"The Real University" [recruiting][social]

[Ditocoaf]

Thanks all of you. I think we have enough people now to open up the forum? Or do we need one more.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Sounds good, I`m in as well.

[PLAYER57832]

If there's room, I would like to join.

[samuelc812]

Thanks all of you. I think we have enough people now to open up the forum? Or do we need one more.

You have enough

[Ditocoaf]

If there's room, I would like to join.

There's always room.

Okay, we already have enough for a forum! I'll send in the request!

[Skittles!]

Awesome.

[Curmudgeonx]

In

And DM will be requesting membership also

[jnd94]

Sounds cool. In please.

[wcaclimbing]

I want in.

[Skittles!]

In

And DM will be requesting membership also

DM tells me to thank you for your kind and thoughtful efforts on his behalf... he would indeed like 'in' to this organisation.

[Ditocoaf]

Well, the e-ticket was delayed because a couple people on the list aren't active in any games. So, I just gave them the expanded list with everyone who's signed up since I sent the e-ticket. Hopefully it won't be too much longer.

[Dancing Mustard]

Thanks Curmudgeon, thanks Skittles.

Sign me up, total innage to the maximum.

[whitestazn88]

I'm in.

[Simon Viavant]

In

[Visaoni]

I'm in. Should be good.

[john9blue]

I'll join.

Seems like you're forming this in opposition to the FT, though. If the FT is too conservative for you (even though we wanted to kick out Lucas and BES [conservatives] and keep PLAYER [liberal]), then I can imagine what this place might be like.

If some of the FT rejects do well in this place, then I would suggest that the two clans merge (only kicking out the really annoying people). But I still think your efforts would be better spent trying to convince PBG to lower the admission standards for the FT (which will probably happen soon anyway), rather than starting a whole new clan. Just sayin'.

[Ditocoaf]

Seems like you're forming this in opposition to the FT, though.?

I stated this a while before I gave up on the FT, and I really didn't intend for them to "compete" or anything. The way I saw it when I had the idea: these would serve two different functions. The FT is a lot more exclusive than this is going to be, and that makes it safer in terms of guaranteeing legitimate discussion. I was looking forward to having that as an option.

If the FT is too conservative for you (even though we wanted to kick out Lucas and BES [conservatives] and keep PLAYER [liberal]), then I can imagine what this place might be like.

But now, I'm glad I have this, so I can learn from FT's mistakes. I definitely do not want to make this a liberal counterpart to FT's shortcomings: my goal is to allow for diversity. I'm going to hope the leadership find themselves in opposition in most issues, to where there'll be at least one leader on any side of a debate. In short: I want this to be legitimate as a "safe rationality forum" (like FT claimed to be), not just a getaway from people I personally dislike (which is what the FT really is). I'm looking for a diverse exchange of ideas.

If some of the FT rejects do well in this place,

(Oh god, I hope the irony of this statement will become public knowledge soon...)

then I would suggest that the two clans merge

I actually don't think that's a good idea... If the FT becomes a bit more reasonable, I'll likely re-apply for admission. But the FT aims to be an exclusive clan (in the good sense of the word), while TRU aims for diversity and benifit-of-the-doubt inclusiveness. Those two goals are incompatible, but I'd be glad to have both available to me.

But I still think your efforts would be better spent trying to convince PBG to lower the admission standards for the FT (which will probably happen soon anyway), rather than starting a whole new clan. Just sayin'.

Well, back when I made this I was still trying to "lower" the admission standards... but people have been pressing for fair trial since the FT was created. I don't think it's really likely to happen. Rather than force the FT to fit a different set of ideals than it was built on, I'd rather start anew, leaving both sets of ideals available.

[john9blue]

(Oh god, I hope the irony of this statement will become public knowledge soon...)

Ehh? Do tell.

But now, I'm glad I have this, so I can learn from FT's mistakes. I definitely do not want to make this a liberal counterpart to FT's shortcomings: my goal is to allow for diversity. I'm going to hope the leadership find themselves in opposition in most issues, to where there'll be at least one leader on any side of a debate. In short: I want this to be legitimate as a "safe rationality forum" (like FT claimed to be), not just a getaway from people I personally dislike (which is what the FT really is). I'm looking for a diverse exchange of ideas.

I actually don't think that's a good idea... If the FT becomes a bit more reasonable, I'll likely re-apply for admission. But the FT aims to be an exclusive clan (in the good sense of the word), while TRU aims for diversity and benifit-of-the-doubt inclusiveness. Those two goals are incompatible, but I'd be glad to have both available to me.

Well, back when I made this I was still trying to "lower" the admission standards... but people have been pressing for fair trial since the FT was created. I don't think it's really likely to happen. Rather than force the FT to fit a different set of ideals than it was built on, I'd rather start anew, leaving both sets of ideals available.

Sure, I see where you're coming from. No point in quitting when you're thinking about reapplying, though, imo.

But, if FT opens up its admission, and becomes less strict about its guidelines, we've got two nearly identical clans with the same goals. I don't want to have to post an interesting article or hot topic in two different places, and I don't think that Zeak, Skittles!, CA, etc. will want to reply to both of them. So we either have to split the argument into two (and some people will be missing out on key points), or repeat ourselves in both forums (and some people will be wasting their time reading both).

If, and only if, FT relaxes its guidelines, then the two should merge. I would suggest bringing everyone from TRU into FT, since all the topics are already there (and since the leader doesn't have much power in TRU, you shouldn't mind not being a leader anymore). I hope you get what I'm saying. A single forum would be so much easier than two forums with the same purpose.

[e_i_pi]

I'm in

[Ditocoaf]

Thanks to all those expressing a desire to join; as soon as the usergroup is created, I'll add you.

[Flungus]

I'd like to join please.

[Snorri1234]

But, if FT opens up its admission, and becomes less strict about its guidelines, we've got two nearly identical clans with the same goals. I don't want to have to post an interesting article or hot topic in two different places, and I don't think that Zeak, Skittles!, CA, etc. will want to reply to both of them. So we either have to split the argument into two (and some people will be missing out on key points), or repeat ourselves in both forums (and some people will be wasting their time reading both).

Since Skittles and Zeak got kicked out of FT I don't see much of a problem.

[Stephan Wayne]

whats your definition of intelligent interesting ?
when you say things like that it means who ever has a good outlook on things and never thinks deeply
to really understand thing you must look outside the box and find a new prospective and the resulting truth scares too many people so you ingnore true logic to maintain innocence
this is why the clan is a lie
i did not mean to offend or anger merely pointing out the obvious hypocrisies

[Ditocoaf]

whats your definition of intelligent interesting ?
when you say things like that it means who ever has a good outlook on things and never thinks deeply
to really understand thing you must look outside the box and find a new prospective and the resulting truth scares too many people so you ingnore true logic to maintain innocence
this is why the clan is a lie
i did not mean to offend or anger merely pointing out the obvious hypocrisies

The "intelligent" part simply pertains to rational debate: Instead of insulting your opponents, provide a counterpoint to their opinion. Don't say someone's "stupid" or "ignorant," simply show, logically, where what they said might be wrong. I definitely don't want everyone to agree. I said "interesting" because I didn't want it to sound boring .

[Stephan Wayne]

whats your definition of intelligent interesting ?
when you say things like that it means who ever has a good outlook on things and never thinks deeply
to really understand thing you must look outside the box and find a new prospective and the resulting truth scares too many people so you ingnore true logic to maintain innocence
this is why the clan is a lie
i did not mean to offend or anger merely pointing out the obvious hypocrisies

The "intelligent" part simply pertains to rational debate: Instead of insulting your opponents, provide a counterpoint to their opinion. Don't say someone's "stupid" or "ignorant," simply show, logically, where what they said might be wrong. I definitely don't want everyone to agree. I said "interesting" because I didn't want it to sound boring .

well defended ill give you that one
if the debates are anything of that nature id join.... that is if my reputation does not betray me