Conquer Club

Bones2484 wrote:

Leehar wrote:I had an interesting discussions with Cav earlier. Apparently TSM have 30k posts in their forum (as a barometer, thats more than we have in Announcements )

I know at Empire we had only made it to 20k, it'd be interesting to hear what other clans have as an indication of activity levels

G1 has 55,089 posts since Oct 2007.

More than Callouts

All of our recent in-clan-forum war threads almost beat how much TFFS has altogether.

Foxglove wrote:I only stick around CC because of my clan.

I do loathe the petty drama, but I guess since I'm still here I enjoy my clan mates and the camaraderie more than I hate the spurts of drama.

I do think that the increasing activity of the clan world has has a detrimental effect on the tournament scene. I don't know about 1v1 type games because I don't play them, but there are far, far less of the large, epic, and interesting doubles/triples/quads tournaments. Whenever there are team tournaments now, they always seem to be of the "1 map, win 3 games" variety.

I think it's the other way around: The lethargic and unexciting way the Tournament Department is run, makes people come to the clan scene. There are much more interesting tournaments going on in the clan world than in the tournament part of the site. Plus the added bonus of hanging out with like-minded people is always a plus. I remember the good old days I ran Lx Doubles Series tournaments. You'd always get a core group of teams fighting it out every tournament. Kinda like hanging out with like-minded people. Don't see much of that anymore in tournament scene....

I went to the clan scene to run a tournament. Go figure, I'm not even in a clan....

Lx

Lindax wrote:

Foxglove wrote:I only stick around CC because of my clan.

I do loathe the petty drama, but I guess since I'm still here I enjoy my clan mates and the camaraderie more than I hate the spurts of drama.

I do think that the increasing activity of the clan world has has a detrimental effect on the tournament scene. I don't know about 1v1 type games because I don't play them, but there are far, far less of the large, epic, and interesting doubles/triples/quads tournaments. Whenever there are team tournaments now, they always seem to be of the "1 map, win 3 games" variety.

I think it's the other way around: The lethargic and unexciting way the Tournament Department is run, makes people come to the clan scene. There are much more interesting tournaments going on in the clan world than in the tournament part of the site. Plus the added bonus of hanging out with like-minded people is always a plus. I remember the good old days I ran Lx Doubles Series tournaments. You'd always get a core group of teams fighting it out every tournament. Kinda like hanging out with like-minded people. Don't see much of that anymore in tournament scene....

I went to the clan scene to run a tournament. Go figure, I'm not even in a clan....

Lx

Yes we get it!!! The TD department is terrible, we are all boring and drive people to the clan world ....as a TO I have found it no less or more exciting in the past 2-3 years. Some tournaments are really a lot of fun and some are not. Some are basic and some are more intricate. Some are more exciting and yet some are not.Sometimes you have 50 tournaments open for signups sometimes you only have 25. Its your right to criticize and all, but really its the same stuff you have posted over and over...you don't agree with how the TD's are doing there jobs we get it!!...can we move on now??

On a happier not..I am Glad you found your place in the clan world

Oh yes and apparently it has to be said "This post is not meant to flame or bait, I am just stating my personal view"

Large tournaments have nearly gone away since the new large team tournament rules were put in place.

IcePack wrote:Large tournaments have nearly gone away since the new large team tournament rules were put in place.

This.

mcshanester29 wrote:

Lindax wrote:

Foxglove wrote:I only stick around CC because of my clan.

I do loathe the petty drama, but I guess since I'm still here I enjoy my clan mates and the camaraderie more than I hate the spurts of drama.

I do think that the increasing activity of the clan world has has a detrimental effect on the tournament scene. I don't know about 1v1 type games because I don't play them, but there are far, far less of the large, epic, and interesting doubles/triples/quads tournaments. Whenever there are team tournaments now, they always seem to be of the "1 map, win 3 games" variety.

I think it's the other way around: The lethargic and unexciting way the Tournament Department is run, makes people come to the clan scene. There are much more interesting tournaments going on in the clan world than in the tournament part of the site. Plus the added bonus of hanging out with like-minded people is always a plus. I remember the good old days I ran Lx Doubles Series tournaments. You'd always get a core group of teams fighting it out every tournament. Kinda like hanging out with like-minded people. Don't see much of that anymore in tournament scene....

I went to the clan scene to run a tournament. Go figure, I'm not even in a clan....

Lx

Yes we get it!!! The TD department is terrible, we are all boring and drive people to the clan world ....as a TO I have found it no less or more exciting in the past 2-3 years. Some tournaments are really a lot of fun and some are not. Some are basic and some are more intricate. Some are more exciting and yet some are not.Sometimes you have 50 tournaments open for signups sometimes you only have 25. Its your right to criticize and all, but really its the same stuff you have posted over and over...you don't agree with how the TD's are doing there jobs we get it!!...can we move on now??

On a happier not..I am Glad you found your place in the clan world

Oh yes and apparently it has to be said "This post is not meant to flame or bait, I am just stating my personal view"

I guess you don't get it!!!! I guess you're taking it personal.

No, you are not all boring.

Where have I ever said that I don't agree with how the TDs do their jobs? I think the TDs are doing a good job with the tools and leadership they have.

My beef is with the leadership of the Tournament Department and specifically that leadership being lethargic and basically not doing much for the tournament section of CC. Do I have to bring up the New Tournament Handbook again (for example)? Supposedly being written and finished when I was still a TD? I will keep posting over and over again. It's all I can do to maybe one day see something change.... Believe it or not, I still care very much for the tournament world on CC. And it could be so much better and exciting.

Lx

IcePack wrote:Large tournaments have nearly gone away since the new large team tournament rules were put in place.

I wrote those rules. There is nothing in there to prevent large tournaments.

There were never many large team tournaments before the rules came into effect.

I think you may be wrongly using the term "Large Team Tournaments". The rules are for tournaments with large teams, not for large tournaments.

Lx

Lindax wrote:

Foxglove wrote:I only stick around CC because of my clan.

I do loathe the petty drama, but I guess since I'm still here I enjoy my clan mates and the camaraderie more than I hate the spurts of drama.

I do think that the increasing activity of the clan world has has a detrimental effect on the tournament scene. I don't know about 1v1 type games because I don't play them, but there are far, far less of the large, epic, and interesting doubles/triples/quads tournaments. Whenever there are team tournaments now, they always seem to be of the "1 map, win 3 games" variety.

I think it's the other way around: The lethargic and unexciting way the Tournament Department is run, makes people come to the clan scene. There are much more interesting tournaments going on in the clan world than in the tournament part of the site. Plus the added bonus of hanging out with like-minded people is always a plus. I remember the good old days I ran Lx Doubles Series tournaments. You'd always get a core group of teams fighting it out every tournament. Kinda like hanging out with like-minded people. Don't see much of that anymore in tournament scene....

Maybe it just depends on your perspective. Before KORT formed, and when we were still new and not constantly participating in multiple events, I feel like I played in quite a few big, fun tournaments. AndrewB's doubles league, quite a few fun quads tournaments that were themed on multiple maps (Credit Crunch [awesome job, Pedronicus!], Cruise, Mixed Maps, etc.). Bruce and I ran a large multi-map tournament. Your TLO tournaments. I remember thinking there were often good team tournaments to join, but then people stopped playing in them as more and more exciting clan events came into being (Conqueror's Cup, Clan League, and all of the others).

And now, whenever I check out the tournament section, I almost never see anything like those. I don't find the idea of playing in a single map 3 round tournament all that exciting (though it can be fun sometimes), and I miss the big tournaments.

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It was about 6 months ago I joined a tournament, and this is also the first time in six months I have one up as a TO. Have I made a conscious decision to stay away, not really, the answer is simple:
CC3, CL5, RLIII & 7UPII (which is technically a non-clan tournament I suppose, yay) I haven't had time for non-clan friends, let alone running around filling my schedule with tournaments...

The clan scene has become so busy that it doesn't surprise me at all that team-game tournaments are in decline. Most of the hard-core CC players that like team-games are obviously in clans, and their days are filled with Cups and Leagues. One after another, overlapping.
Even if people did have time to run/partake in said tournaments, they don't have an appetite for it in the same way anymore.

Is this a bad thing? Well I'd say that's looking at it the wrong way: It is simply a consequence of the changing clan scene. Team-game tournaments are in decline because the purpose they serve(d) is being filled in other ways, if you take my meaning.
Too look at that with regret is to indulge in pointless nostalgia.

And for those that would argue the point, may I suggest you go sign up for the Atlantis boys large-team WWII tournament instead. Seek and you shall find, every now and then

PS; TOFU has 36,000+

I remember great doubles tournaments by ballenus. Oh how I wanted to win one of them each time I signed up there! They were one of the best. All TLO's are still considered one of the best team/clan tournaments there ever were. 7UP is another nice one. Some TOFU players like to play a lot of games and they sign up for tournaments. We also try to keep up with major large-team tournaments and join them if we have the capacity.

Condescending remarks about pointless nostalgia notwithstanding, I think one thing that is hindered by the majority of competitive team play being within clans is that players don't have much opportunity to play those types of games with CC friends who aren't members of their own clan.

Yes, that is sad indeed. To many events? But I like them!

Dako wrote:I remember great doubles tournaments by ballenus. Oh how I wanted to win one of them each time I signed up there! They were one of the best. All TLO's are still considered one of the best team/clan tournaments there ever were. 7UP is another nice one. Some TOFU players like to play a lot of games and they sign up for tournaments. We also try to keep up with major large-team tournaments and join them if we have the capacity.

Yeah, I think we're in a place now where pretty much all teams for the large-team tournaments are organized on clan lines.

I'm envisioning a tournament scene of the future, in which people compete with other players who might not even be from the same clan.

Dako wrote:Yes, that is sad indeed. To many events? But I like them!

Me too. A lot of us used to play more tournaments, and we obviously made the choice to participate in fewer tournaments and more clan events.

But maybe it's gone a little too far.

i used to like tournaments... i remember winning HA's biggest tournament by that time(625 participants), that was big time for me. i liked blitz money makers. quad tournament with different maps and interesting idea... and this is what tournaments are missing now, new, fresh ideas.
also, clans are much more interesting, because they show team play. you have 15+ ppl battling on your side, not everything is on your shoulders, just like in real life you have to depend on others... and truthfully, sometimes watching a game is more exciting then playing one! its just like WOW, you all go and play same stupid dungeons over and over, doing meaningless quests, just so you get ready for raids, because 25(or those 40 ppl raids from burning crusade... when i was young... and not this fat... and bit smarter... *sob*... man, those were fun!) raids are reason why so many ppl played WOW and not to do quests on their own!

as for posts, we have 3250... we just arent that active on forum. most of conversation is going via PMs and skype.

Dako wrote:I remember great doubles tournaments by ballenus. Oh how I wanted to win one of them each time I signed up there! They were one of the best. All TLO's are still considered one of the best team/clan tournaments there ever were. 7UP is another nice one. Some TOFU players like to play a lot of games and they sign up for tournaments. We also try to keep up with major large-team tournaments and join them if we have the capacity.

I may do another TLO tourney again if you guys like it so much. I decided to stop doing them because I always seemed to make more people unhappy than happy when I had to make executive decisions....

Lx

Lindax wrote:

Dako wrote:I remember great doubles tournaments by ballenus. Oh how I wanted to win one of them each time I signed up there! They were one of the best. All TLO's are still considered one of the best team/clan tournaments there ever were. 7UP is another nice one. Some TOFU players like to play a lot of games and they sign up for tournaments. We also try to keep up with major large-team tournaments and join them if we have the capacity.

I may do another TLO tourney again if you guys like it so much. I decided to stop doing them because I always seemed to make more people unhappy than happy when I had to make executive decisions....

Lx

They were wonderful! It's good that you experiment with the format, but previous editions were great. If you ever run another TLO I am sure many clans will join and will offer help organizing the event. And I know what it feels to be a decision maker, all hard to be the one to get the ball rolling. But I doubt people have problems with that - it's your tournament in the end, so you are the boss. Just keep it that way, you will see that many many teams will join.

I noticed something else that no one seemed to mention. I'm a fairly recently returned player after a break of a few years. I had never really thought about the clan scene or really knew what it was about until a few months ago, some clans asked me to join and I ended up with Kort.

One majorly annoying thing I noticed is that people don't want to discuss turns anymore in team games. I was put off joining tournaments for the most part because of lack of communication. You cannot play effectively without friggen some sort of communication, even if it's notes in gamechat about a direction to take. CC was certainly a different animal in that regard back in 2009.

Since getting into the clan world in the past few months, I've started to wonder... Is the unwillingness to communicate with people outside of your clan related to the fact that people are afraid to give away their strategies?

If the answer to this is "yes" then there goes your reason for the big team tournament's demise.

I have to agree with Shannon a little bit there too. I joined THOTA in 2009 also, and it was at that time when I started to learn the importance of discussing turns and "planning" team games. I would say now, I talk in all my "social" team games and my clan games are far more chat filled. Night and day difference from before my clan world experiences.

On another note, if Blitz were here he would want to share how much bigger his ..... clan posting is......than any of yours. THOTA, though retired (and having only posted maybe a total of 50 times during that time) is at over 18.5k posts.

Also, Forza ran the Premier League which zips and I won in 2009 and I still think that is one of the best tourney wins I have. It was a well run and long tournament. Even being a doubles tourney, it seems all the tourneys in place now are not as lengthy as they used to be.

Dako wrote:

Lindax wrote:TLO!
Lx

They were wonderful! It's good that you experiment with the format, but previous editions were great. If you ever run another TLO I am sure many clans will join and will offer help organizing the event. And I know what it feels to be a decision maker, all hard to be the one to get the ball rolling. But I doubt people have problems with that - it's your tournament in the end, so you are the boss. Just keep it that way, you will see that many many teams will join.

Yes, this!

I love the idea of a tournament which encourages a mixture of players from different clans being given the opportunity to play together. Each clan enters a fixed number of players who are then randomly teamed together. A great way to get to know people outside of your regular circle.

However, to pick up on Shannon's point, I wouldn't get involved without some sort of commitment from all the players entering to provide regular team chat. Clan life spoils you in that regard and I don't enjoy games that don't include it.

jetsetwilly wrote:I love the idea of a tournament which encourages a mixture of players from different clans being given the opportunity to play together. Each clan enters a fixed number of players who are then randomly teamed together. A great way to get to know people outside of your regular circle.

However, to pick up on Shannon's point, I wouldn't get involved without some sort of commitment from all the players entering to provide regular team chat. Clan life spoils you in that regard and I don't enjoy games that don't include it.

Off the top of my head a quick thought in answer to your and Foxy's point: If you would like to see a large team tourney where people don't sign up with their clan-mates that could ofc just be written into the rules. That the team of 8 must consist of no two players from the same clan, or only two players from the same clan or so forth.

But I don't think it's strange to want to play such tournaments with clan-mates. I for example have only been in TOFU for 7-8 months, I definitely don't feel I have had the time to get to know all my clan-mates as much as I'd like on the field, and any such tournament is a chance to play more with the clan I've chosen to be a part of.
That said, I'm not saying a non-clan big-team tourney would be a bad thing, might even be refreshing.

Willy, Foxy, get to work Put those brilliant minds to work and bring us the tourney to put all other tourneys to shame. I have no doubt you are capable.

I know many players like to play together with different/outside own clan players.Ive recently made a challenge in callouts with 8 players that decided to join.We played alot of quads together and against and for me it was a delightfull experience and i think (hopefully) everyone enjoyed. I met a bit better some great players and games were really fun.

I guess some just dont bother the risk of playing in the team of that guy who does not even read chat and plays carelessly just because he writes "im in " in every tournament thread, without even looking at the tourney itself. I can include myself in this list, not because i think im good but just because it ruins my gameplay experience.
So people sometimes join teamtournaments with member of their own clan, of whom they rely, but then it becomes a bit boring because those are the guys that you play together in clanevents every week.

The question is not who has nice ideias to provide a great team tournament experience but from that people , who has time to do that?... because it requires a lot of commitement.

Cheers