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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby GI O on Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:55 pm

the efforts of this initiative are going to be bogged down in rules and petty bickering.
does the 1 hr rule apply if i know in advance i'm out and can ask a clan member / buddy to sit for me - surely you must let my sitter play my turns when it is convenient for him ???
does the sitter HAVE to be a clan member ??? e.g. i have a mate in r/l who plays c/c, and would prefer he sits my games rather than a.n.other user ?
in doubles can my partner sit and play for both of us?

as a suggestion, set up a clan sitters forum where all known absences must be declared, and pre-announced sitters be permitted, sitter must identify himself, player cannot play ANY other game while being sat for.
emergency sitting = non-declared sitting and should only be permitted AFTER 1 miss, but then follows rules as per declared sitters.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:03 pm

Finsfleet and freakns......

Now you aren't following the number one rule of rules club, take a deep breath ;) I really don't want to have lock this thread [-o<

Now while you think you may have valid points basically most you are saying was already against site rules. Now this a clean slate, we are moving forward. We must all adhere to site rules. They are there to prevent abuse. Now why you may state you will break them, i urge to take a step back and consider what you are saying.

If you have a planned vacation, why is it such an a big deal to mention it to your clan.....Is that not a bit disrespectful. Your clan organisers spend a great deal of their spare time organising clan wars etc. If you say you will break the rules, how is that fair on them. Because ultimately it wont just be you that will cause infractions, these infractions will affect your sitters and ultimately your whole clan. If your clan keeps fielding players who cant take their turns , and if you log onto someones account for the reasons stated the clan will suffer. Why would anyone want that.

I would also urge anyone associated with a person who is publicly stating they will break the rules, to change their password immediately. You must not give permission for someone to enter your account for any other reason than to cover a turn as detailed in the rules. Thanks.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Nicky15 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:43 pm

To clear a few things up.

The emergency hour rule is for when the player in question has gone awol. And you have had no contact from them. If someone asks you to cover an account for a certain period of time then that's different.

Yes this hour rule is a slight contradiction. But we feel without a legal option to cover awol players then we will see wide spread abuse occurring. Also to ban the covering of potential missed turns would be unpopular and hard for most clans to live with.

It has never been ideal for someone to hold your password 24/7 but it is not against the rules. This has become a way of life now in the clan world with most players having a regular sitter. My advice.. choose your sitters wisely, and only pick a sitter who you trust not to break rules with your account.

GI O wrote:as a suggestion, set up a clan sitters forum where all known absences must be declared, and pre-announced sitters be permitted, sitter must identify himself, player cannot play ANY other game while being sat for.
emergency sitting = non-declared sitting and should only be permitted AFTER 1 miss, but then follows rules as per declared sitters.


The sitter thread is a good idea, we have discussed this already in the consultation group. We will continue to discuss how we go about logging sitting in the user-group, this may be in the form of a thread or posting in the relevant war threads for games you are competing in

In regards to breaking these rules, I will stress again the minor things will not get you in trouble. If you forget to post in the odd game. As long as you did just forget, and not do it to disguise the fact that you sat then you will be fine. If you cover a turn for a clan mate in a different time zone because you are well aware that it is 2am in his country, he has never taken turns at this time of night before and there is no way he is going to take that turn within 2-3 hours again this would be fine. There are many variables and situations that we just cant make a rule for without drowning in them. We need the list simple as possible and we will apply common sense when looking at anything. All of these examples may be noted.

We will discuss a punishment scale in the new user-group in consultation with members from every clan. In here we will decide what constitutes a minor infraction, and just how many of these minor infractions you can accumulate before it becomes an actual infraction. Like i said the odd minor thing with a reasonable explanation will be accepted. Its when things happen on a regular basis then we would need to act.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby freakns on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:00 pm

Nicky15 wrote:Finsfleet and freakns......

Now you aren't following the number one rule of rules club, take a deep breath ;) I really don't want to have lock this thread [-o<

Now while you think you may have valid points basically most you are saying was already against site rules. Now this a clean slate, we are moving forward. We must all adhere to site rules. They are there to prevent abuse. Now why you may state you will break them, i urge to take a step back and consider what you are saying.

If you have a planned vacation, why is it such an a big deal to mention it to your clan.....Is that not a bit disrespectful. Your clan organisers spend a great deal of their spare time organising clan wars etc. If you say you will break the rules, how is that fair on them. Because ultimately it wont just be you that will cause infractions, these infractions will affect your sitters and ultimately your whole clan. If your clan keeps fielding players who cant take their turns , and if you log onto someones account for the reasons stated the clan will suffer. Why would anyone want that.

i dont want clean slate. i will stay behind my actions. if looking at clan game is banable offense, then ban me, simple as that. dont go by higher ground here. you said your only goal is to make clan world better place. as far as i can see, i am the cancer to that place, so remove it. or shell we be honest and say truthfully what is all this about?! name the persons who are responsible for "making new rules", cmon, be honest and say whats this all about.
someone here said "take a screenshot and post it on forum", because thats legal. are you kidding me?! thats far worse and have much more consequences then me liking to know what is going on.
also, if someone goes into vacation he will say that to his sitter, not sure why is it important to be posted in clan war thread?!
and it was mentioned more then once, by hunters, having someones permanent password is illegal. now i here its not illegal. so hunters have been lying all this time?
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby L M S on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:32 pm

freakns wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:Finsfleet and freakns......

Now you aren't following the number one rule of rules club, take a deep breath ;) I really don't want to have lock this thread [-o<

Now while you think you may have valid points basically most you are saying was already against site rules. Now this a clean slate, we are moving forward. We must all adhere to site rules. They are there to prevent abuse. Now why you may state you will break them, i urge to take a step back and consider what you are saying.

If you have a planned vacation, why is it such an a big deal to mention it to your clan.....Is that not a bit disrespectful. Your clan organisers spend a great deal of their spare time organising clan wars etc. If you say you will break the rules, how is that fair on them. Because ultimately it wont just be you that will cause infractions, these infractions will affect your sitters and ultimately your whole clan. If your clan keeps fielding players who cant take their turns , and if you log onto someones account for the reasons stated the clan will suffer. Why would anyone want that.

i dont want clean slate. i will stay behind my actions. if looking at clan game is banable offense, then ban me, simple as that. dont go by higher ground here. you said your only goal is to make clan world better place. as far as i can see, i am the cancer to that place, so remove it. or shell we be honest and say truthfully what is all this about?! name the persons who are responsible for "making new rules", cmon, be honest and say whats this all about.
someone here said "take a screenshot and post it on forum", because thats legal. are you kidding me?! thats far worse and have much more consequences then me liking to know what is going on.
also, if someone goes into vacation he will say that to his sitter, not sure why is it important to be posted in clan war thread?!
and it was mentioned more then once, by hunters, having someones permanent password is illegal. now i here its not illegal. so hunters have been lying all this time?


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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby squishyg on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:09 pm

Sorry if I missed this, but how will anyone know there's account sitting if its not voluntarily announced?

It seems like a lot of thought and energy is going into this; is this a whole lotta rule for a few instances that have been determined to be cheating?
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby laughingcavalier on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:48 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:freakns and betiko: Team CC has made it very clear that you should not have someone else's permanent password and thus you should already have not been doing what you are arguing for. This is not new and is not changing with these rules. That has been a site rule for awhile now. As has been mentioned, there are perfectly legal workarounds that require a bit more effort on the part of the actual players in the game (as it should be).


I believe that to be an incorrect statement. KA has strongly suggested NOT having someone else's password but it has never been forbidden.

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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:59 pm

squishyg wrote:Sorry if I missed this, but how will anyone know there's account sitting if its not voluntarily announced?



Nicky15 wrote:
...1, The announcing in chat, of the name of the person who has covered a turn will now be
mandatory...

...In response to the idea that people will just cheat anyway, the hunters will routinely check IPs, and assist us in checking suspicious activity abusing the account sitting rule...



Does this answer your question squishy? Tbh, I'm not sure if it's what you were looking for but I thought I would offer.

As far as the few instances, for those known I have a feeling that for every instance we hear of there are ten that go unseen. Hard to say how many but the fact remains that it is certainly possible and most likely probable. Why not err on the side of caution, better safe than sorry, etc., etc..

As far as the sticky jokes, maybe you guys want to bring it to a pm environment? Not everyone finds that sort of thing amusing. In fact, some of us find it downright piggy. :|
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Foxglove on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:08 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
squishyg wrote:Sorry if I missed this, but how will anyone know there's account sitting if its not voluntarily announced?



Nicky15 wrote:
...1, The announcing in chat, of the name of the person who has covered a turn will now be
mandatory...

...In response to the idea that people will just cheat anyway, the hunters will routinely check IPs, and assist us in checking suspicious activity abusing the account sitting rule...



Does this answer your question squishy? Tbh, I'm not sure if it's what you were looking for but I thought I would offer.


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Back to a subject I raised earlier and have yet to receive a reply about - why is unlimited singled out as the only setting (let's not even get started on map choices!) worthy of individual mention? I think that references to any specific game setting should be removed from the rules, or there should be a detailed assessment done of ALL settings and maps and include everything that fits the criteria (what are the criteria, btw?) in the rules.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby IcePack on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:01 pm

freakns wrote:
ps. i dont want to turn this into personal debate. and if we challenge you and win in clan war would that change your point on this matter? if we lose i surely wouldnt change mine, so what was actually the point you were trying to achieve by asking for challenge and insulting me in same time?


You said that all top clans looked at the games that they weren't in, and that you did as well.
I said that what you were doing was considered account sharing by the site (in general).
You made it personal by trying to point out MY clan was not "a top clan".
I responded by saying, if you think so lowly of my clan, either challenge us or shut up.

There was no insult by me. I simply said, you want to start pointing fingers at who is top for no reason, and speak badly of our clan than feel free to challenge us. No insults there. The challenge was regarding your opinion of our clan. Not anything to do with this topic of account sharing.

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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby JCR on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:10 pm

squishyg wrote:It seems like a lot of thought and energy is going into this; is this a whole lotta rule for a few instances that have been determined to be cheating?

Its called fixing a problem with a sledge hammer rather than a scalpel. this shit is getting waaaay out of hand. the only thing you are going to accomplish with this is create a flood of dumb over researched C&A reports generated by sore losers and people with axes to grind. You guys do realize that hyper addicted players on this site do not give a damn about the "rules" of this site. I put rules in parenthesis because they are only enforced periodically on some people sometimes leading to absolute confusion. If anyone truly cared about enforcing these rules and procedures there is a simple fix(s).
A)Write a Program that blocks everyone from sitting for anyone
B)Create a sitter function so it is easy to monitor who is sitting for who in any games
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:11 pm

Nicky15 wrote:We are not trying to make things difficult, less fun.....


And yet, that's precisely what a rule that says you are only to account sit when a game has one hour or less does. Do you know how freaking annoying that is?
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby jj3044 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:21 pm

I take exception to people generalizing stating that "all clans" or "all top clans" do that.

Here is an excerpt from our clan rules, which our leadership drafted earlier in the year.

4. Only go on an account of another player if you are sitting for them, or they are about to miss a turn.


While not as complicated as the rules outlined in this forum, it has served us pretty well.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:56 pm

Give me a bit to sort all this out. I will respond to as many concerns as I can.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Funkyterrance on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:14 am

Seriously though, if you are griping that the rules are too strict what is it that you are so aggravated by/fearful of? Missing turns lolz? This, of all things, is what you choose to rail against??? We are talking about the very real possibility of players GAINING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE DURING CLAN WARS. Why in the world would anyone object to changes attempting to prevent this sort of thing from happening?
I can think of one reason...
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby JCR on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:20 am

Funkyterrance wrote:Seriously though, if you are griping that the rules are too strict what is it that you are so aggravated by/fearful of? Missing turns lolz? This, of all things, is what you choose to rail against??? We are talking about the very real possibility of players GAINING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE DURING CLAN WARS. Why in the world would anyone object to changes attempting to prevent this sort of thing from happening?
I can think of one reason...

I can think of another.
that there is now another layer of rules (1 hr, notify clan director)that will not be able to be enforced unless someone comes up with an arbitrary amount of evidence that may or may not be true and may or may not be penalized. this is simply going to lead to some clans digging for "proof" every time they lose in order to nullify the loss. Or simply to screw with their "enemies"
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Funkyterrance on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:37 am

JCR wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:Seriously though, if you are griping that the rules are too strict what is it that you are so aggravated by/fearful of? Missing turns lolz? This, of all things, is what you choose to rail against??? We are talking about the very real possibility of players GAINING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE DURING CLAN WARS. Why in the world would anyone object to changes attempting to prevent this sort of thing from happening?
I can think of one reason...

I can think of another.
that there is now another layer of rules (1 hr, notify clan director)that will not be able to be enforced unless someone comes up with an arbitrary amount of evidence that may or may not be true and may or may not be penalized. this is simply going to lead to some clans digging for "proof" every time they lose in order to nullify the loss. Or simply to screw with their "enemies"


Honestly, I can appreciate your point. However, you have to admit that they had to draw the line somewhere. More time would obviously be more convenient but this just widens the doorway for abuse. It's a shame it has come to this but some serious housecleaning seems to be in order and I vote we use clorox. It appears I have to settle for Lysol but frankly, I'll take what I can get. ;)
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:32 am

codeblue1018 wrote:Just continue sitting as you normally would and quit worrying about these "new" rules. These are what my clan and probably most clans have been following for quite sometime. There would be no reason to take a turn beyond one hour anyway; the purpose of this is to take a turn for another member in the event of a miss. Instead of implementing all sorts of things that a lot of people will have a problem with; make it simple-increase the time per turn in clan games; instead of 24 hrs, make it 48 hrs. It will solve prolly 99% of sitting concerns.


Code is right. Most all clans will have no problems at all with this. As far as increasing time in games. That is not going to happen at this point.

shoop76 wrote:We recently had a clan member moving house and he really didn't know when he could cover turns. Sometimes he could and sometimes he couldn't so he would send out a quick PM.

By the new rules he could get a sitter, but not take his own turns if he had time.
If his time went below 1 hour we couldn't take it because it wouldn't be considered an emergency.

Also, some clans are really close knit and have each others phone number, emails, etc. Some clans are not. This would put the latter in a big disadvantage. Could be kind of weird giving out phone numbers to somebody you don't even know.

Also, this requires members to share passwords. This is illegal in cc. If you need a sitter you are required to change your password for the duration you are gone and then change it again when you come back. Correct me if I'm wrong.



So in a case like this it is best if the player just ask for a sitter for the full time while moving. He can then take back over when he has full time. As far as sharing passwords, most all people on CC let someone else know their password. Especially clan people. These people have your password for those what if moments.

L M S wrote:NO WAY to increasing the time for turns. If you cant take a turn in 24 hours....c'mon people. The CC3 for example is already months behind schedule, if we had 48 hr turns...holy hell the thing would last 18 months. No way.
Its like Bruce said, (I'm paraphrasing here) sometime you might have to go for it...if you can't be trusted to take one turn on your own because of time constraints then you shouldn't be in a clan game anyway. This is the real problem, we all wait until the last friggin minute to take a turn so everyone and their mother can get a word in, starting now this practice of waiting until the last minute cant always be. 24 hours people!
Nice job on the rules guys.



If you give people 48 hours they will still wait till the last second to take a turn. Nothing will change. As I said there are those times you just gotta make the best play possible and go with it. Not every time can "everybody and their mother" take a look at your turn and give advice.

denominator wrote:Personally, I don't see what the big deal is here. Most clans I have interacted with have all followed these rules already, with the possible exception of the new 1-hour rule. It really comes down to one thing - only you should be taking your turns.

My one issue is that this rule:

Nicky15 wrote:2, Emergency cover may only be given if the person really is in danger of missing a turn. Therefore a turn can only be covered if there is an hour or less left on the clock. But steps must be taken to contact the player before hand.


contradicts this rule:

Nicky15 wrote:5, You must also not give permission for anyone to wander in and out of your account at their will. Take care of your account. What happens with it is your responsibility.


How are we expected to cover a clanmate's turn in emergency situations (following the 1-hour rule) if we do not know their password ahead of time?

Also, it seems to me that players are taking the word "vacation" too literally. I believe that "vacation" is a stand-in word for "excusable absence from the site for a foreseeable period of time".


Just because someone has your password does not mean they can just go into your account anytime they want. This should only be for emergency use. Vacation is sometimes a blanket statement for things like, work trip, moving, or something else that requires you to be away from the PC.


TheMissionary wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:

IcePack wrote:
TheMissionary wrote:I disagree with 1 hour. Sometimes i get into a project and will not make it home in time to play, so I text a clan member and ask them to cover up until a certain time. If that time gets close to passing I'll do the same process again.


I think that something like this should have been considered as well, instead of that person having to stay on for 8 hours waiting for each individual game getting down to an hour, being able to cover the expected delay or problem time frame until you expect to be able to get back on.


As of right now the 1 hour rule will stand. If we see this is causing too many problems it can be relooked at. In response to Missionary, do not put yourself in a situation where that comes up. Plan ahead of time. Do not rely on your teammates to cover for you, but rather take the turns yourself. Sure life happens but as it stands in the case as you described your clan mates will have to wait till the last hour to take those turns. How do we as CD's know you will be out till time X? That opens up room for people to lie.


So if I am not breaking any rules on CC, why should I have to abide by the clan areas individual rules? This came up because there was a question of honor about sitting techniques of another player/s. Never once have I or any of my clan members attempted to abuse this system. Why should the rest of us have to follow a makeshift rule, just because someone else did? I'm not going to run my life around CC. I have lots of things to do sometimes, I can't always plan my time better for a game. Sorry, I am not breaking any rules, so I will continue with what works best for me and the people I play with. I don't think any of you have the right to tell any of us how to manage our own time. If rules are being broken, deal with the individuals, don't place restrictions on the rest of us who do not abuse the system. I am not flaming anyone, I am just expressing myself.


We are looking into situations like yours, but for now the one hour rule stands. While you might be honest and really need to be covered till time X others will just jump in and take turns for people who could have made it back for fear they might miss.

Finsfleet wrote:This site is online for years now. There`s simply no excuse for not having account sitting functionality covered by the application. Forcing users to share their passwords is ridiculous.

I will not conform to this rule. I will not inform anyone in advance when I leave, except the people that are supposed to sit for me. And if I`m banned for this, or one of my sitters, I`ll stop playing the game.

Do not bother answering to this post, because I will not be back to read the answer.


We do not have a sitting feature at this time. It was on Lack's to do list, but never made it out. With that being said you share your password with someone you trust. I assume your clan mates are your friends so I am sure you will let them know when you are away from your computer for any amount of time.

SaMejoHn wrote:many of you have huge sticks up your asses...just relax, and play. so what if a clan wants their best player to take turns, if that's what's going on, it is a clan vs. clan war and he's a member. People pay for this site! I'm not currently in a clan but I would like to join one soon but all this micro managing is too much. How can people with no real authority (IMO) tell a paying member that he cant enjoy what other members enjoy simply because he has a life on saturday and sunday. Some of you take this too serious, but at what point does it become taking it too serious?


Site rules state that players must not sit for each other to gain advantage. That has been from day 1 till now. Clans are about team work and showing your own skills. Nobody wants to be a puppet to someone else. They surely want to show they can play this game also.

eddie2 wrote:I am 100 percent behind these rules being brought out and have just caught up with this thread but had no time to read it all. So i am sorry if i am posting things already been discussed.

lets start with the first section,


1, The announcing in chat, of the name of the person who has covered a turn will now be mandatory.


this rule is fair enough, but i think you could add that a post in the open challenge thread from the account owner or sitter will be allowed as long as they say when the sitting ends. like me i often sit for a player and forget to post but ips will tell and if a player forgets it will cause a report for a simple mistake.

2, Emergency cover may only be given if the person really is in danger of missing a turn. Therefore a turn can only be covered if there is an hour or less left on the clock. But steps must be taken to contact the player before hand.


this rule is fair enough as long as you are going to take into account where in the world players who are sitting are ie do you expect myself to get up at 3.00 in the morning to sit for someone because i have to do it in the final hour....

3, Sitting for the purpose of covering an extended break from the site can carry on as normal, turns can be taken whenever it is convenient, the sitter can add to chat, but the player on vacation must not take turns themselves during this time or add to game chat. Account sitting is for holidays, vacations and emergencies only.


no comment this is fair.

4, You must not enter clan games if you know in advance that you will not be able to take the vast majority of your turns in any game or be unable to take your turns on a regular basis. Having your account sat on a regular basis for the duration of any clan game will no longer be allowed. If you are going to participate in clan games, it should be you who will actually play in these games.


i would like to see a time scale for this because some games can last as little as 2-3 days some longer so maybe put a limit for the following..

doubles = 7 days before vacation
triples= 12 days
quads= 14 days.

also like reticently i was away for 3 days so depending on play order and when opposing team signed up do i have to miss a whole round of games because i might of missed my first or 2nd turn..

also like reticently highlighted in the josko case i would like to see a rule added that if a player cannot play on weekends they say in game chat and the team try delay there shots to allow this not to need a sitter, also asking opposing team to delay turns and if this is forgotten by the opposing team but follwed by the players team then this is ok to do by a sitter.

5, You must not be in another persons account for any reason, other than to cover turns while that person is on vacation. Adding to chat in a game you are not in for example will not be allowed. You must also not give permission for anyone to wander in and out of your account at their will. Take care of your account. What happens with it is your responsibility.
what if the person is absent and are the following...


1) running a challenge thread (can the sitter update it.)
2) hold privs for a cla clan tourney event (can they make and invite players) while sitting. because punishments are issued for late creation.
3)this is one i was busted for in the event there is a vote in cla and clan leaders are pmed about it but not a member themselves read it and make there vote via pmn from there own account to the other members letting the cla no that clans vote.

these are just my thoughts on things that need to be verified in the rules, and like i said i am sorry if they have already been addressed but these need to be confirmed to stop silly reports. as from what i see you have a good set of rules they just need a little bit of tweaking.

thank you..
eddie2
on behalf of aka.


Eddie I will address a few points you made. As far as putting people in games there is really no time limit for when a person should stop joining new games, but most people I know do not like to leave sitters with tons of games. That is just being realistic with your sitters. To your other points about what you should do or not do while in an account. If someone is away for a period of time, you can update the thread, and or make new games if it calls for it. Do not go into the account for other purposes.

Ace Rimmer wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:freakns and betiko: Team CC has made it very clear that you should not have someone else's permanent password and thus you should already have not been doing what you are arguing for. This is not new and is not changing with these rules. That has been a site rule for awhile now. As has been mentioned, there are perfectly legal workarounds that require a bit more effort on the part of the actual players in the game (as it should be).


I believe that to be an incorrect statement. KA has strongly suggested NOT having someone else's password but it has never been forbidden.

nicky15 wrote:2, Emergency cover may only be given if the person really is in danger of missing a turn. Therefore a turn can only be covered if there is an hour or less left on the clock. But steps must be taken to contact the player before hand.


It seems there is a lot of confusion because the rules only account for two types of problems: MIA emergencies and vacations. They do not cover a third, which is when you are notified outside of CC (email, text, phone, etc) that someone will miss turns. This situation does not fall under rules 2 or 3, but should be addressed in its own rule for clarity.

I would suggest you add the following between after rule 3:

(new 4), In the event that you are notified by the account holder that they will be unable to take their turns, you can take their turns like they are on an extended break. There is no requirement to wait until there is 1 hour left on the clock, but if they have given you a time frame that they expect to be able to take turns, you should not take turns that will end past that time.

Finally:
16:06:44 ‹BGtheBrain› Ace, go make a funny joke in the Clan Sitting thread to diffuse the situation
16:06:48 ‹BGtheBrain› :mrgreen:
16:11:11 ‹Ace Rimmer› BGtheBrain, http://www.conquerclub.com/for...3981378
16:11:20 ‹Ace Rimmer› that is an incorrect statement by Bones, correct?
16:11:52 ‹BGtheBrain› its a sticky situation
16:12:07 ‹Ace Rimmer› your wife's face was a sticky situation


Ace is right. While it is not illegal for someone to have your password it is strongly suggested that it be someone you really trust. You are responsible for what they do while on your account.

squishyg wrote:Sorry if I missed this, but how will anyone know there's account sitting if its not voluntarily announced?

It seems like a lot of thought and energy is going into this; is this a whole lotta rule for a few instances that have been determined to be cheating?



Short Answer is you will not. Longer answer is random checks are going to be run so people will need to be posting that they are sitting. Most do this already unless they are lazy or trying to cheat.


JCR wrote:
squishyg wrote:It seems like a lot of thought and energy is going into this; is this a whole lotta rule for a few instances that have been determined to be cheating?

Its called fixing a problem with a sledge hammer rather than a scalpel. this shit is getting waaaay out of hand. the only thing you are going to accomplish with this is create a flood of dumb over researched C&A reports generated by sore losers and people with axes to grind. You guys do realize that hyper addicted players on this site do not give a damn about the "rules" of this site. I put rules in parenthesis because they are only enforced periodically on some people sometimes leading to absolute confusion. If anyone truly cared about enforcing these rules and procedures there is a simple fix(s).
A)Write a Program that blocks everyone from sitting for anyone
B)Create a sitter function so it is easy to monitor who is sitting for who in any games



I do not think we are fixing a small problem with a sledge hammer. I think we will apply the right force as needed. I do not think you will see people reporting each other in C&A like yo stated. People win and lose all the time. This just helps put a line in the sand as to what is right and wrong.

ViperOverLord wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:We are not trying to make things difficult, less fun.....


And yet, that's precisely what a rule that says you are only to account sit when a game has one hour or less does. Do you know how freaking annoying that is?


The one hour rule was put into place so it gives the player every chance to take his own turn. I think we both know that this is why we have it at an hour. This is to keep the abuse from happening.

JCR wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:Seriously though, if you are griping that the rules are too strict what is it that you are so aggravated by/fearful of? Missing turns lolz? This, of all things, is what you choose to rail against??? We are talking about the very real possibility of players GAINING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE DURING CLAN WARS. Why in the world would anyone object to changes attempting to prevent this sort of thing from happening?
I can think of one reason...

I can think of another.
that there is now another layer of rules (1 hr, notify clan director)that will not be able to be enforced unless someone comes up with an arbitrary amount of evidence that may or may not be true and may or may not be penalized. this is simply going to lead to some clans digging for "proof" every time they lose in order to nullify the loss. Or simply to screw with their "enemies"



Random checks are going to be done. People are reading too much into the 1 hour rule. People are so hard up on the numbers they are forgetting the bigger picture! Stop being lazy and or having poor planning and take your own turns. It is that simple. For those times when something really does happen the 1 hour rules stands so you as the account owner have every chance to take your own turns.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby freakns on Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:18 am

Bruceswar wrote:We do not have a sitting feature at this time. It was on Lack's to do list, but never made it out. With that being said you share your password with someone you trust. I assume your clan mates are your friends so I am sure you will let them know when you are away from your computer for any amount of time.

since you havent understand him, or he hasnt understand CDs, let me clarify this because he isnt going to respond on this subject.
i am his sitter, just as he is mine. everytime he goes away and isnt sure he will be able to cover his turns, he send me PM. i do the same. we also have each other cell phone numbers, so we can notify the other we are coming back and no further covering is needed.
problem here is "you need to say it in clan war thread" which is stupid. its not CDs business to know where he goes and is he available or not. if someone is covering for him, that will be noted in game chat just as it was till today. every time i was covering for him or he was covering for me we were said it in game chat. why is that not enough anymore? and what is next? video proof of you visiting hotel in some foreign country, or hospital bill that proves you have been unavailable due the illness?
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:26 am

freakns wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:We do not have a sitting feature at this time. It was on Lack's to do list, but never made it out. With that being said you share your password with someone you trust. I assume your clan mates are your friends so I am sure you will let them know when you are away from your computer for any amount of time.

since you havent understand him, or he hasnt understand CDs, let me clarify this because he isnt going to respond on this subject.
i am his sitter, just as he is mine. everytime he goes away and isnt sure he will be able to cover his turns, he send me PM. i do the same. we also have each other cell phone numbers, so we can notify the other we are coming back and no further covering is needed.
problem here is "you need to say it in clan war thread" which is stupid. its not CDs business to know where he goes and is he available or not. if someone is covering for him, that will be noted in game chat just as it was till today. every time i was covering for him or he was covering for me we were said it in game chat. why is that not enough anymore? and what is next? video proof of you visiting hotel in some foreign country, or hospital bill that proves you have been unavailable due the illness?



Here is the thing. I will make it pretty simple for you. He is letting your organizer know and should be posting in chat that you are sitting for him. That is plenty, but it is nice if you could let the other clan know also. That is why you would post in the war thread. Don't read to much into it.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby HOWITZERHAL on Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:57 am

Seems to me that if the new owners of this site were looking to expand membership. That automatically assuming everyone is cheating, by adding an additional layer of rulz concerning taking of turns in clan wars is ultimately going to reduce membership (nice move). To my knowledge, there has NEVER been a problem with our opponents in any challenge with respect to what is being discussed here. I am not saying that Clans are not taking turns for members who have RL issues, I am saying that it makes no difference to us whether this is occuring or not. And if this so called cheating is so rampant that there needs to be a rule about it, why is it not implemented sitewide for all games, not just clans?

Ultimately, IMO what this rule is going to do, is reduce the number of clans that participate in CC. Some of the Clans with smaller membership (ours included), rely on one another in our respective clans to ensure that our COLLECTIVE turns are made. Which is part of the allure of being in a CLAN. And when such an occasion as one of our members is not available to take turns, one of us would step in to take the turn(s). By which we would notify our esteemed opponents in chat of another filling in.

Now, it seems that is unacceptable, without first publishing an announcement in the NY TIMES as well as getting approval first?. It was stated somewhere in these 11 pages that there was input clanwide regarding this. TELL ME WHERE was this discussion made. Certainly not the CLA, which would seem an appropriate venue for this sort of discussion beforehand. I am obviously not the only one with questions, or else there would not be 11+ pages of discussion after the fact just a bit over 1 day after it was announced.

So, to sum it up: If it is a blue moon and Elsie's milk curldes then maybe, at some point someone will be reprimanded (possibly) for helping out a fellow teammate and taking his(her) turn without announcing to the world first. That the up till this point method of simply announcing in chat that 'johnnystinkfinger' is filling in for 'marymaryquitecontrary', is no longer acceptable. Because it was found out later that 'johnny' was a better player then 'mary' and the clan strategy was to have 'johnny' play. Which turned the tide and won the medal and ultimately a weekend in the lincoln bedroom. You people do realize that this is a game, a diversion, from RL. If all you have to do is make it more difficult to play this 'GAME', eventually only the ANAL retentive will be playing it


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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby pearljamrox2 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:42 am

So many people, so few with reading comprehension skills. I'm so glad I'm not a CD.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby cookie0117 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:50 am

One addition to the rules which could be useful is a procedure for long term AWOL. If a player has gone AWOL for a period of greater than 24hrs, then its likely that something bad has happened and they are having to put their efforts into a real life problem not a game. At this point could a slightly wider window be given for keeping their turns down, say 4 hours. As it will be difficult to have someone check in every hour to see if the player has returned.

And to clarify if you get a post in the forum similar to the one we had recently: Super storm Sandy is coming and I may lose power/internet and dont know when it will be back on. Are you free to sit for that person outside of the 1hr constraint untill their return?
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Re: The Offical Clan Sitting Rules

Postby stahrgazer on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:58 am

HardAttack wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
Nicky15 wrote:2, Emergency cover may only be given if the person really is in danger of missing a turn. Therefore a turn can only be covered if there is an hour or less left on the clock. But steps must be taken to contact the player before hand.
1 hour or less will mean that we need to give user passwords to bunch of clan members(instead to 1-2) just to be safe. RL emergencies usually last over 1 hour so limiting the time of supervision to 1 hour will directly force the clans to use multiple players to supervise 1 clan member... But the idea behind these rules is to simplify the process of clan games supervision not to complicate it. Can this be increased to 3 or 4 hours?

Nicky15 wrote:5, You must not be in another persons account for any reason, other than to cover turns while that person is on vacation. Adding to chat in a game you are not in for example will not be allowed. You must also not give permission for anyone to wander in and out of your account at their will. Take care of your account. What happens with it is your responsibility.

Simple question... Is it allowed to write in the chat what I have done and why while I was sitting for someone?

Goran


On point 1, the initial plan is 1 hour. That might be reviewed in future if it is not practical

On point 2, absolutely yes the sitter can say what they did and why.



Please review it, cos it really will come with problems sir. =D>


Agreed. It's absurd that a reasonable sleep-time isn't accommodated. The example given by the op, "I was going to bed and x was AWOL so I wasn't sure he'd take his turns," seems perfectly reasonable for a clan mate to do for the team, UNLESS it happens repeatedly within the same game without discussion of why the originally assigned player is constantly away.

Also agree with several posters here that if CDs are going to make rules, they should be specific and enforced across the board, no ambiguity to invite claims of favoritism, no questions whatsoever.

If it's "no more than three times, period" and "within one hour, period" and "always enforced," well, then, players may not "like" the rules but they'd have no valid argument with a given game/skirmish/war.

As someone said, why bother making rules that you then say you won't always enforce; doesn't sound like "rules" at all, sounds like ways to manipulate who wins based on who-you-know or who-you-like vs who-you-dislike.

But in the end, I agree with Howitzer; part of the benefit of being in a Clan is to have team games and team coverage, in a relaxed and friendly atmosphere; and these rules that seem to require foreknowledge in triplicate and papa's permission to go potty weeks in advance detract from rather than add to the fun.
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Re: The Official Clan Sitting Rules

Postby laughingcavalier on Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:31 am

I don't think these rules will mean any changes for how our clan plays.
I guess we are not the only clan who thinks we may have lost some important games to clans who were being looser about sitting than us in the past.
There may be a few specifics need tightening.
But overall these rules seem pretty relaxed to me.
This initiative has got to be good in giving us all confidence we are competing on a level playing field.
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