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Listen to everything that is said and create a new format trying our best to create a tournament that goes some way to please everyone...
With the support and backing of rdsrds2120 we have chose to stop the vote and take an option in the middle of what people want.
Chariot of Fire wrote:I'd love some answers. Bruce? Anyone?
I have some questions:
1. Sign-ups are now being taken for CC4. When do you expect the tournament to begin? Has any concession/consideration been made for the clans still competing in CC3 who are about to embark on a 60-game final or are they expected to start CC4 at the same time as other clans?
2. In the Rules, under 'Seedings' it is written that 'the seedings will be determined by the latest F400 rankings' and then it contradicts itself by saying the 1st April rankings will be used. If the F400 is updated after 1st April and before the draw is made, which version will be used?
3. For the 41st game and 61st game in the challenges prior to the semis & final there is no definition of what that game should be (may I suggest Classic trips, esc, chained, sunny?)
4. For the semis & final, one of the 7 tie-breaker games must be "trips on random". This is too vague. It should establish the settings as well, i.e. spoils, forts & fog/sun. Again I'd suggest you opt for the very straightforward Classic trips ECS as the 7th game otherwise 'random' could end up being Luxembourg (too quick and unfair) or Hive (too long and causes delay)
5. "When games are sent, they must already be created and fully joined by the home team" - and then you give 5 days to the other clan to join? That's almost a week! Why not adopt the system we used to use in the Clan League, i.e. game details are exchanged by a deadline. With the method you're using all I have to do is check the games created by the oppo to see what maps & settings they are going to give us (really easy for a guy sitting in Hong Kong at lunchtime as the midnight deadline in Montreal approaches). Seems really daft.
Those are my questions/suggestions. Thanks
Eddie, there is plenty of valid discussion in this thread. What is not needed is your personal issue with the C&Friends being voiced in here. The group functions well and is far removed from the CLA. You may not agree and that is your prerogative but it's here to stay and serves a very valid purpose.
The Easter holiday in the UK ran from 29th March - April the 1st. So that holiday is over, of course I do not have details for the rest of the world. As you have stated many times that you will not be participating in the Cup then we will pm the rest of your clan to see what their wishes are. You do not need to worry or be involved Eddie If Eddie says he wont represent his clan on this matter then is it fair that we do not give his clan a chance to sign-up ? I don't think so, that is why we will pm every other member of the clan to see if they want to play.
Now as i said before we will address this issue if it ever arises. There is currently one clan that has opted out of CDF that is true, and there are two very new clans that haven't quite yet met the requirements to be a member. If any of these three clans want to play, then we will of course consider it. More than likely we would ask for the opinion of the members of CDF.
You are well aware of the issues in the clan league. Organizers sometimes make bad choices when they are left to make unregulated decisions, you yourself have been a victim of a bad TO.
the clan mods should not be spamming aka members with any messages.
we will have a vote late next week to see if you all want to join this torny.
it has been a total cock up from the start though. lots of heated discussion and regretful comments from heaps of people....all from others not in aka.
benga wrote:Is this then final draft for CC4?
When I read it at first W2.1 was the tie.
Not sure what other things changed.
Chariot of Fire wrote:OK, thanks Nick. As a veteran of many challenges I generally catch a lot of things
Need a consultant?
jetsetwilly wrote:We would not pretend for a second that this was going to satisfy the guys who wanted the full random cup. It's closer to option 1, not because it's meant to favour anyone, but purely because we felt that as someone else put it, "baby steps" were best when introducing change to an established and successful competition
Frederik Hendrik wrote:Huh, seeded? I might have missed something... Is this the official cup?
I have to read up I suppose, but I wonder if my clan is interested in being butchered without any chance to draw a reasonable opponent.
You will hear from VDLL.
denominator wrote:Death By Comity will not be participating due to the seeding.
greenoaks wrote:jetsetwilly wrote:We would not pretend for a second that this was going to satisfy the guys who wanted the full random cup. It's closer to option 1, not because it's meant to favour anyone, but purely because we felt that as someone else put it, "baby steps" were best when introducing change to an established and successful competition
why would you change the format if it was an 'established and successful competition' ?
Leehar wrote:
The only person from Nemesis in Wild Geese was Pmchugh, alongside Nagerous from BPB, and the rest mostly from L4D.
Nemesis disbanded considerably later.
ok question timechapcrap wrote:Arya wrote:As qwert said, please continue discussion about AOC/EMP somewhere else.
In regards to the AOC/EMP merger and CL5 we decided (a decision neither Leehar nor jetsetwilly was a part of), to follow the rules instead of making an exception just because these happen to be very good clans. When they choose to create a new clan instead of the members of one joining the other, they will be treated as a new clan and cannot continue playing CL5. If they wish to continue playing CL5, the members of one clan will need to join the other. It is their choice.
This is a CL5 discussion and I like his idea. There is no rule broken. The players are cup tied for one phase only. It's actually very much in the rules.
if they merged into aoc or empire clan then yes it is in the rules. They have not done that they have dropped the aoc and empire clan (from what i believe into user groups.) So they are now a new clan by there own choice which means they did not enter this event and did not qualify to play in it.....
ps
to the clan mods on this result i think it is the most correct thing you guys/girls have done in the last 2 weeks and hope this is you turning over a new leaf... i will copy this post into the ccup4 thread to carry this convo further.
eddie2 wrote:ok question timechapcrap wrote:Arya wrote:As qwert said, please continue discussion about AOC/EMP somewhere else.
In regards to the AOC/EMP merger and CL5 we decided (a decision neither Leehar nor jetsetwilly was a part of), to follow the rules instead of making an exception just because these happen to be very good clans. When they choose to create a new clan instead of the members of one joining the other, they will be treated as a new clan and cannot continue playing CL5. If they wish to continue playing CL5, the members of one clan will need to join the other. It is their choice.
This is a CL5 discussion and I like his idea. There is no rule broken. The players are cup tied for one phase only. It's actually very much in the rules.
if they merged into aoc or empire clan then yes it is in the rules. They have not done that they have dropped the aoc and empire clan (from what i believe into user groups.) So they are now a new clan by there own choice which means they did not enter this event and did not qualify to play in it.....
ps
to the clan mods on this result i think it is the most correct thing you guys/girls have done in the last 2 weeks and hope this is you turning over a new leaf... i will copy this post into the ccup4 thread to carry this convo further.
so will this be done in ccup4 as well
chapcrap wrote:eddie2 wrote:ok question timechapcrap wrote:Arya wrote:As qwert said, please continue discussion about AOC/EMP somewhere else.
In regards to the AOC/EMP merger and CL5 we decided (a decision neither Leehar nor jetsetwilly was a part of), to follow the rules instead of making an exception just because these happen to be very good clans. When they choose to create a new clan instead of the members of one joining the other, they will be treated as a new clan and cannot continue playing CL5. If they wish to continue playing CL5, the members of one clan will need to join the other. It is their choice.
This is a CL5 discussion and I like his idea. There is no rule broken. The players are cup tied for one phase only. It's actually very much in the rules.
if they merged into aoc or empire clan then yes it is in the rules. They have not done that they have dropped the aoc and empire clan (from what i believe into user groups.) So they are now a new clan by there own choice which means they did not enter this event and did not qualify to play in it.....
ps
to the clan mods on this result i think it is the most correct thing you guys/girls have done in the last 2 weeks and hope this is you turning over a new leaf... i will copy this post into the ccup4 thread to carry this convo further.
so will this be done in ccup4 as well
So, this thing is that they drop from one clan event and are a new clan, but you trust them to play in another clan event? I don't think I will ever understand this decision. I like both clans, but they are messing up one event and refuse to say they are AOC with a new name so that they can keep playing in CL5 as one of the former clans and insist on calling themselves new and are trusted again to enter CC4.
Don't get me wrong, I like both of the former clans and all the members, but I just don't think they should be allowed to do this, the way they are doing it.
chemefreak wrote:Does everyone here honestly believe that a combined Empire (one of the oldest clans on CC) and AoC (an extremely well established clan) would be unable to function in CCup4?
chemefreak wrote:Does everyone here honestly believe that a combined Empire (one of the oldest clans on CC) and AoC (an extremely well established clan) would be unable to function in CCup4?
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