Conquer Club

Leehar wrote:Thanks for all the Applications everyone. I still want to overtake the TD's record of 11, so keep the Apps rolling in!

At the same time, remember that this is the best opportunity for you to inform us of your benefits, so be sure to take advantage and elucidate as much as possible upon your merits, and the positive impact you can make to both the CD's & the clan world since we can't always read between the lines.

I think I had more than 11 when I was Ent Head.

ViperOverLord wrote:Arya: I totally disagree. Currently, the CDs have granted themselves excessive powers and have often went against the collective wishes of clans. Nor are they especially accountable when they make (adverse) decisions. This being the case, we should be allowed to pick CDs who we think will strive to represent the collective community, instead of our current system that is much more conducive to power brokering. If we pick the CDs then clans can take greater ownership of whatever happens.

As for the duties, that is an easy breakdown that can be stated up front. If everyone is there to do their duties without confrontation, then a meshing of personalities is not especially important. And frankly, what about CDs who clan leaders/members think they can easily deal with? Does that somehow get thrown out the window in favor of a very small group of people supposedly maximizing their comfort levels?

I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture here Viper.

CC is a commercial website.

CC decided to create an area where clans can meet, have discussions, have clan wars, tournaments, etc. CC obviously needs people to channel all this stuff, i.e., facilitate and moderate. So, CC puts a team of volunteers into place to do exactly that.

There is no other area on CC where members get to give as much input and their say on the way things are done. Now you want to take it a step further and you would like the clans to take over this area by electing the volunteers? Basically you're asking for independence. Would you agree with that if you were CC?

Be happy CC create this area and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.

Lx

PS: Did you apply for a CD position? That would give you a chance to "improve" things.

PPS: "Good enough is good enough, whilst perfection is a pain in the ass and often not worth the trouble anyway". That's a quote my wife throws at me regularly. Off topic, I know. It's a reaction to what you said to qwert in another thread. You attack him for trying to be perfect, yet you're the first one to complain when things aren't perfect in your opinion. I don't think he was trying to be perfect, I think he was trying to be practical. Have you ever run, or tried to run, anything of the magnitude of CL5? Do you have any idea how much more work it is to gather results, etc., if you can't rely on game labels?

Lindax wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:Arya: I totally disagree. Currently, the CDs have granted themselves excessive powers and have often went against the collective wishes of clans. Nor are they especially accountable when they make (adverse) decisions. This being the case, we should be allowed to pick CDs who we think will strive to represent the collective community, instead of our current system that is much more conducive to power brokering. If we pick the CDs then clans can take greater ownership of whatever happens.

As for the duties, that is an easy breakdown that can be stated up front. If everyone is there to do their duties without confrontation, then a meshing of personalities is not especially important. And frankly, what about CDs who clan leaders/members think they can easily deal with? Does that somehow get thrown out the window in favor of a very small group of people supposedly maximizing their comfort levels?

I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture here Viper.

CC is a commercial website.

CC decided to create an area where clans can meet, have discussions, have clan wars, tournaments, etc. CC obviously needs people to channel all this stuff, i.e., facilitate and moderate. So, CC puts a team of volunteers into place to do exactly that.

There is no other area on CC where members get to give as much input and their say on the way things are done. Now you want to take it a step further and you would like the clans to take over this area by electing the volunteers? Basically you're asking for independence. Would you agree with that if you were CC?

Be happy CC create this area and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.

Lx

PS: Did you apply for a CD position? That would give you a chance to "improve" things.

PPS: "Good enough is good enough, whilst perfection is a pain in the ass and often not worth the trouble anyway". That's a quote my wife throws at me regularly. Off topic, I know. It's a reaction to what you said to qwert in another thread. You attack him for trying to be perfect, yet you're the first one to complain when things aren't perfect in your opinion. I don't think he was trying to be perfect, I think he was trying to be practical. Have you ever run, or tried to run, anything of the magnitude of CL5? Do you have any idea how much more work it is to gather results, etc., if you can't rely on game labels?

Game. Set. Match. Eloquent reply, Lindax. So Mr. Viper and Ms. VoIet...have either of you put your money where your mouths are? Or are you just big talkers?

plus 1

If viper and violet want to complain then I think they ought to name names or be more specific. We are talking about people giving up their time to do this - be glad and happy that anyone wants to take time out of their real world lives to take this on

Lindax wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:Arya: I totally disagree. Currently, the CDs have granted themselves excessive powers and have often went against the collective wishes of clans. Nor are they especially accountable when they make (adverse) decisions. This being the case, we should be allowed to pick CDs who we think will strive to represent the collective community, instead of our current system that is much more conducive to power brokering. If we pick the CDs then clans can take greater ownership of whatever happens.

As for the duties, that is an easy breakdown that can be stated up front. If everyone is there to do their duties without confrontation, then a meshing of personalities is not especially important. And frankly, what about CDs who clan leaders/members think they can easily deal with? Does that somehow get thrown out the window in favor of a very small group of people supposedly maximizing their comfort levels?

I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture here Viper.

CC is a commercial website.

CC decided to create an area where clans can meet, have discussions, have clan wars, tournaments, etc. CC obviously needs people to channel all this stuff, i.e., facilitate and moderate. So, CC puts a team of volunteers into place to do exactly that.

There is no other area on CC where members get to give as much input and their say on the way things are done. Now you want to take it a step further and you would like the clans to take over this area by electing the volunteers? Basically you're asking for independence. Would you agree with that if you were CC?

Be happy CC create this area and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.

Lx

PS: Did you apply for a CD position? That would give you a chance to "improve" things.

PPS: "Good enough is good enough, whilst perfection is a pain in the ass and often not worth the trouble anyway". That's a quote my wife throws at me regularly. Off topic, I know. It's a reaction to what you said to qwert in another thread. You attack him for trying to be perfect, yet you're the first one to complain when things aren't perfect in your opinion. I don't think he was trying to be perfect, I think he was trying to be practical. Have you ever run, or tried to run, anything of the magnitude of CL5? Do you have any idea how much more work it is to gather results, etc., if you can't rely on game labels?

Nicely said.

Votes will bring more drama. No more of that drama needed i guess.
People should apply and Cd people should gather some opinions outside their bubble.But decision should be theirs.

Lindax wrote:and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.

Agree 200%

Lindax wrote:Be happy CC create this area ....

Now thats the part i dont understand.What did CC actually create in the clan world?
In my understanding volunteers and clans created this.Not CC
This gaming site as probably one of the worst clan areas ive ever seen. Im am truly amazed about what people have accomplished here along the years. Only relying on a forum to organize everything its heroic.
So i really do not understand when u say that, but maybe im missing something

I can give u 2 very basic examples but fundamental for someone to consider that CC has its own clan area :
-CC have any kind of clan ranking..on who do u rely?volunteers...amazing and hard work on f400
-CC does not have any kind of tool that allows the creation of League tables or cupbrackets..once again who does that?..volunteers have to find other sites/create their own excel to do that

So CC has NO clan area. It has a forum where some dedicated people organize clan wars and tournaments

That's a big discussion here. I won't comment it, but...

I'm against election for a some reasons, CDs know what kind of work are needed do be done. General people maybe don't know what it takes and don't know the real person behind the name and avatar that they will vote for. It will only be a popularity contest, it may be not take the best candidates for the ``job``.

I think they have a made a great job. Not a good benevole job, a good job, period. I don't see what to complain about. Each decision you make cannot satisfied all.

Finally, I can't wait to see who will be taken!

Peace

QuikSilver wrote:Finally, I can't wait to see who will be taken!

Peace

i believe chapcrap was the only successful candidate

The Voice wrote:

Lindax wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:Arya: I totally disagree. Currently, the CDs have granted themselves excessive powers and have often went against the collective wishes of clans. Nor are they especially accountable when they make (adverse) decisions. This being the case, we should be allowed to pick CDs who we think will strive to represent the collective community, instead of our current system that is much more conducive to power brokering. If we pick the CDs then clans can take greater ownership of whatever happens.

As for the duties, that is an easy breakdown that can be stated up front. If everyone is there to do their duties without confrontation, then a meshing of personalities is not especially important. And frankly, what about CDs who clan leaders/members think they can easily deal with? Does that somehow get thrown out the window in favor of a very small group of people supposedly maximizing their comfort levels?

I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture here Viper.

CC is a commercial website.

CC decided to create an area where clans can meet, have discussions, have clan wars, tournaments, etc. CC obviously needs people to channel all this stuff, i.e., facilitate and moderate. So, CC puts a team of volunteers into place to do exactly that.

There is no other area on CC where members get to give as much input and their say on the way things are done. Now you want to take it a step further and you would like the clans to take over this area by electing the volunteers? Basically you're asking for independence. Would you agree with that if you were CC?

Be happy CC create this area and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.

Lx

PS: Did you apply for a CD position? That would give you a chance to "improve" things.

PPS: "Good enough is good enough, whilst perfection is a pain in the ass and often not worth the trouble anyway". That's a quote my wife throws at me regularly. Off topic, I know. It's a reaction to what you said to qwert in another thread. You attack him for trying to be perfect, yet you're the first one to complain when things aren't perfect in your opinion. I don't think he was trying to be perfect, I think he was trying to be practical. Have you ever run, or tried to run, anything of the magnitude of CL5? Do you have any idea how much more work it is to gather results, etc., if you can't rely on game labels?

Game. Set. Match. Eloquent reply, Lindax. So Mr. Viper and Ms. VoIet...have either of you put your money where your mouths are? Or are you just big talkers?

Gilligan wrote:Nicely said.

lokisgal wrote:plus 1

If viper and violet want to complain then I think they ought to name names or be more specific. We are talking about people giving up their time to do this - be glad and happy that anyone wants to take time out of their real world lives to take this on

+1

greenoaks wrote:

QuikSilver wrote:Finally, I can't wait to see who will be taken!

Peace

i believe chapcrap was the only successful candidate

If true, I'm not surprised.

Gilligan wrote:

Leehar wrote:Thanks for all the Applications everyone. I still want to overtake the TD's record of 11, so keep the Apps rolling in!

At the same time, remember that this is the best opportunity for you to inform us of your benefits, so be sure to take advantage and elucidate as much as possible upon your merits, and the positive impact you can make to both the CD's & the clan world since we can't always read between the lines.

I think I had more than 11 when I was Ent Head.

I remember 3 applied for one of the graphics positions


Anyway, applications close tomorrow, we're approaching the 20 mark, so we should have a decent pool of candidates before hopefully drawing a shortlist heading into an interview stage to gain a further understanding of the applicants, as well as perhaps give some a chance to redeem themselves from our initial assessment .

greenoaks wrote:

QuikSilver wrote:Finally, I can't wait to see who will be taken!

Peace

i believe chapcrap was the only successful candidate

I smell BS around here and Kort are nowhere to be seen

Keefie wrote:

greenoaks wrote:

QuikSilver wrote:Finally, I can't wait to see who will be taken!

Peace

i believe chapcrap was the only successful candidate

I smell BS around here and Kort are nowhere to be seen

if you visit Off-Topics you'd smell BBS

greenoaks wrote:

Keefie wrote:

greenoaks wrote:

QuikSilver wrote:Finally, I can't wait to see who will be taken!

Peace

i believe chapcrap was the only successful candidate

I smell BS around here and Kort are nowhere to be seen

if you visit Off-Topics you'd smell BBS

if you visit clan archives you'd smell BSS

Lindax wrote:I think you need to take a step back and look at the big picture here Viper.

CC is a commercial website.

CC decided to create an area where clans can meet, have discussions, have clan wars, tournaments, etc. CC obviously needs people to channel all this stuff, i.e., facilitate and moderate. So, CC puts a team of volunteers into place to do exactly that.

An election system changes none of that.

Lindax wrote:There is no other area on CC where members get to give as much input and their say on the way things are done. Now you want to take it a step further and you would like the clans to take over this area by electing the volunteers? Basically you're asking for independence. Would you agree with that if you were CC?

Admin has and always will have any final say upon who represents them. Whether they are initially selected by CDs or the community is not relevant to that reality. And I would agree with it if I were CC because the community would be fully involved and it would lessen the inevitable squabbles that are the result of our insider oriented system now.

BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Lindax wrote:Be happy CC create this area and be even happier that people are willing to dedicate their time and effort to make this area work.

How does wanting an election system say that I am not "happy" with any positive efforts that anyone does?

Lindax wrote:PS: Did you apply for a CD position? That would give you a chance to "improve" things.

I did not. Given that I've been among the most vocal critics of CD politics, that would seem like an exercise in futility. I did post the opening in my clan forum and there was some discussion there. One clan member has said he would like to apply. I don't know if he'll apply in time or not. I haven't pressed it since I've read about an abundance of applicants.

Lindax wrote:PPS: "Good enough is good enough, whilst perfection is a pain in the ass and often not worth the trouble anyway". That's a quote my wife throws at me regularly. Off topic, I know. It's a reaction to what you said to qwert in another thread. You attack him for trying to be perfect, yet you're the first one to complain when things aren't perfect in your opinion. I don't think he was trying to be perfect, I think he was trying to be practical. Have you ever run, or tried to run, anything of the magnitude of CL5? Do you have any idea how much more work it is to gather results, etc., if you can't rely on game labels?

Not sure what relevance this has to the concept of elections. I've not made any arguments here based upon trivial snipes. My argument is based upon the fact that elections find the best CDs to represent ALL clans. If a CD performs up to their standards then they'll likely continue in that capacity if they desire. But, currently if a CD acts not in the interest of the majority of the clans or even a significant minority; then there is no recourse for the disenchanted (often disenfranchised) clans. That needs to change. If we pick our CDs, we all own it. Enough of this insider politics nonsense.

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Now, I haven't replied to every other response. But, I'm not surprised to see the same tiresome taunts coming from some members who are the greatest beneficiaries of our insider politics system.

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

Yeah, homework Viper. I was a TD long before I was chosen to lead the TO usergroup. Which, incidentally, was after I resigned as a TD.

The rest of your answers in your latest post merely show that you either didn't read my comments properly or you simply don't have anything constructive to say.

Sometimes one is better off by not responding.

Lx

Lindax wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

Yeah, homework Viper. I was a TD long before I was chosen to lead the TO usergroup. Which, incidentally, was after I resigned as a TD.

The rest of your answers in your latest post merely show that you either didn't read my comments properly or you simply don't have anything constructive to say.

Sometimes one is better off by not responding.

Lx

I read and responded to all of your comments and even thoroughly broke them down. It's cheap for you to say otherwise. If there's a specific point that you think is paramount that I somehow did not regard then go ahead and note it. And you were in a vote with other people that had not been TD's. And everything I said was in a constructive manner. You're just taking (more) cheap shots to be saying otherwise, which is plenty sad. No surprise, given you started your message on an ignorant, condescending note.

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

No. There was a TD position that has been put up for vote multiple times. LX won that vote once or twice. Darin44 won it thereafter. And that's a good thing. The community got to choose whomever they wanted to work with and/or whomever's vision they supported. There is no need for a handful of people to have so much power irrespective of the entire clan community.

ViperOverLord wrote:

Lindax wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

Yeah, homework Viper. I was a TD long before I was chosen to lead the TO usergroup. Which, incidentally, was after I resigned as a TD.

The rest of your answers in your latest post merely show that you either didn't read my comments properly or you simply don't have anything constructive to say.

Sometimes one is better off by not responding.

Lx

I read and responded to all of your comments and even thoroughly broke them down. It's cheap for you to say otherwise. If there's a specific point that you think is paramount that I somehow did not regard then go ahead and note it. And you were in a vote with other people that had not been TD's. And everything I said was in a constructive manner. You're just taking (more) cheap shots to be saying otherwise, which is plenty sad.

I could have taken plenty of cheap shots, but I didn't and didn't need to.

Lx

ViperOverLord wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

No. There was a TD position that has been put up for vote multiple times. LX won that vote once or twice. Darin44 won it thereafter. And that's a good thing. The community got to choose whomever they wanted to work with and/or whomever's vision they supported. There is no need for a handful of people to have so much power irrespective of the entire clan community.

Sorry, Viper, you are wrong...how can you win a vote to be TD twice?

You are still talking about leading the TO group, which does not come with a gold name.

In fact, one specific requirement for this position is that you CANNOT be a TD.

Lindax wrote:I could have taken plenty of cheap shots, but I didn't and didn't need to.

Lx

That's all you did was take cheap shots. You were in a freaking vote with people who had not been TDs and you know that. And you knew that when you were saying that it never worked like that anywhere else on CC. Also, you were being cheap when you said I hadn't regarded your points or being constructive. I most certainly was constructive and did fully regard your points in good faith. So, if you have something 'constructive' to add then go ahead.

ViperOverLord wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

No. There was a TD position that has been put up for vote multiple times. LX won that vote once or twice. Darin44 won it thereafter. And that's a good thing. The community got to choose whomever they wanted to work with and/or whomever's vision they supported. There is no need for a handful of people to have so much power irrespective of the entire clan community.

You really have no clue, do you. You are talking about running the TO usergroup. I did that for one term (6 months) then Darin took over. I decided not to put myself up for election for a second term. Again, that was after I resigned as a TD. As a matter of fact TDs aren't even allowed to run that usergroup.

You want a cheap shot? This is all public information, relatively simple to understand for most people. What are you on to make you so thick?

Lx

Lindax wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:BTW, Lindax, this is not a new concept to you. You won a TD spot based upon the votes of TO's group. So, I'm a bit surprised that you'd act like this concept is so novel.

Huh?

I definitely nominated Lindax for TD when I was one. There has never been a public vote for TeamCC positions.

You may be referring to the TO user group, which is hardly related to the Team. Not to say that the position isn't prestigious, just...no one ever posts there.

No. There was a TD position that has been put up for vote multiple times. LX won that vote once or twice. Darin44 won it thereafter. And that's a good thing. The community got to choose whomever they wanted to work with and/or whomever's vision they supported. There is no need for a handful of people to have so much power irrespective of the entire clan community.

You really have no clue, do you. You are talking about running the TO usergroup. I did that for one term (6 months) then Darin took over. I decided not to put myself up for election for a second term. Again, that was after I resigned as a TD. As a matter of fact TDs aren't even allowed to run that usergroup.

You want a cheap shot? This is all public information, relatively simple to understand for most people. What are you on to make you so thick?

Lx

I knew it was a vote for TD or something related (But fine; TO group leader). The specifics aren't especially consequential. Either way, another community on CC got to choose who represented them and that was my point. And yes, you've taken cheap shots. I regarded your post fully and you still haven't bothered to say how I didn't do so. And it's cheap for you to say I'm not being constructive. I've regarded improving the system. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it not constructive.

Locking this one up before you two get yourselves in trouble.

Also, all the submissions are being reviewed and we will be back shortly.