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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Keefie on Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:10 pm

I think that's a great idea from Icepack =D> It will force all clans to actually read and digest the options before casting their votes.

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So that the questions are as impartial as possible can we please change the wording for option 1. I think it's very important to avoid terms like: as per usual / as used in past Cups / existing format etc etc. Each option should be presented on it's own merits without anything that could influence the voter.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Crazyirishman on Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:20 pm

From the systems that jetsetwilly posted, I personally like the 3rd on 4th options the best.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby IcePack on Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:37 pm

How about 3.1:
Random draw round 1, regular bracket onward (not every round).
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Nicky15 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:39 pm

eddie2 wrote:did you hold a vote in cdf asking if all clans were ok with you dictating that clans who did not want in cdf must join to take part in these clan events now. me personally i dont see why they should have to if they read the sign up thread and are happy to take part then that should be enough. they should not be forced to join a group they do not want to and get involved in convos they do not want to just to make the figures of the group look good.


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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Doc_Brown on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:02 pm

Now that this is an official Conquer Club event, and given that it was yanked out of Dako's hands with nary a personal message to him of either explanation or thanks for past efforts, I propose that this event be renamed. There is already an official Conquer Cup, and it's just going to be confusing to have the Conquer Cup and the Conqueror's Cup. I suggest this be renamed as the 1st Conquer Club Clan Cup.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Keefie on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:05 pm

Doc_Brown wrote:Now that this is an official Conquer Club event, and given that it was yanked out of Dako's hands with nary a personal message to him of either explanation or thanks for past efforts, I propose that this event be renamed. There is already an official Conquer Cup, and it's just going to be confusing to have the Conquer Cup and the Conqueror's Cup. I suggest this be renamed as the 1st Conquer Club Clan Cup.


I'll second that proposal.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Nicky15 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:09 pm

Doc_Brown wrote:Now that this is an official Conquer Club event, and given that it was yanked out of Dako's hands with nary a personal message to him of either explanation or thanks for past efforts, I propose that this event be renamed. There is already an official Conquer Cup, and it's just going to be confusing to have the Conquer Cup and the Conqueror's Cup. I suggest this be renamed as the 1st Conquer Club Clan Cup.


That was always the plan for the final thread, but the name will remain, it is the 4th edition of the Conqueror's Cup, but there is no reason why we can't put the official bit in now.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby IcePack on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:10 pm

1CCCC is just annoying lol
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby BGtheBrain on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:10 pm

The Lackattack Cup
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Doc_Brown on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:34 pm

IcePack wrote:1CCCC is just annoying lol


No need to call it CCCC. It's the 1st annual Clan Cup.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Doc_Brown on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:37 pm

Nicky15 wrote:That was always the plan for the final thread, but the name will remain, it is the 4th edition of the Conqueror's Cup, but there is no reason why we can't put the official bit in now.

I would suggest that the previous 3 Conqueror's Cups were all directed by a single person without extensive input from the clan community. This cup continues in that tradition, but it is a new tournament in its structure and its control. That's why I think it should be the 1st Clan Cup. It's now directed by the clans for the benefit of the clans.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby eddie2 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:06 pm

Nicky15 wrote:
eddie2 wrote:did you hold a vote in cdf asking if all clans were ok with you dictating that clans who did not want in cdf must join to take part in these clan events now. me personally i dont see why they should have to if they read the sign up thread and are happy to take part then that should be enough. they should not be forced to join a group they do not want to and get involved in convos they do not want to just to make the figures of the group look good.


No. Our aim is to try and create a clan world where all clans get a say, and the CDs are not charged with making all the decisions. As much as possible we want clans to be able to decide, and they can't if they are not represented in the CDF. No one is forced to get involved in discussions, and if a clan does not have an opinion on a topic they can abstain their vote. While some may not have an opinion on the way CC4 is organised there may well be an issue that arises mid cup that they will want a say in. Also being a member of CDF means they are a clan with standing enough to make them less likely to pull out mid comp and disrupt the competition. This may well be an non issue as no one apart from yourself has refused to be a member of CDF. AKAs rep is doing his part in the votes we have.


wow what a load of bullshit nicky i did not refuse to be a member i was actually a member for about 3 weeks then felt it was 2 much like the cla so left and what was the reason for that... ow yes it was the fact that qwert opened up the sign up thread while rules were still being talked about and voted on... and what did you clan mods say to me...

He is the organizer of the event so we can guide him and ultimately he can do what he wants....

when i left i put razorvich in my place (which was me who done that) so is that me refusing aka to be members....

now aka are a member of cdf and me as a leader has asked if it has been voted on that you are demanding clans to join a group to take part in a clan event when if there are any clans not members by now and not wanting any part of voting and just want to play the game. (and if a issue comes up they feel about they might join up later out of there own choice.)... and if not why not since you say you are giving the clan world back to the clans to voice there opinion...

2 me after what i have seen over the last couple of days is that clan mods have turned into the new hitler of cc.
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Re: Conqueror's Cup 4

Postby Nicky15 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:32 pm

eddie2 wrote:
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eddie2 wrote:did you hold a vote in cdf asking if all clans were ok with you dictating that clans who did not want in cdf must join to take part in these clan events now. me personally i dont see why they should have to if they read the sign up thread and are happy to take part then that should be enough. they should not be forced to join a group they do not want to and get involved in convos they do not want to just to make the figures of the group look good.


No. Our aim is to try and create a clan world where all clans get a say, and the CDs are not charged with making all the decisions. As much as possible we want clans to be able to decide, and they can't if they are not represented in the CDF. No one is forced to get involved in discussions, and if a clan does not have an opinion on a topic they can abstain their vote. While some may not have an opinion on the way CC4 is organised there may well be an issue that arises mid cup that they will want a say in. Also being a member of CDF means they are a clan with standing enough to make them less likely to pull out mid comp and disrupt the competition. This may well be an non issue as no one apart from yourself has refused to be a member of CDF. AKAs rep is doing his part in the votes we have.


wow what a load of bullshit nicky i did not refuse to be a member i was actually a member for about 3 weeks then felt it was 2 much like the cla so left and what was the reason for that... ow yes it was the fact that qwert opened up the sign up thread while rules were still being talked about and voted on... and what did you clan mods say to me...

He is the organizer of the event so we can guide him and ultimately he can do what he wants....

when i left i put razorvich in my place (which was me who done that) so is that me refusing aka to be members....

now aka are a member of cdf and me as a leader has asked if it has been voted on that you are demanding clans to join a group to take part in a clan event when if there are any clans not members by now and not wanting any part of voting and just want to play the game. (and if a issue comes up they feel about they might join up later out of there own choice.)... and if not why not since you say you are giving the clan world back to the clans to voice there opinion...

2 me after what i have seen over the last couple of days is that clan mods have turned into the new hitler of cc.


Eddie mate, I really don't wish to argue with you, but if you remember you did not want to be part of the CDF. After your experience with the CLA you were not keen on being a member of the new group but I spent time convincing you to give it try because this new CD team were keen to integrate you back positively in the Clan world after your bad experiences in the CLA and the CL. You did for 3 weeks then took yourself out that is true.

Eddie you are arguing an issue that currently does not exist if there is a clan out there that truly doesn't want to be involved in democracy then we will face that issue if it ever arises. We can't have clans jumping in and out on each issue. There have been things we have discussed in the CDF before they reach the public eye. How will a clan know whats being discussed and if they have an opinion on it if they are not there to see it.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby jetsetwilly on Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:37 pm

And more to the point, this thread is purely to discuss the cup format. Please keep unrelated posts off the thread.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby eddie2 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:25 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:And more to the point, this thread is purely to discuss the cup format. Please keep unrelated posts off the thread.


wow where does it say that this is purely a format thread this is a thread for discussion or are you now saying we have no right to do that...

now your previous post actually raises a valid issue that can happen...

Eddie you are arguing an issue that currently does not exist if there is a clan out there that truly doesn't want to be involved in democracy then we will face that issue if it ever arises. We can't have clans jumping in and out on each issue. There have been things we have discussed in the CDF before they reach the public eye. How will a clan know whats being discussed and if they have an opinion on it if they are not there to see it.


now at present there are 52 clans and 55 members of cdf 5 of these are moderators and from what i understand qwert is there as a extra member for clan league....

so there are 3 clans who have opted not to sign up. so a couple of things can happen....

1) they all sign up and just follow majority vote for whatever is being voted for (making it unfair on people voting opposite way and really care about what happens.) or on a plus abstaining from the vote which wont affect it......
2)only 2 clans sign up and one refuses to but wants to take part and after discussion you allow them to take part. that is going to piss off the other 2 clans who only joined to get entry to the event...
3)then you can say that since cdf membership is mandatory for this event if a clan leaves it during the event are you going to kick them out (there will be clans saying they should be kicked out)

now do you not think it would be better to have it say pass the needs to join cdf and friends and highlight the fact that if they want there say on clan issues they need to join the group. and i bet you they properly will join off there own back. and if not then that is there problem...

like me with aka when i left cla the clan left with me and refused further participation within that group. but with cdf i felt it was like cla and left wishing you all the best for the future and told you to remove me and put razorvich in my place. So i was not pulling away from it fully just sitting back and letting another member take my place and i hold no grudge against the group or the clan directors for this.

i do hope you can see that i am speaking sense about what could happen if you demand that someone joins your group and how what they do in that group can start to piss over members off. and if the group is not like cla it will end up like that...

anyway i wont post again on this matter because frankly while it is being run like a dictatorship i wont be taking part (i am not saying razorvich wont sign up and play but i will not.)
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Nicky15 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:42 pm

In this apparent dictatorship, the one thing in the entire format we insisted on were that clans were a member of a democratic group, that got to vote on issues that involved them. Us being a dictatorship kind of contradicts our want for democracy.

Now as i said before we will address this issue if it ever arises. There is currently one clan that has opted out of CDF that is true, and there are two very new clans that haven't quite yet met the requirements to be a member. If any of these three clans want to play, then we will of course consider it. More than likely we would ask for the opinion of the members of CDF.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby eddie2 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:47 pm

Nicky15 wrote:In this apparent dictatorship, the one thing in the entire format we insisted on were that clans were a member of a democratic group, that got to vote on issues that involved them. Us being a dictatorship kind of contradicts our want for democracy.

Now as i said before we will address this issue if it ever arises. There is currently one clan that has opted out of CDF that is true, and there are two very new clans that haven't quite yet met the requirements to be a member. If any of these three clans want to play, then we will of course consider it. More than likely we would ask for the opinion of the members of CDF.


this one sentence just makes the whole rule a load of bullshit then don't it.. meaning you can pick and choose what clan you will allow and what clan you wont allow..
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby jetsetwilly on Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:56 pm

Right getting back on track, do people want a vote on a limited trench inclusion?
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby friendly1 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:56 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:Right getting back on track, do people want a vote on a limited trench inclusion?


It all needs to be voted on. And yes that will make it a longer and more difficult process, but it should make future events easier, and likely help the clan league out as well when it gets annexed as an official Conquer Club event.

Ive been wondering why polls have not been showing up in the CDF yet?
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Crazyirishman on Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:57 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:Right getting back on track, do people want a vote on a limited trench inclusion?


But the cup name and dictatorship discussions were so productive. :(

I know that few will agree with me, but as long as you put a round limit on all trench games you don't need to be a game limit on trench. It's an auxiliary setting that only a few like to use so clans won't go apeshit and make every game trench.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:05 pm

friendly1 wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:Right getting back on track, do people want a vote on a limited trench inclusion?


It all needs to be voted on. And yes that will make it a longer and more difficult process, but it should make future events easier, and likely help the clan league out as well when it gets annexed as an official Conquer Club event.

Ive been wondering why polls have not been showing up in the CDF yet?



Polls are soon to come with in the next few days.
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby IcePack on Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:14 pm

So I don't mind it being listed as "must be a member of CDF".
But beneath it, can you pretty please tell us what those requirements actually are?
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:49 pm

IcePack wrote:So I don't mind it being listed as "must be a member of CDF".
But beneath it, can you pretty please tell us what those requirements actually are?
Thanks!



Pretty much all you have to do is be a clan. Then you can enter CDF. The Usual requirements for a clan apply.

"What do you need for becoming Official :

1. 9 members and 1 leader
2. A name for the clan/group
3. A description
4. Submit the above information Eticket with the group member's names on it.
5. It may take a few days to become offical after that."
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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby IcePack on Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:13 pm

Thanks, that is what i thought. Pretty much just have to exist as a clan to get in.
But I had never seen the actual requirements for CDF entry or the new event, so I was hoping it would be listed somewhere.

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Re: THE OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP 4

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:39 am

Forgot to add you need 2 completed wars to get into CDF.
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