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Re: The International Clan League [Conf & Div Placements Pos

Postby IcePack on Thu May 17, 2012 9:13 am

I humbly request any discussion of ICL 2013 (aka unlimited or other settings) be moved to the ICL thread under "clans" and not ICL 2012.

Rodion - for the sake of simplicity we will say you can only move clans once in the ICL and it must be before Week 12 or you can't compete in 13-18 ad playoffs. I also don't think you be eligible for medals anyway

Chap - thanks for getting the schedule done. I apologize to everyone it was supposed to go out yesterday but I spent the night in the ER. I will look over it and post today.

The ICL is set to begin!

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Re: The International Clan League [Conf & Div Placements Pos

Postby MNDuke on Thu May 17, 2012 9:07 pm

IcePack wrote:I humbly request any discussion of ICL 2013 (aka unlimited or other settings) be moved to the ICL thread under "clans" and not ICL 2012.

Rodion - for the sake of simplicity we will say you can only move clans once in the ICL and it must be before Week 12 or you can't compete in 13-18 ad playoffs. I also don't think you be eligible for medals anyway

Chap - thanks for getting the schedule done. I apologize to everyone it was supposed to go out yesterday but I spent the night in the ER. I will look over it and post today.

The ICL is set to begin!

IcePack


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Re: The International Clan League [Conf & Div Placements Pos

Postby IcePack on Thu May 24, 2012 11:41 am

Ladies & Gents,
After seeking additional feedback from participants, discussing with CD's, amongst ourselves and looking at the prospects for the ICL 2012, we have decided to cancel.

While It has always been our desire to run a unique top class event and contribute to CC clan area, and the overwhelming feedback received showed a desire to lessen the number of events & support qwert's efforts instead. This and many other reasons combined were considered before making this decision and it was not done lightly.

While possibly in the future something like the ICL could be considered in a slightly altered format we will not be running this event. I want to thank all our supporters and those whose efforts to make this a success did not go unnoticed.

And while this season ICL will not begin, I still plan to be around and contribute to the clan area in the future. CD's - this thread can now be moved to archived.

Thanks,
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby Leehar on Thu May 24, 2012 12:31 pm

Is qwert's idea still on the table?
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby IcePack on Thu May 24, 2012 12:41 pm

Leehar wrote:Is qwert's idea still on the table?


qwert is still running with his idea and entertaining discussions and suggestions for the league.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby General Brock II on Thu May 24, 2012 5:00 pm

IcePack wrote:
Leehar wrote:Is qwert's idea still on the table?


qwert is still running with his idea and entertaining discussions and suggestions for the league.
IcePack


That's disappointing, IcePack. I know MNDuke had his heart in this idea... I hope that you all are okay. :( May your future endeavours be successful, and certainly don't misplace your ideas and progress, for I still find it to be an excellent idea (if, perhaps, unfortunate timing).
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby MudPuppy on Thu May 24, 2012 10:17 pm

That's a shame. Was really looking forward to the ICL. :(
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby reptile on Fri May 25, 2012 12:01 am

is this for real? canceled? whats the reason if i may ask
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby Rodion on Fri May 25, 2012 12:53 am

If I can't play, nobody will!

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On a serious note, sorry to see this end. I know the feeling of investing yourself in an endeavor and seeing it not work for whatever reason. Good luck in the future!
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby chemefreak on Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:51 am

Looks like it didn't go because the TO started his own clan and his clan isn't in the event...
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby IcePack on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:07 am

chemefreak wrote:Looks like it didn't go because the TO started his own clan and his clan isn't in the event...


Seriously? My clan was in the event, KOA. The decision to leave KOA had nothing to do with the ICL. Like I said before, the ICL was run independently of KOA.
Why don't you pm me and ask something like this instead of spouting nonsense.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby chemefreak on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:20 am

IcePack wrote:
chemefreak wrote:Looks like it didn't go because the TO started his own clan and his clan isn't in the event...


Seriously? My clan was in the event, KOA. The decision to leave KOA had nothing to do with the ICL. Like I said before, the ICL was run independently of KOA.
Why don't you pm me and ask something like this instead of spouting nonsense.
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I'm sorry. I'm just wondering why you abandoned an event you (and others) put so much time into. I am a little pissed off. You obviously had clan support and could have sought other people to help but instead you just gave up on it. I'm just disappointed this didn't get off the ground and I think everyone should get an honest answer why it was given up on so easily.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby Keefie on Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:23 am

+1 Chemefreak

Bring back the ICL, Qwert's league is so far off happening.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby IcePack on Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:45 am

chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:
chemefreak wrote:Looks like it didn't go because the TO started his own clan and his clan isn't in the event...


Seriously? My clan was in the event, KOA. The decision to leave KOA had nothing to do with the ICL. Like I said before, the ICL was run independently of KOA.
Why don't you pm me and ask something like this instead of spouting nonsense.
Thanks,
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I'm sorry. I'm just wondering why you abandoned an event you (and others) put so much time into. I am a little pissed off. You obviously had clan support and could have sought other people to help but instead you just gave up on it. I'm just disappointed this didn't get off the ground and I think everyone should get an honest answer why it was given up on so easily.


We did put a lot of work into this event, and wanted to be sure it would be a success.
I'm sorry you are upset, but to link the two issues is completely false and just going to piss me off making outlandish statements like that. If you wanted an honest answer, I have given it.
It was not a matter of not having help - we had that. Before any decision was made we not only sought feedback but also discussed the event with Bruce. I'm sorry you weren't in the loop for those discussions.
I think there are a few people that are disappointed. I am one of them. But I wasn't about to run an event that after reviewing all te information I had, didn't look like it would be a successful season. It would be irresponsible of me to push forward knowing that and NOT in the best interest of the CC clan community.
So contrary to your opinion, it wasn't given up on "so easily". Out of the feedback we received, TWO clan representatives gave support / wanted to continue. Out of 32.
Thanks,
IcePack

PS - I requested this get archived over a month ago, and unless there's some reason to debate the collective judgement of Bruce, the ICL team, and te replies we got from clan leaders then there's no further reason to discuss this.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby lynch5762 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:54 am

Keefie wrote:+1 Chemefreak

Bring back the ICL, Qwert's league is so far off happening.


I respectfully disagree here.... I am not sure why the organizers decided to put this on the shelf but I am sure they had their reasons.

All I know is this... When this was getting under way, we (The Pack) were preparing for CL4 and decided that this would be too much for us to handle at the same time. Qwert's concept for a league was also starting to gain momentum. We have had discussions about this amongst ourselves and I think that we will most likely decide to participate in one clan league event per year. I know that there was a lot of participation in this and there may be many clans that are willing to play in multiple leagues, but I think that just creates a "watered down" situation. It takes a lot of effort to seriously compete in one season by itself. I don't speak for everyone in the pack but I am pretty sure that if multiple leagues are created, We will be discussing which one is the most important for us to participate in.

It would be nice if all those that are putting so much time into this and other leagues could get together and create the best league. It would probably take many compromises from all but i think it could happen. Just my thoughts...
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby chapcrap on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:27 am

chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:
chemefreak wrote:Looks like it didn't go because the TO started his own clan and his clan isn't in the event...


Seriously? My clan was in the event, KOA. The decision to leave KOA had nothing to do with the ICL. Like I said before, the ICL was run independently of KOA.
Why don't you pm me and ask something like this instead of spouting nonsense.
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I'm sorry. I'm just wondering why you abandoned an event you (and others) put so much time into. I am a little pissed off. You obviously had clan support and could have sought other people to help but instead you just gave up on it. I'm just disappointed this didn't get off the ground and I think everyone should get an honest answer why it was given up on so easily.

Being pissed gives you permission to bait someone in a forum that you're supposed to moderate? :roll: Grow up.

Out of all of the contacts that I asked about preferences between the ICL setup and qwert's setup, there were 3 that replied they wanted ICL. You, MNDuke (surprise), and one other. Everyone was in favor of a different setup. IcePack even talked with Bruce about it before we messaged any clans. It might have been easier to continue with it if you hadn't thrown a fit when you received my message and removed everyone's privs along with moving the thread from active back to here. Just saying.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby benga on Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 am

I didn't get any pm, not sure if other clans did.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby angola on Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:38 am

benga wrote:I didn't get any pm, not sure if other clans did.


I did. And I voted yes to continue (though I'm OK with it getting canceled. The organizers had their reasons and they work for me).
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby lokisgal on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:25 am

Perhaps now that this isnt going to run MNDuke would kindly unfoe all the clan leaders who told him they could not at this time participate in this event
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby MudPuppy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:38 pm

So, was it two:
IcePack wrote:Out of the feedback we received, TWO clan representatives gave support / wanted to continue. Out of 32

.... or three:
chapcrap wrote:Out of all of the contacts that I asked about preferences between the ICL setup and qwert's setup, there were 3 that replied they wanted ICL. You, MNDuke (surprise), and one other.

.... or four who wanted to continue???
I was one "one other" and apparently angola was another "one other" who wanted ICL. Or was it many more than that??? Am I to believe that out of 32 clans who committed to the ICL that 28+ went back on that commitment? Based on what new information that wasn't already stated months ago? I'm not usually much of a conspiracy theorist but something just ain't right about all of this. Perhaps 85%+ of those 32 clans really are that flaky... but I'm a bit skeptical and wouldn't be surprised if there's more to the story than that.

Why even propose this either/or scenario between the ICL and qwert's idea... without involving qwert?!?!?
qwert wrote:And i dont have any involvment in cancel of ICL, so again i dont know what you connect this two . You have Organisers of ICL, and you can ask hem if you interesting .

... especially when it seems that qwert's fine proposal seems more suited to become CL5 (replacing CL4) rather than derail the ICL... whose regular season was scheduled to end before qwert's league is slated to begin.

The decision to cancel was made "after seeking additional feedback from participants, discussing with CD's, amongst ourselves and looking at the prospects for the ICL 2012." You had 32 clans commit to the league (a very strong showing for what was to be its inaugural year); at least one CD (chemefreak) wanted to see the ICL continue. IcePack had not too long ago restated his commitment to seeing the ICL through and even in its last hours continued to express hope that it would move forward. MNDuke, apparently still wanted the ICL to continue... so where did this anti-ICL sentiment come from?!?! How did the prospects of the league suddenly diminish beyond the point of no return. I understand and accept there is no saving it now... but it looked like everything was all set to go until someone pulled the rug out from underneath at the last minute.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby IcePack on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:45 pm

You're right. There was a grand conspiracy. Bruce is in on it. So was KOA, EMP, FOED and half of the other clans. :roll:

I had heard of two clans. chap was the one gathering feedback, perhaps it was 3. cheme to my knowledge didn't complain until after it was cancelled with a lovely PM to us organizers, and then again here AFTERWARDS.

So at most, thats 4. We had 18+ clans indicate they preferred qwert's, didn't like the sample schedule, wanted to consolidate, etc.
In other words, very little were interested in actually following through. This was discussed and our options evaluated. The ICL was cancelled because collectively looking at all the information we had, it didn't look very promising to have a successful event.

That's all there is to it. qwert was organizing his event on his own, we didn't need to "involve" him in the cancellation of ours because from the feedback we received from clans, they strongly preferred his anyway. He was already planning it....so to cancel ours didn't effect his at all, other than to get more people participating in his discussion.

If you'd rather believe in some fairy tale pie in the sky conspiracy tale - go right ahead. But I won't fan the flames any longer. We had a discussion about this already privately via pm (regarding the cancellation) and now with cheme's comments, its just getting silly, and this will be my last post regarding the cancellation.

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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby MudPuppy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:40 am

Why even compare it to qwert's? His is a completely different type of tourney (European League style) with a different time frame. No comparison was needed. So what if most clans preferred his tourney? When did this turn into a competition with qwert??? Why couldn't you have both tournaments? ICL during the summer & qwert's to replace CL4 in the fall. I understand some folks feel there are too many large clan tournaments being tossed around and there is some desire to consolidate... but, despite this, 32 clans still committed to the ICL because it was such a great idea.

Surely the 32 clans that signed up for this tournament did so with the expectation that there would also be a CL5 coming. Surely the 32 clans that signed up for this tournament read the rules and were aware of the game requirements before chapcrap's PM was sent out. I find surprising the claim that 28-30 of the 32 clans who had committed to the ICL less than 2 months ago suddenly, two weeks before the tourney was to start, were no longer "interested in actually following through." Perhaps the clan community really is as fickle as you make them out to be.... I certainly hope that's not the case.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby IcePack on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:50 am

MudPuppy wrote:Why even compare it to qwert's? His is a completely different type of tourney (European League style) with a different time frame. No comparison was needed. So what if most clans preferred his tourney? When did this turn into a competition with qwert??? Why couldn't you have both tournaments? ICL during the summer & qwert's to replace CL4 in the fall. I understand some folks feel there are too many large clan tournaments being tossed around and there is some desire to consolidate... but, despite this, 32 clans still committed to the ICL because it was such a great idea.

Surely the 32 clans that signed up for this tournament did so with the expectation that there would also be a CL5 coming. Surely the 32 clans that signed up for this tournament read the rules and were aware of the game requirements before chapcrap's PM was sent out. I find surprising the claim that 28-30 of the 32 clans who had committed to the ICL less than 2 months ago suddenly, two weeks before the tourney was to start, were no longer "interested in actually following through." Perhaps the clan community really is as fickle as you make them out to be.... I certainly hope that's not the case.


I never said 28-30 did. I specifically said, 18+ did. And there was a desire amongst all parties to have a successful event, which there were a bunch of reasons why i didn't feel it would likely end successfully. Yes clans all knew the details before, but i dont think some actually knew what they were getting into. Yes its different, no ones "comparing" the two events. Who compared the two?

Anyway, the ICL is done. If you'd like to chat about it more, add me to skype or PM me.

Bruce - thanks for archiving this.

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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby chemefreak on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:19 pm

IcePack wrote:Bruce - thanks for archiving this.
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Re: The International Clan League [Cancelled]

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:26 pm

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