not that i dint give you extra time the mistake was i had enough info with your PMs to just reject your registration and i would have had the support from CLA and CC to do so.

ACTUALLY if you have nothing positive to the league to offer just don't post we are not interested in your garbage any more you have zero support in your bid to derail this event

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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby Qwert on Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:12 am

lordnex wrote:
DJ Teflon wrote:Anyway, its very tricky to arrange a system with an awkward number of clans, especially when you wish to get as many as possible involved. Feel free to post comments (or get your rep to post comments) in the cla discussion about next year's CL. One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...


UEFA, FIFA and various other sport organizations usually use the rule mentioned by benga in the situations like this (IE - when best of all 2nd placed teams need to qualify) - disregard the results against last placed team in groups with extra team. I see no reason not to implement it in the future (if now is to late for CL4).

Yes lordnex are correct, its rule are easy to implement,and you can very fast to calculate results.
I think that add 1 points to teams in 5 member league,are wrong,because you can have situation where in these group some clan,can have all loses,but still have 1 points,and in group with 6 teams -clan can have all loses but will have zero points, and these is wrong.

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two fact you have all ready clear-Winner of all 7 groups move to division 1,and 4 last teams in A,B,C,D move to last division.
Now from group ABCD you only need to remove results,what teams in position 2-3-4-5 have with last team,and you will get equal score division with EFG. Simple and easy.
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Re: Format Finalisation

Postby jetsetwilly on Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:48 pm

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DJ Teflon wrote:Anyway, its very tricky to arrange a system with an awkward number of clans, especially when you wish to get as many as possible involved. Feel free to post comments (or get your rep to post comments) in the cla discussion about next year's CL. One option in future may be that we cap numbers - for example, any clans joining after the 32nd aren't guaranteed a place until the 35th clan joins, etc ...


UEFA, FIFA and various other sport organizations usually use the rule mentioned by benga in the situations like this (IE - when best of all 2nd placed teams need to qualify) - disregard the results against last placed team in groups with extra team. I see no reason not to implement it in the future (if now is to late for CL4).

Yes lordnex are correct, its rule are easy to implement,and you can very fast to calculate results.
I think that add 1 points to teams in 5 member league,are wrong,because you can have situation where in these group some clan,can have all loses,but still have 1 points,and in group with 6 teams -clan can have all loses but will have zero points, and these is wrong.

here these can help you to understand.
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two fact you have all ready clear-Winner of all 7 groups move to division 1,and 4 last teams in A,B,C,D move to last division.
Now from group ABCD you only need to remove results,what teams in position 2-3-4-5 have with last team,and you will get equal score division with EFG. Simple and easy.


It's a simple and effective system and you would probably find that everyone would be ok with the change because it's definitely fairer but I'm equally sure that people would appreciate that it's not really appropriate to change the rules after you've done the draw. I guess it could be taken to the CLA but DJ Teflon & WPBRJ should decide if they want to do that.
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Postby Keefie on Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:54 pm

I would be all for a last minute change. Qwert's suggestion is a much better way.
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Re: Clan League Season 4 Sign Up's

Postby chemefreak on Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:51 am

If you have any suggestions on how next year's Clan League should be run please talk to your CLA representative. For now, the rules, format, etc. of this Clan League are all decided upon. Thanks.

Also, since sign-ups are over, go to the link below for the main thread. Thanks!

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=441&t=161519
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