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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Keefie on Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:35 pm

HH would be extremely happy if only 8 clans were seeded.
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Vid_FISO on Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:15 pm

Keefie wrote:HH would be extremely happy if only 8 clans were seeded.


'tis what I suggested it seems like months ago and then got lost in all the posturing
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby jetsetwilly on Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:27 pm

It's a tough one. We were really torn between 8 and 16 seeds. We made our choice and felt we should stick with it. Yes the posts from you guys do make us wonder if we had it the right way around but if we changed it again you just know we would get a pile of grief from someone else for either not liking it or being indecisive yet again !
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Doc_Brown on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:20 pm

jetsetwilly wrote:It's a tough one. We were really torn between 8 and 16 seeds. We made our choice and felt we should stick with it. Yes the posts from you guys do make us wonder if we had it the right way around but if we changed it again you just know we would get a pile of grief from someone else for either not liking it or being indecisive yet again !


You could always put up a vote in the CDF forum. Let it run for a week, and give two options:
Seed top 8 clans.
Seed top 16 clans.

You've settled on the format, and that appears closed for discussion, but it sounds like you might be willing to budge on the number of seeds. Let the clans finalize that detail.
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby greenoaks on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:22 pm

Doc_Brown wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:It's a tough one. We were really torn between 8 and 16 seeds. We made our choice and felt we should stick with it. Yes the posts from you guys do make us wonder if we had it the right way around but if we changed it again you just know we would get a pile of grief from someone else for either not liking it or being indecisive yet again !


You could always put up a vote in the CDF forum. Let it run for a week, and give two options:
Seed top 8 clans.
Seed top 16 clans.

You've settled on the format, and that appears closed for discussion, but it sounds like you might be willing to budge on the number of seeds. Let the clans finalize that detail.

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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Denise on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:49 pm

Bad idea, imo. Enough voting already. You've already made the decision and sign ups have started. If you change it now, I'm pretty sure someone will end up getting hurt.
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:14 am

Doc_Brown wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:It's a tough one. We were really torn between 8 and 16 seeds. We made our choice and felt we should stick with it. Yes the posts from you guys do make us wonder if we had it the right way around but if we changed it again you just know we would get a pile of grief from someone else for either not liking it or being indecisive yet again !


You could always put up a vote in the CDF forum. Let it run for a week, and give two options:
Seed top 8 clans.
Seed top 16 clans.

You've settled on the format, and that appears closed for discussion, but it sounds like you might be willing to budge on the number of seeds. Let the clans finalize that detail.


This would have been the way to handle it. Of all the polls that were conducted, this would have been the simplest one. 16 seeds is far too many. If this number were to be carried on into future editions of the cup you would start to see some very repetitive encounters (as the F400 rankings really don't change that much the higher you go). The greater the element of random the more variety this tournament would have.

And variety is the spice of life n'est-ce-pas?
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby eddie2 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:19 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:
Doc_Brown wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:It's a tough one. We were really torn between 8 and 16 seeds. We made our choice and felt we should stick with it. Yes the posts from you guys do make us wonder if we had it the right way around but if we changed it again you just know we would get a pile of grief from someone else for either not liking it or being indecisive yet again !


You could always put up a vote in the CDF forum. Let it run for a week, and give two options:
Seed top 8 clans.
Seed top 16 clans.

You've settled on the format, and that appears closed for discussion, but it sounds like you might be willing to budge on the number of seeds. Let the clans finalize that detail.


This would have been the way to handle it. Of all the polls that were conducted, this would have been the simplest one. 16 seeds is far too many. If this number were to be carried on into future editions of the cup you would start to see some very repetitive encounters (as the F400 rankings really don't change that much the higher you go). The greater the element of random the more variety this tournament would have.

And variety is the spice of life n'est-ce-pas?


lol i missed that bit of maths 16 seeds ...
51 clans only 32 places so if all 51 clans sign up it means a play in round to lose 19 clans. so take 19 of your 32 gives you 13 so 3 seeded clans will need to play in the play in round

lol so are seeded clans going to play a play in round about which ones will take part in the non seeded play in round....

like i have said format has never bothered me i put my thoughts about how i would like to see it but that was as far as it goes. but since you have it as 16 seeds, where it could be possible 3 clans signing up thinking they don't have to start straight away have to be put into the play in rounds. would it not then be a valid ask to reduce it down to 8 seeded clans...
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby jghost7 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:04 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:
Doc_Brown wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:It's a tough one. We were really torn between 8 and 16 seeds. We made our choice and felt we should stick with it. Yes the posts from you guys do make us wonder if we had it the right way around but if we changed it again you just know we would get a pile of grief from someone else for either not liking it or being indecisive yet again !


You could always put up a vote in the CDF forum. Let it run for a week, and give two options:
Seed top 8 clans.
Seed top 16 clans.

You've settled on the format, and that appears closed for discussion, but it sounds like you might be willing to budge on the number of seeds. Let the clans finalize that detail.


This would have been the way to handle it. Of all the polls that were conducted, this would have been the simplest one. 16 seeds is far too many. If this number were to be carried on into future editions of the cup you would start to see some very repetitive encounters (as the F400 rankings really don't change that much the higher you go). The greater the element of random the more variety this tournament would have.

And variety is the spice of life n'est-ce-pas?


Why not alter a different tournament, or even create an entirely new event to create the randomized tournament that some are wishing for? I can see how it could be interesting. It does not have to be this tournament, it can be its own tourney and not have to deal with the problems surrounding this one. Just a thought.

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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby crispybits on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:25 am

Fine with that, as long as CC4 gives up the "official tournament" tag and prizes that go with it and the official tournament is structured in a way that is equal for all clans, and gives nobody any inherent advantage.
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby eddie2 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:09 am

crispybits wrote:Fine with that, as long as CC4 gives up the "official tournament" tag and prizes that go with it and the official tournament is structured in a way that is equal for all clans, and gives nobody any inherent advantage.


or change the structure of this event
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?mode=cup1
or this event
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=187701

or any tourney that has a offical title lets just seed them all.

to seed top ranking players give them byes to the next round hold playoffs for lower ranking players etc etc..
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby freakns on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:25 pm

crispybits wrote:Fine with that, as long as CC4 gives up the "official tournament" tag and prizes that go with it and the official tournament is structured in a way that is equal for all clans, and gives nobody any inherent advantage.

it can be called my penis in erection unofficial CCup4 as long as i care(as long goes with care, not with full length of my penis... but i do like when someone cares about *him*)

its the competition that thrives me, not official/unofficial title. i dont give a f*ck about title(but you obviously do, even though youll never get close to it... strange)

as for inherited advantage as you call it, its not the advantage. TOFU was 4th seed on CC3, they have faced and beat Otpisani, PACK, KORT and will be facing AFOS in finals. according to latest F400 rankings, to win the cup they would have to beat no10, no4, no1 and no3 clans on list. considering they are no2, im really having problems to see that advantage here. or advantage is they can play bunch of village ppl resident in FISO in first round instead of some good and organized clan?
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Bruceswar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:43 am

Let me say a few things that have needed to be said.

1. For all those clans who are "boycotting" the event. I have to ask if you asked your clan if they would like to play or if this is just your knee jerk reaction to the situation. This is not meant as a slam on anybody, but sometimes we all need to step back a bit and take a deep breath and look again with a clearer head.

2. When dako first opened up discussions for a cup format it was a great thing. It allowed for people to express what they wanted this cup to be. Dako then decided to run the cup as it had been before. (Which I think most people were OK with.) Yes I know some people really wanted an all random cup. Putting it up for discussion and then taking it away I know did not sit well with a few people.

3. We CD's surely have some fault in this whole situation. We clearly made some mistakes and have learned from them. I am not going to place blame on anybody but I think everybody can say the situation boiled over.

4. I would like to apologize to Dako for not getting a chance to fire off a PM or letting him know that we CD's were taking this event official. I will not get into the why of it as I am not going to slam anybody, but there are valid reasons for it. This part I take full blame for and you can all chastise me for it.

5. This cup is going to be lots of fun for everybody involved. I know some of you are mad about how this shook down. When it became clear this had totally boiled over we called in rdsrds2021 for help. He asked us why we even put the format up for a vote. We expressed that full random was popular with some clans. In his words "Well, that's silly", and he wanted us to revert back to what the cup had been for years. We obviously picked a middle ground. With that said I hope you all do not miss out on this cup.

6. I would hope going forward that people will be able to put the differences aside. I saw lots of people shouting at each other, foeing people, and other things. We clans are above that. Sure a good healthy debate is good at times, but we as clans should not let another debate get so heated. No clan should be labeled as "an elitist asshole" or a "low ranked noob clan" Every clan has something to offer to the clan world and every clan is what makes this site so great. This is by far the best website for CC gaming. Bar none. Nobody is even close to having a clan community like ours. I would hope we can keep it that way. We CD's share in some of the blame as we did not step in the middle of the debate as much as we should at times.

7. I know some of you might not like the CD's right now, but I can say this. We CD's are volunteer workers and we spend many hours in the clan area so we can all have some fun. I know you might not agree with everything we do at times, but we are not here to try and make anybody's life on CC harder. We are here to try and do the best we can for clans. We are human and make mistakes at times. I hope going forward everybody can show some mutual respect towards each other.

I will close out with this. As Head CD I am sorry to those of you who feel slighted in all this. It was not my intention to make anybody feel left out. When you are juggling for 50+ clans you can sometimes make mistakes and thus making some clans angry. For that I am sorry and never meant to cause any malice at all. Feel free to flame me if you wish, but I am sincere when I say just like all of you I am here for the enjoyment of the game just like the rest of you. Sure different clans have different goals, but we all want the same thing. Some fun. The CD's are not here to take the fun away from anybody. So if you all want to blame someone, blame me.
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Chewie1 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:11 am

Bruceswar wrote:Let me say a few things that have needed to be said.

1. For all those clans who are "boycotting" the event. I have to ask if you asked your clan if they would like to play or if this is just your knee jerk reaction to the situation. This is not meant as a slam on anybody, but sometimes we all need to step back a bit and take a deep breath and look again with a clearer head.

2. When dako first opened up discussions for a cup format it was a great thing. It allowed for people to express what they wanted this cup to be. Dako then decided to run the cup as it had been before. (Which I think most people were OK with.) Yes I know some people really wanted an all random cup. Putting it up for discussion and then taking it away I know did not sit well with a few people.

3. We CD's surely have some fault in this whole situation. We clearly made some mistakes and have learned from them. I am not going to place blame on anybody but I think everybody can say the situation boiled over.

4. I would like to apologize to Dako for not getting a chance to fire off a PM or letting him know that we CD's were taking this event official. I will not get into the why of it as I am not going to slam anybody, but there are valid reasons for it. This part I take full blame for and you can all chastise me for it.

5. This cup is going to be lots of fun for everybody involved. I know some of you are mad about how this shook down. When it became clear this had totally boiled over we called in rdsrds2021 for help. He asked us why we even put the format up for a vote. We expressed that full random was popular with some clans. In his words "Well, that's silly", and he wanted us to revert back to what the cup had been for years. We obviously picked a middle ground. With that said I hope you all do not miss out on this cup.

6. I would hope going forward that people will be able to put the differences aside. I saw lots of people shouting at each other, foeing people, and other things. We clans are above that. Sure a good healthy debate is good at times, but we as clans should not let another debate get so heated. No clan should be labeled as "an elitist asshole" or a "low ranked noob clan" Every clan has something to offer to the clan world and every clan is what makes this site so great. This is by far the best website for CC gaming. Bar none. Nobody is even close to having a clan community like ours. I would hope we can keep it that way. We CD's share in some of the blame as we did not step in the middle of the debate as much as we should at times.

7. I know some of you might not like the CD's right now, but I can say this. We CD's are volunteer workers and we spend many hours in the clan area so we can all have some fun. I know you might not agree with everything we do at times, but we are not here to try and make anybody's life on CC harder. We are here to try and do the best we can for clans. We are human and make mistakes at times. I hope going forward everybody can show some mutual respect towards each other.

I will close out with this. As Head CD I am sorry to those of you who feel slighted in all this. It was not my intention to make anybody feel left out. When you are juggling for 50+ clans you can sometimes make mistakes and thus making some clans angry. For that I am sorry and never meant to cause any malice at all. Feel free to flame me if you wish, but I am sincere when I say just like all of you I am here for the enjoyment of the game just like the rest of you. Sure different clans have different goals, but we all want the same thing. Some fun. The CD's are not here to take the fun away from anybody. So if you all want to blame someone, blame me.



Some valid comments here Bruce, but without going over old ground...they should have been said earlier.
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Re: Letter to the Clans of CC

Postby Keefie on Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:45 am

Well it looks to me like there are still a few things to change before everyone can be all Happy Clappy again.

At the moment it looks like at least the following clans have no intention to enter with the rules as they stand:

Headless Horsemen
Manifest Destiny
FOED
VDLL
DBC
Clan_FISO
LOTZ

and by the look of the sign up's so far there are probably others. I can't speak for the others but I feel totally disenfranchised by the whole sorry episode. The compromise that was reached and the patronising positive spin it was given, left a very bad taste in my mouth.

What would change my mind: A reduction in the number of seeds to 8. 16 is way too many for a tourney of this size.

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