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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby SlayerQC on Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:21 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:SlayerQC,

You're such a defeatist. I'm sorry that people pick on you. And that your fear of the mob makes you want to isolate yourself. But don't you come here and fire the first shot.



First post after mine proved me right.

Btw, where did I say I WAS picked on?
I said the clan would...

Defeatist? I dont think so, but I do know that, "this board game" and conquer club sure isnt a place where I would want to team up about religious beliefs.The site was made to play a game.
Also, perhaps you should check what agnostism means as it is pretty much the same as atheism unless you are like the believers and are close/single-minded as well.
Atheists and believers both think THEY know if there IS or ISN'T an existing god.
Humans are so smart that they comprehend the whole universe and everything that it is, right?

Check that link for a overall definition of an agnostic:
http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/R ... nostic.htm
If this link isnt enough for you, there is plenty to read other places.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:46 pm

I made that Agnostic comment to call them out. Then I thought I could get them to join :P . I don't have any real beef with Agnostics. And they really didn't seem to care. So it didn't work :x .

But at the same time, when you consider where the CONCEPT of a god came from........
It is very easy to be single-minded.

Also, SLAYERQC, I did not want to attack you. But I felt that I had to protect my post before a Christian or two or twenty came in here and fired back. Atheist policing Atheist seemed the safest route.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Snorri1234 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:14 pm

SlayerQC wrote:Also, perhaps you should check what agnostism means as it is pretty much the same as atheism unless you are like the believers and are close/single-minded as well.
Atheists and believers both think THEY know if there IS or ISN'T an existing god.
Humans are so smart that they comprehend the whole universe and everything that it is, right?

Check that link for a overall definition of an agnostic:
http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/R ... nostic.htm
If this link isnt enough for you, there is plenty to read other places.


Maybe you should check Casual chat and see how wrong you are. =)
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Visaoni on Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:23 pm

Eh, I would not say that Agnostics are Atheists without balls. Any Atheist should be able to admit they could be wrong. I am. I'm 99.9% sure there is no God or any such thing, but I don't know for sure. An Atheist who is unwilling to admit there could (however unlikely) be a God of some sort or another is just as bad as the hardliner Christian who debates between homicide and conversion when they hear somebody is an Atheist. And yes, that last part was a joke - you all know what I mean. Anyway, back to Agnostics. Not being one, I can't really claim to be an expert. But at any rate I think of it as a transitional period between Religion and Atheism. They aren't ready to think any religion is right, but neither are they willing to say that there is no sort of god.

Oh, and about the 30% of Americans are Atheists or Agnostics. I personally doubt that is a fact. However I do know that all the studies done on comparing IQ and education to believe in religion have found it be to negatively correlated.

To prevent thread hijacking... I would support such a clan. I probably wouldn't join just because I'm honestly not very active anymore. Although if that didn't matter, well, I probably would just because we have the Jesus Freaks. If they have a clan, why not us too? :D And I would love to see some clan vs clan games between the two. All in good fun of course, without bringing religion (or the lack of) into it. Think of it as a good natured rivalry. At first things might need to be policed a bit, but as time went on I'm sure it would turn into a not really competitive competition full of good natured bantering. I think it could be a lot of fun.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:56 pm

Fair enough.

I am seeing a pattern though, every supports this noble idea, but no one will join. Am I doomed to fail?
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Snorri1234 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:01 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:Word. I'm willing to join.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby ephisia on Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:03 pm

I fully support an athiest clan (but cannot join it, for I am a Christian)... although I am not a member of the Jesus-freak clan, or any other, I think that a clan linking the beliefs and views of like-minded people should always be welcome ... Although I disagree with athiesm, I respect anyone who is an athiest... but, this is the big but, they have to know why they believe it, and it has to make them a better person for it. (PS, I hold this same view for Christians, I cannot easily respect people who believe something without any thought involved...)

So, Juan_Bottom.... you have my support in this clan :)
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:47 pm

Thanks Eph,......

You are like a close(not just as in my neighbor, but also as in I talk to you every day, and often we hang out) cousin to me.

I support you doing stuff too. :D
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:56 am

ephisia wrote:I fully support an athiest clan (but cannot join it, for I am a Christian)... although I am not a member of the Jesus-freak clan, or any other, I think that a clan linking the beliefs and views of like-minded people should always be welcome ... Although I disagree with athiesm, I respect anyone who is an athiest... but, this is the big but, they have to know why they believe it, and it has to make them a better person for it. (PS, I hold this same view for Christians, I cannot easily respect people who believe something without any thought involved...)

So, Juan_Bottom.... you have my support in this clan :)


It's "atheist".
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Ditocoaf on Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:19 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Fair enough.

I am seeing a pattern though, every supports this noble idea, but no one will join. Am I doomed to fail?

well, I'll break the pattern by (half-heartedly) not supporting the idea.

Things like "Atheist Clubs" kind of irk me... simply because they tend to compartmentalize atheists as just another belief system. I would like it to be more the absence of "faith", but unfortunately most Atheists like to see science as an alternative to religion, as opposed to just the absence of it. This is one reason I tend to refer to myself as an "agnostic"... not because I half-believe in a god, but because I feel it separates me even further from religion than atheism does.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby ephisia on Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:23 pm

my apologies for the bad spelling...
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby ephisia on Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:23 pm

i meant no misrespect...
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:08 am

Ditocoaf wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Fair enough.

I am seeing a pattern though, every supports this noble idea, but no one will join. Am I doomed to fail?

well, I'll break the pattern by (half-heartedly) not supporting the idea.

Things like "Atheist Clubs" kind of irk me... simply because they tend to compartmentalize atheists as just another belief system. I would like it to be more the absence of "faith", but unfortunately most Atheists like to see science as an alternative to religion, as opposed to just the absence of it. This is one reason I tend to refer to myself as an "agnostic"... not because I half-believe in a god, but because I feel it separates me even further from religion than atheism does.



That's fine. The club doesn't exist yet, so we will burn that bridge when we come to it. Calling it 'The Absence of Faith Club' is fine to me. But if your not in, your vote doesn't count.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Caleb the Cruel on Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:53 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote: Am I doomed to fail?

Actually, you are. ;)

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Timminz on Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:57 pm

Caleb the Cruel wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote: Am I doomed to fail?

Actually, you are. ;)

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


For a "Jesus Freak", you sure seem to enjoy playing devil's advocate.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:38 pm

Caleb the Cruel wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote: Am I doomed to fail?

Actually, you are. ;)

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Hey! Unless you are an Atheist/Agnostic, or awesome, get outta my callout!
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Smokingdude420 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:49 pm

that just how christians are they talk shit to anyone who aren't sheep like them you should have saw some of the crap i was getting with starting a Pagan clan :lol: some of them were trying to "save" me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby denominator on Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:41 am

I'll support you. If this ever gets off the ground, I'm in.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:57 pm

denominator wrote:I'll support you. If this ever gets off the ground, I'm in.


Awww yeah!
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Unit_2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:00 pm

I'm part Atheist part Agnostic, so I will join a clan if there is one for our "Religion".

I support this idea =D>
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:58 pm

Unit_2 wrote:I'm part Atheist part Agnostic, so I will join a clan if there is one for our "Religion".

I support this idea =D>



Perfect. It's about time this is catching on. There are a butt-load of us on here.
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Smokingdude420 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:49 pm

so hows the search been going Juan? i see your doing better then mine cant find very many Pagans on this site
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:52 pm

Smokingdude420 wrote:so hows the search been going Juan? i see your doing better then mine cant find very many Pagans on this site



To be honest, I'm not sure, sir. Counting myself, we have four people who have said that they will join. But! There are a few Atheist/Agnostics who have supported me in here, but haven't said that they would join. And there are a butt-load more of us who haven't said a word. I think that we just need a little more time. I also believe that once we have our clan, others will follow suit and join up. Snowball effect, ya know?

How many are you at? There are probably more Pagans on here than would like to openly admit it. I would have thought that getting trolled by Christians would have brought a few to your defense. Good luck either way, because this is tougher than I thought. And thank-you very much for your support, you have mine too!
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby xerro on Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:40 am

Smokingdude420 wrote:that just how christians are they talk shit to anyone who aren't sheep like them you should have saw some of the crap i was getting with starting a Pagan clan :lol: some of them were trying to "save" me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

a christian who talks shit isnt a christian..... [-X
i am a christian, but i am definately not a member of the jesus freaks. they sound arrogant.... :?
a REAL christian shows the light of God wherever he goes..... not cruelness and im better than you cuzz im saved and your not attitudes..... or God loves me crap........ :o
im sorry you have met fasle people who say they know God, and who have been more of a devil than a saint to you. and because of that, you sound bitter and maybe thats the single reason you think yourself a pagan... idk but, i truely am sorry you despise christians so..... :cry:
if you " jesus freaks" dont want this clan to form, then i suggest you stay out of this.... if God wants this to happen , it will... if not, then it'll fall through from their own doing... you guys just make things worse, and fuel the fire... :roll:
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how the hell should i know??? :lol:
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Re: Atheists!?!

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:36 pm

Thank you for your support XERRO. Your always a positive poster.
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