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Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby chapcrap on Fri May 31, 2013 1:27 pm

This has become an issue lately and I think that something should be done to stop it from happening in the future.

If a clan signs up for an event, they should either be compelled to finish it or not be allowed to participate in future events. Clans need to know what they are getting themselves into. If they don't, then others shouldn't have to suffer a worse event and complications because of their failure. I know that if I have a player drop out of tournaments I am running, I don't freely let that person into the next tournament. Especially if the tournaments are running concurrently. Why would I screw over one of my tournaments to appease that person and let them into another tournament?


I'll be honest, I'd rather not be in the Random League right now and our contact for that league is extremely busy in real life at the moment and apparently we're behind in making games. However, I think that we should honor our commitment or be punished for dropping out. But, if we aren't going to be punishing clans for not following through with the commitments that they've signed up for, then I guess we can just drop out and not have to suffer anything.

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Possible solutions from this thread:
  1. No punishment
  2. Punish on a case by case basis
  3. Have a different punishment for every event
  4. Have a clan wide punishment policy that includes all events
Possible Punishments from this thread:
  1. Ban offending clan from the same event for next year.
  2. Ban offending clan from next major event.
  3. Ban until sufficient recruiting has been done.
  4. Ban offending clan for a given time period. This could include major events or all wars, events, etc.
    1. 2 months
    2. 3 months
    3. 6 months
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby comic boy on Fri May 31, 2013 1:53 pm

I dont have huge problems with your proposition but there is a potential downside which you , and others , seem to have ignored. Lets use the Premier League as an example , half way through a particular clan may have had unexpected success and convincingly beaten some of the favourites in their first 6 matches.
Then suddenly , and this is a common scenario , all hell breaks loose and for a myriad of reasons 5 or 6 of the best players in the clan leave. The clan , under threat of penalty , soldiers on but forfeits some games , loses most others and fails to win another match.
Those clans fortunate enough to play these later matches have been given a huge advantage , yet nothing can be done , whereas if the clan had withdrawn halfway , an equitable and fair solution could have been found.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby chapcrap on Fri May 31, 2013 2:06 pm

So, in your scenario, you have a clan with 15 players and all of a sudden the 5 or 6 best players leave? First of all, how likely is that? A clan with that low of players isn't likely. A clan losing that many players is also unlikely. Those players being the best is more unlikely.

So, if the unlikely scenario happens, then yes, they can drop and be punished for not being better equipped or they can soldier on. I don't have a problem with either scenario. If they had their stuff together, they probably wouldn't be losing the best 33% of their clan. And clan changes happen on the time. So, if you have a 4-5 month event (CL5 and RL), then obviously different clans are going to get different levels of competition anyway. New maps are released, new players come, some players leave. It happens all across the board. So, yes, even after talking through your scenario in my head, I am still in favor of some kind of punishment.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby Gunn217 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:17 pm

One can "what if" a scenario to death. There is a lot of time and effort put into the events and when someone drops out in the middle it sucks for everyone else. "What if" everyone that didn't make the premiere league said "f*ck it, we can't win the whole thing, let's just quit."

I'm not a stickler for the rules most of the time but Chap is right. If you drop out of an event without a great excuse you should be banned from joining that event the next time. I'll put an emphasis on without a great excuse. Things happen and exceptions can always be made for the right reasons.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby Genoke on Fri May 31, 2013 3:10 pm

we've got only 13 players in our clan...14 before, but 1 left due busy RL.
If we would lose another 4 players, then we still have 9 left...may we stay in the clan event? Since 15 games max participation comes around mostly...
that's another angle/perspective. What happens then?
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby benga on Fri May 31, 2013 3:17 pm

Genoke wrote:we've got only 13 players in our clan...14 before, but 1 left due busy RL.
If we would lose another 4 players, then we still have 9 left...may we stay in the clan event? Since 15 games max participation comes around mostly...
that's another angle/perspective. What happens then?


Good point, seems we have to raise the bar to 20 minimum per clan and 10 active to be in war or still participate in events.

Also there is this little thing that clan leaders should do, go and be proactive in taking more members ;)
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby Dako on Fri May 31, 2013 3:26 pm

You should also note that CC clans had 22 events so far (4 x CCup, 5 x CL, 3 x RL, 2 x ACC, 4 x NC, 2 x 1v1, 1 x Random, 1 x TLO) and they were composed of roughly 500+ clans in total. So far there were less than 10 issues when a clan resigned from an event.

Do you really think we need a rule for 1% case scenario? I think we should have a simple description and deal with it case by case.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby freakns on Fri May 31, 2013 3:38 pm

i dont like it, but i cant prevent it. for me, biggest loser in dropping out is a clan that dropped out, so i dont see how any rule would change things. if that however become a trend, then just ban that clan.
for example, we had AOC, EMP and TOFU dropping out from CL5 this year(for different reasons, but still drop out). if they do the same thing in future events, ban them from every competition, because while once can be bad luck, twice is a trend and we cant no longer have faith in that clan.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby eddie2 on Fri May 31, 2013 3:40 pm

i hate to say but you are saying and this is the highlighted part.

This has become an issue lately and I think that something should be done to stop it from happening in the future.


what is the new issue that has caused this as it has never been a problem in the past ?

i am sorry but no harm meant to clan mods or other organisers by my post but we have

cl5 (this is run by qwert but clan moderators are telling him what to do.)
cl4 (run by clan mods ) and i will not go into what happened there. my thoughts are because they run it we do not have a last line of defense to protect us against bad running of tournaments(which happened in previous events so clan moderators stepped in at the request of us and went overboard not allowing public players to run these without full following of rules they set down instead of making them follow the rules they started the event on(dako running cl4 is evidence) instead of the request by us to moderate and make sure rules are being followed without one rule for one and another for more favored members. because the only people we can report it to is the people running it, and we cannot really go to admin because they will usually back up clan moderation with there rulings. so what this has lead to is that if a clan does not like something that they do not like they will just withdraw from the event instead of fighting a pointless issue that will not be resolved by the rules of the event but by favoritism of members it is not going to work. i proberly could word this differently but i have had a couple of drinks and am just voicing my opinion on what has happened to clan events and how rules get bent for different clans and not others.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby L M S on Fri May 31, 2013 3:52 pm

When did CC become obligatory rather than voluntary?
If I enter into a game that isn't full, then decide later I don't want to play for whatever reason and drop...am I to be punished?
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby danryan on Fri May 31, 2013 3:53 pm

L M S wrote:When did CC become obligatory rather than voluntary?
If I enter into a game that isn't full, then decide later I don't want to play for whatever reason and drop...am I to be punished?


Yes, because you're a bad boy.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby L M S on Fri May 31, 2013 3:56 pm

danryan wrote:
L M S wrote:When did CC become obligatory rather than voluntary?
If I enter into a game that isn't full, then decide later I don't want to play for whatever reason and drop...am I to be punished?


Yes, because you're a bad boy.


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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby danryan on Fri May 31, 2013 3:58 pm

L M S wrote:
danryan wrote:
L M S wrote:When did CC become obligatory rather than voluntary?
If I enter into a game that isn't full, then decide later I don't want to play for whatever reason and drop...am I to be punished?


Yes, because you're a bad boy.


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Dan, are you naked?
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Do you have a camera in my office? 8-[
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby L M S on Fri May 31, 2013 4:00 pm

danryan wrote:
L M S wrote:
danryan wrote:
L M S wrote:When did CC become obligatory rather than voluntary?
If I enter into a game that isn't full, then decide later I don't want to play for whatever reason and drop...am I to be punished?


Yes, because you're a bad boy.


I'm dirty too.
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Do you have a camera in my office? 8-[


Yes but, it's the feed I get from the one in your shed that is most disturbing.
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Re: Dropping Major Clan Events

Postby Qwert on Fri May 31, 2013 4:11 pm

eddie
cl5 (this is run by qwert but clan moderators are telling him what to do.)


Well this its not true.
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