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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:39 am

crispybits wrote:We're a fairly small clan numbers wise (especially once you factor out our freemiums) with a lot of commitments already made for the next couple of months - I think we'd prefer to keep the game count down, or put more into smaller sided games than quads. How about 4, 6, 6, 6 (44 game war, 45 with the tie breaker if needed)?

I don't think we'd have problems with limiting trench - maybe no quads trench, 1 trips trench, 2 dubs trench and 2 singles trench as a limit per set (smaller sided games go quicker so trench slowing things down isn't so much a factor)?


4 singles (Each map is best of 5) (2 trench max = no round limit)
6 dubs (1 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)
6 triples (1 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)
6 quads

No Unlimited Reinforcements
No Freestyle
No Nukes
No Beta
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Maps = once per set
12 fog rule = We'll do our best, if broken, will announce what we did (never intentionally break, but i suck at this)
12 game limit (singles series counts as 1)
Tie breaker on random map, fog, no trench, escalating, chained, quads. Tie breaker match will only be played once all other games are finished and only if necessary (adds a bit more suspense if the rest of the war is tied) i like this
First set one clan does dubs and trips, other does singles and quads, then vice versa for the second set.

I dont want to require "Each set must contain at least one of each spoils types and at least one of each reinforcement type."
above Ive put in No Nukes, No Unlimited.

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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:52 am

At least 2 trench for doubles, the 2 maps we favour most won't get anywhere near a round limit.

Don't play trips so personally don't care there :-)

Quads - are you saying as many as we want or none at all?

Can you qualify what you mean with max 2 trench in singles (again, might not matter to me if I don't get the gig :-))
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:59 am

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BGtheBrain wrote:4 singles (Each map is best of 5) (2 trench max = no round limit)
6 dubs (2 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)
6 triples (1 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)
6 quads (no trench)

No Unlimited Reinforcements
No Freestyle
No Nukes
No Beta
No Random
Maps = once per set
12 fog rule = We'll do our best, if broken, will announce what we did (never intentionally break, but i suck at this)
12 game limit (singles series counts as 1)
Tie breaker on random map, fog, no trench, escalating, chained, quads. Tie breaker match will only be played once all other games are finished and only if necessary (adds a bit more suspense if the rest of the war is tied) i like this
First set one clan does dubs and trips, other does singles and quads, then vice versa for the second set.

I dont want to require "Each set must contain at least one of each spoils types and at least one of each reinforcement type."
above Ive put in No Nukes, No Unlimited.

PS: Thanks Leehar for the medal info


Updated the above
Im good with 2 on dubs
Quads, i went w 0 from crispy sayin
crispybits wrote:I don't think we'd have problems with limiting trench - maybe no quads trench, 1 trips trench, 2 dubs trench and 2 singles trench as a limit per set (smaller sided games go quicker so trench slowing things down isn't so much a factor)?


As for the 2 max in singles it would be out of the 4 series, 2 of the series can be trench, so it would actually be 10 games, but really on counting as 2. That sentence has to have an easier way of being written...
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:07 am

Okay, I can live with that but I'll leave it to crispy to do the rest of the negotiating (but will be having a little word about no trench in quads!!!!)
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby crispybits on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:17 am

lol care to drag my ass out of the fire by allowing 1 of the quads to be trench too BG (with the 30 round limit ofc)? You have taken away nukes and unlimited after all...

If so then I think we have an agreement and all we need is a start date - as mentioned previously we'd need a week or so as we're juggling a lot of other commitments and have 2 try-outs to join so we'd want to let the dust settle to see if we're in a position to commit to this properly (no point going in half-assed after all)

Agree with the singles comments - each best of 5 battles counts as 1 match for the war, and 2 matches can have trench.
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby TheCrown on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:46 am

trench should NOT be in clan wars, what a drag.
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:50 am

TheCrown wrote:trench should NOT be in clan wars, what a drag.


Surprised that you'd be so worried about losing to us!
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby TheCrown on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:10 pm

Vid_FISO wrote:
TheCrown wrote:trench should NOT be in clan wars, what a drag.


Surprised that you'd be so worried about losing to us!


Nice try... it's about longevity, not fear. :P
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:14 pm

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4 singles (Each map is best of 5) (2 trench max = no round limit)
6 dubs (2 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)
6 triples (1 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)
6 quads (1 trench max = 30 rd limit if trench)

No Unlimited Reinforcements
No Freestyle
No Nukes
No Beta
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12 fog rule = We'll do our best, if broken, will announce what we did (never intentionally break, but i suck at this)
12 game limit (singles series counts as 1)
Tie breaker on random map, fog, no trench, escalating, chained, quads. Tie breaker match will only be played once all other games are finished and only if necessary (adds a bit more suspense if the rest of the war is tied) i like this
First set one clan does dubs and trips, other does singles and quads, then vice versa for the second set.

I dont want to require "Each set must contain at least one of each spoils types and at least one of each reinforcement type."
above Ive put in No Nukes, No Unlimited.

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MoB Deadly will be running the war for TNC

let me know who to put for you guys.
Would you be ok with a 4/22 start date?
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby crispybits on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:19 pm

The last 10 quads games I've been in with trench (and most if not all were on large maps) haven't gone beyond 25 rounds. A few of them didn't even last 12.

Someone really needs to out some proper stats together to dispel this myth about trench games 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4 taking so much longer. I'll agree when you have 3 or more factions (singles or teams) fighting each other it's much easier to grind to a stalemate, but when there's only two sides it just doesn't tend to do that.

Looks good BG - let me have a word with my clan mates - I'm away from tomorrow until Sunday though so won't be able to come back to this until then.
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:23 pm

TheCrown wrote:
Vid_FISO wrote:
TheCrown wrote:trench should NOT be in clan wars, what a drag.


Surprised that you'd be so worried about losing to us!


Nice try... it's about longevity, not fear. :P


I'll put it another way, we're a fairly new clan, we happened to join just before trench went live and took to it on some maps. You slaughtered us previously, you outrank us significantly, for every restriction you place on us in a war preventing us playing our "best" game you take an advantage, a significant advantage. You not only get to choose your home maps and settings, every restriction you place/ we conceded to means that you also effectively choose your away settings.

Okay, it might take a week or two longer but do you want a war that is another easy walkover or do you want to actually be tested by our best maps and settings, something that we are currently prevented from selecting? You "should" still win comfortably regardless, but if you truly want a "fair" fight then you should allow us to select whatever maps and settings we feel most comfortable with, not the ones YOU feel most comfortable with, that's what your home maps are for.
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:40 pm

Okay I am the War Organizer and I like what has been proposed so far.

Vid I think we did a good job on compromising with you guys. We started with a completely "standard" war, and we gave in on 1v1 and Trench which both are completely different from the standard team games that are typically used.

I am new to this whole war organizing thing as well. As I do not even have 1 completed war yet.
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby TheCrown on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:02 pm

I was only talking about longevity... put your hackles back down VID. We can war with whatever the organizers come up with... and I can play blind-folded and we will still have a good war. Whoever wins is fine, it's about having fun, don't be so serious. ;)
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:03 pm

Ill add crown as blindfolded to the rules
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:05 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:Okay I am the War Organizer and I like what has been proposed so far.

Vid I think we did a good job on compromising with you guys. We started with a completely "standard" war, and we gave in on 1v1 and Trench which both are completely different from the standard team games that are typically used.

I am new to this whole war organizing thing as well. As I do not even have 1 completed war yet.


Not trying to be funny or awkward but as I understand it one of your clan approached one of ours to see if a war could be organized, I think it's pretty well known that we like trench and as such would always be something that we would want included. You are significantly higher ranked than us, by taking our best settings away from us you make the war easier for yourselves, not sure why we should be happy to get scraps from your table? We won't complain about whatever your home maps and settings are and you'll expect to win most of them, by restricting our choices then you also get an away advantage, but we'll play and lose well regardless. Not sure what good it does for anyone by looking for a war with terms that favour the stronger clan in the first place?

Still, your first war organizing, it'll be crispybits too, got to start somewhere! Good luck to the both of you!

We'll accept our invites and do our best whatever the maps and settings.
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:06 pm

TheCrown wrote:I was only talking about longevity... put your hackles back down VID. We can war with whatever the organizers come up with... and I can play blind-folded and we will still have a good war. Whoever wins is fine, it's about having fun, don't be so serious. ;)


No hackles up at all :-)

I just have more fun playing maps & settings I like and WINNING! :D
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby TheCrown on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:53 pm

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TheCrown wrote:I was only talking about longevity... put your hackles back down VID. We can war with whatever the organizers come up with... and I can play blind-folded and we will still have a good war. Whoever wins is fine, it's about having fun, don't be so serious. ;)


No hackles up at all :-)

I just have more fun playing maps & settings I like and WINNING! :D


cool. And don't think we are weak in trench, not at all. I have my gold on trench, what about you? :-s O:)
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Re: TNC Looking for war Immediately

Postby Vid_FISO on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:05 am

TheCrown wrote:
Vid_FISO wrote:
TheCrown wrote:I was only talking about longevity... put your hackles back down VID. We can war with whatever the organizers come up with... and I can play blind-folded and we will still have a good war. Whoever wins is fine, it's about having fun, don't be so serious. ;)


No hackles up at all :-)

I just have more fun playing maps & settings I like and WINNING! :D


cool. And don't think we are weak in trench, not at all. I have my gold on trench, what about you? :-s O:)


I'll get there eventually, just need to play trench against people I haven't beaten before and win, but as I tend to see the same names in the tourneys I choose to enter and the bulk of my games are clan games, it'll take me quite a while if other clans keep restricting the number of trench games I can play and along with my team mates, I still need to be picking up wins. Give me a couple of years :D
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Re: TNC v FISO (FILLED)

Postby BGtheBrain on Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:49 am

UPDATE:

I didnt even think of deployment.

Id like to add No Manual Deploy

Agree?
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Re: TNC v FISO (FILLED)

Postby crispybits on Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:51 am

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Oh go on then :-P Agreed, but only because I like you :lol:
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Re: TNC v FISO (FILLED)

Postby BGtheBrain on Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:52 am

Gracias lol
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Re: TNC v FISO (FILLED)

Postby crispybits on Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Why has this been moved to archive? I go away for the weekend and before I can get back to my computer for some proper organisation it's fallen off the challenge requests page?

I'll PM MoB Deadly and BG, hoping to get this started at the end of this week (assuming they didn't request this move because they don't wanna play any more :-P)
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Re: TNC v FISO (FILLED)

Postby BGtheBrain on Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:26 pm

I think its moved bc I marked it filled.

I think once the challenege is acccepted they close it... hopefully... i porbably did it wrong lol
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