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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Leehar on Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:35 am

chapcrap wrote:I think most clans would agree to have no unlimited in doubles games.

I don't like the setting much either, but Tainaron has proved it's a viable option for team games, so I see no reason to limit it...
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby niMic on Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:42 am

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chapcrap wrote:I love doubles games. But, there are a lot of people who might say that quads is more skillful and better to show the skill of a team.


Or how good some are at following instructions/ taking convenient absences? Might as well be 1v1 in some cases anyway?


If you're convinced the only reason you can lose is that the other team are cheating, then it doesn't matter if it's Quads, Trips, Doubles or speed assdoodles.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:24 am

AT these moment if we use ranking clan for CL5, taking performance in Cl4, these how we look ranking:
1 AOC
2 KORT
3 EMP
4 PACK
5 IA
6 TOFU
7 AFOS
8 TSM
9 MYT
10 OSA
11 TFFS
12 ID
13 LOW
14 PIG
15 VDLL
16 DYN
17 WAR
18 BOFM
19 OTP
20 LEG
21 HH
22 KOA
23 GR
24 MD
25 FOED
26 TNC
27 1RFG
28 TLW
29 G1
30 LHDD
31 AKA
32 DBC
33 MM
34 SOH
35 RA
36 IF
37 LOTZ
38 DB
39 MB
(note-for now aoc are much close to be no1 clan in CL4)

Ofcourse its also depend what clan will register for CL5, for example if AKA not register, and DBC register,then DBC will go up for one place, but if MD also dont register,then DBC will go up for 2 place,etc,etc.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby crazy4catnip on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:43 pm

And how would new clans be folded into the ranking?

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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby TheMissionary on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:58 pm

I support the qualification as opposed to previous league rankings. This league is a different format, so some performances may be changed. Also there have been some clans that have grown quite a bit since CL4. I think it would unfair to them to use something that isn't reflected up to date. Maybe the F400 should be used instead?

Edit: New clans could be ranked based on challenges or date formed if no challenges or equal challenges.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:52 am

crazy4catnip wrote:And how would new clans be folded into the ranking?

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They will go in 6 pot.

TheMissionary wrote:I support the qualification as opposed to previous league rankings. This league is a different format, so some performances may be changed. Also there have been some clans that have grown quite a bit since CL4. I think it would unfair to them to use something that isn't reflected up to date. Maybe the F400 should be used instead?

Edit: New clans could be ranked based on challenges or date formed if no challenges or equal challenges.


not reflected up to date? Cl4 are recent competition, who are still not over. Its will be good to point what its wrong with ranking based on CL4 performance,and what its not up to date? I think that will be unfair not ranked AOC to no2 position(or no1 position if they win a Division 1) and to be ranked on no5 position how f400 show. All new clans who are not play in Cl4 will be placed on pot 6. Nobody can know where will play in qualification groups, because draw are online(explained in page 1), and everybody will have chance to play for top League.
these its top 6 in CL4
1 AOC-or Kort
2 KORT-or Aoc
3 EMP
4 PACK
5 IA
6 TOFU
-and these its top 6 in f400
1 KORT
2 TOFU
3 PACK
4 EMP
5 AOC
6 TSM
--------------------------------- now top 6 in Cl4 will be placed in pot 1, and each will be seed no1 in each qualification group. Now what its out of date-F400 or CL4?
When i look f400 say-IA are not top 6,, but CL4 say opposite.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Leehar on Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:54 am

remember in the latest rankings that should come out in a coupla days, AoC are likely to jump in to the top 4 if not top 3, so it's still relatively tight at the top between the 2 ranking systems

With that said, overall f400 seems a better benchmark for clan league placings, specially if you can get an up-to-date version when assigning seeds
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby chapcrap on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:00 pm

Leehar wrote:remember in the latest rankings that should come out in a coupla days, AoC are likely to jump in to the top 4 if not top 3, so it's still relatively tight at the top between the 2 ranking systems

With that said, overall f400 seems a better benchmark for clan league placings, specially if you can get an up-to-date version when assigning seeds

I agree with this. Don't use CL4.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:51 pm

mine biggest concern with f400, its that some clan who are show good performance in 2011, and now show bad performance in CL4, could be awarded with better Clan League seed, then what he deserve. Sometime good scores in past can hold you in high position for long period,and you could have benefit, and if you include only CL4 score, then you can get right score for certain competition . I can give you several examples
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these its extreme difference between two ranking
F400
9 foed
24 tffs
21 mm

CL4
25 foed
11 tffs
33 mm
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and these is almost identical

f400
13 low
20 koa
30 lhdd
23 gr
35 soh
27 g1
28 1rfg
38 db

cl4
13 low
22 koa
30 lhdd
34 soh
23 gr
29 g1
27 1rfg
38 db
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to conclude -you can have extreme bad performance in Clan League, and still can be awarded in f400, and these its unfair award.
Many clan can oppose and say " dont use f400 its not fair for Clan league"
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby chapcrap on Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:59 pm

qwert wrote:Many clan can oppose and say " dont use f400 its not fair for Clan league"

I haven't heard anyone opposed to using F400 yet.

qwert wrote:mine biggest concern with f400, its that some clan who are show good performance in 2011, and now show bad performance in CL4, could be awarded with better Clan League seed, then what he deserve. Sometime good scores in past can hold you in high position for long period,and you could have benefit, and if you include only CL4 score, then you can get right score for certain competition.

Using CL4 is like using one war or one performance to judge a clan. That's a bad idea, IMO. Secondly, a single good performance in 2011 won't be a large factor because the wars deteriorate in value as time goes on. And just a single war would not make a large difference if it is that old.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby IcePack on Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:50 am

I'm back from holiday and much needed rest. F400 will be updated ASAP and I can do a customized date for CL5 whenever it's needed. (EX March 6th instead of 1st, or whenever organizer chooses).
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:01 am

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qwert wrote:Many clan can oppose and say " dont use f400 its not fair for Clan league"

I haven't heard anyone opposed to using F400 yet.

qwert wrote:mine biggest concern with f400, its that some clan who are show good performance in 2011, and now show bad performance in CL4, could be awarded with better Clan League seed, then what he deserve. Sometime good scores in past can hold you in high position for long period,and you could have benefit, and if you include only CL4 score, then you can get right score for certain competition.

Using CL4 is like using one war or one performance to judge a clan. That's a bad idea, IMO. Secondly, a single good performance in 2011 won't be a large factor because the wars deteriorate in value as time goes on. And just a single war would not make a large difference if it is that old.


in f400 i read that benga say" f400 1 year are better because show current form of clans,and f400 2 year show overall rank"

So its will be best to see deference between f400 1 year and f400 2 year.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby chapcrap on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:14 am

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qwert wrote:Many clan can oppose and say " dont use f400 its not fair for Clan league"

I haven't heard anyone opposed to using F400 yet.

qwert wrote:mine biggest concern with f400, its that some clan who are show good performance in 2011, and now show bad performance in CL4, could be awarded with better Clan League seed, then what he deserve. Sometime good scores in past can hold you in high position for long period,and you could have benefit, and if you include only CL4 score, then you can get right score for certain competition.

Using CL4 is like using one war or one performance to judge a clan. That's a bad idea, IMO. Secondly, a single good performance in 2011 won't be a large factor because the wars deteriorate in value as time goes on. And just a single war would not make a large difference if it is that old.


in f400 i read that benga say" f400 1 year are better because show current form of clans,and f400 2 year show overall rank"

So its will be best to see deference between f400 1 year and f400 2 year.

I would rather see that than what comes from CL4.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby TheMissionary on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:27 pm

Of course F400 will be quite a bit different than CL4 results. F400 includes performances outside of CL4, as well as CL4. I think it's the best overall system when providing a seeding system. Clans will perform differently in any given situation, F400 categorizes all situations. 1 year or 2 years, either works for me. It just seems more of an equalizer than CL4 rankings alone.
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Re: CC Clan League 5 - proposed format

Postby IcePack on Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:36 pm

As discussed when qwert contacted me, I'll produce a new 1 and 2 year F400 rankings for him on a date that works and is viable for his seeding needs.

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