Keefie wrote:^ +1
Great post Shannon
I'll note that you were among those complaining about the insider politics. But, when someone tries to come up with a system, you ultimately uphold the status quo. That's fine. Do nothing now. But, if you don't want real change, then your complaints ring hollow.
Shannon Apple wrote:Having any kind of election for positions of responsiblity on a forum site is a no no. People are going to vote for their friends and clanmates. There is pressure on people to vote for their friends in any kind of popularity contest. That's what it WILL turn into, I'm sorry... a popularity contest. What accompanies every forum popularity contest? Yes, you've guessed it, drama, and lots of it.
Except, that it's not a no, no. And I'm very familiar with people's tribal nature during argument. That seems to be the constant de-evolution that I face when I bring up ideas to change the system. But, if the vote is constricted to one clan, one vote in the CDF then that's a limited concern. I think that clan leaders in general want the best man for the job; or at least someone who they feel can perform the job adequately. At the very least, that's going to be an over-riding concern.
Shannon Apple wrote:A team needs to gel in order to work together. They need to be unbiased people who are active and willing to spend their time doing stuff for the site. That's why, under the current system, people who spend a lot of time and show themselves to be unbiased and don't cause trouble are picked. Some of you hate the current CDs because you disagreed with some of their past decisions. Having elected CDs will only pose greater problems. People will be railroaded into doing the bidding of their own clans and shit like that. I see so much wrong with it.
An elected team can gel just fine. And there's no such thing as an unbiased person. And it's ignorant to pretend that this is about 'hating a CD.' But what's sadder is that you make these careless accusations and two people immediately applaud the hell out of your post. Also, I'm not sure how elections all of the sudden lead to being railroaded? Nor how an appointed CD is somehow no less susceptible to being railroaded. That's definitely more faulty logic.
Shannon Apple wrote:Some of you who are for elections have never worked on any kind of team online, so you have no idea how things work from the backend. It is a very different ball game when you are on the other side of the fence tying to please everyone but knowing full well that whatever decision you make is going to end up with one side in that particular scuffle being butthurt. Electing people will not make clan people nicer. You lot are ruthless and unforgiving of the staff who do so much for CC. Although, I speak of probably a handful of people when I say that.
That's your assumption that people who are for elections are somehow less enlightened than yourself. And the point of elections isn't just to find a team that you think works oh so perfectly together. Competing visions is not a bad thing. In fact, they foster debate among the clans.