Chariot of Fire wrote:Can this forum be as much about suggestions for CL5 as it is for complaints about CL4? I see this as being far more productive to resolving issues as, let's face it, whatever has happened in CL4 is already a fait accompli. The rules were set and every clan has had to comply with them - same for everyone (though some have seemingly coped better than others, but that's an admin thing by the look of it). If there have been problems with a particular TO then I'm sure this will be taken into consideration when the next series comes along, but for the meantime can we all just apply ourselves to seeing this through and upholding our obligations, both as TOs and as 1st Contacts. It would be great.
Now here's something that I think warrants closer scrutiny. It is the system adopted by UEFA for the European Championships 2012 in which there were 51 countries divided into nine qualifying groups. Not too dissimilar to the conundrum organisers of CL4 were faced with when deciding how best to 'qualify' the top clans from each division. Have a read:
"There were nine groups. Six of these groups had six teams; the remaining three groups consisted of five teams. Group competition was a double round robin: each team hosted a game with every other team in its group. The first-placed team in each group qualified, along with the second-place team with the most points against teams ranked in the top five in the group. The remaining eight second-place teams are paired for two-game play-offs, with the winner of each tie qualifying for the finals"
So what UEFA have done is take each 2nd-placed team in a group and calculate the points they earned against the four other teams in the Top 5. This is a clever system as it has no bearing on the 1st-placed team (i.e. if 1st place beat last place those points still stand, which is fair enough as everyone in each group had the same opportunity) but it does create a level playing field for the 2nd-placed teams who were in a group of only five countries. Their 4 results against opponents are comparable to the 4 results of a 2nd-placed team in a group of six. This is far better than the 'share a draw' system applied in CL4.
Only other thing I'll add (for now) is the restriction on Unlimited Forts. Personally I don't like them, but to have a quota placed on the number of games that can use them seemed unnecessary and possibly a deliberate handicap to KORT. This seems unfair. If they happen to be bloody good at those settings why penalise them? It's the first time I've ever known of unlimited forts being restricted and it seems unreasonable to me. It is a very standard game setting across all spheres of CC gameplay (tournies, challenges, etc).
Cheers
CoF
100% agree, if only there was more reasonable posts like this, we would have much better clan league.
Leehar wrote:Moving forward, this was a discussion I already had with some other people, but is Phase 3 really necessary?
Phase 2 ensure that all the top clans play each other in a proper league format, and phase 4 is useful in determining a more worthy winner since it's a proper full length head to head, but phase 3 just seems like an unnecessary addendum?
Since that was my and Masli's idea, first time shown in our proposed format, I will reply why we thought it was necessary...
Our general idea was that we have something similar like knockout, just in league style. in knockout, every next round has 50% less clans than previous round had.
Our initial statement was: "If a clan can achieve to be better than 50% other clans in particular round, then that clan deserves to advance to next round." so, if clan can be in top 4 when there are 8 clans, they move forward, if clan can be in top 2 when there are 4 clans they move forward, and if clan can be in top 1 when there are 2 clans they move forward.
positive sides of that format are also that almost every clan is in fight for advancing to next stage until the almost end, so everyone play with high motive. if we just made top 2 of 8 advance, then clans who are 6,7,8th placed after 4-5 rounds would loose any chance to advance and would maybe loose motive, so then clans who play vs them in Rounds 6-7 would have easier job than the ones who played vs them in round 1-5. with this format, almost everyone will be in chance for advance to next round until the very end.
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:39 am
really want to play! It can exclude anything, or include anything your clan would like to play, subject of course to if other clans are interested in playing it as well.
Its funny how a few of you Empire guys used to just say we were lucky, wait till you face a real clan etc..... now all you can do is find another way to throw mud at us from a distance. Get your foot out of your mouth, you look like a fool 
Oh since you have enough time on your have to talk trash here is some good reading for you 
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