john9blue wrote:Seems like you're forming this in opposition to the FT, though.?
I stated this a while before I gave up on the FT, and I really didn't intend for them to "compete" or anything. The way I saw it when I had the idea: these would serve two different functions. The FT is a lot more exclusive than this is going to be, and that makes it safer in terms of guaranteeing legitimate discussion. I was looking forward to having that as an option.
john9blue wrote:If the FT is too conservative for you (even though we wanted to kick out Lucas and BES [conservatives] and keep PLAYER [liberal]), then I can imagine what this place might be like.
But now, I'm glad I have this, so I can learn from FT's mistakes. I definitely do
not want to make this a liberal counterpart to FT's shortcomings: my goal is to allow for diversity. I'm going to hope the leadership find themselves in opposition in most issues, to where there'll be at least one leader on any side of a debate. In short: I want this to be legitimate as a "safe rationality forum" (like FT claimed to be), not just a getaway from people I personally dislike (which is what the FT really is). I'm looking for a diverse exchange of ideas.
john9blue wrote:If some of the FT rejects do well in this place,
(Oh god, I hope the irony of this statement will become public knowledge soon...)
john9blue wrote: then I would suggest that the two clans merge
I actually don't think that's a good idea... If the FT becomes a bit more reasonable, I'll likely re-apply for admission. But the FT aims to be an exclusive clan (in the good sense of the word), while TRU aims for diversity and benifit-of-the-doubt inclusiveness. Those two goals are incompatible, but I'd be glad to have both available to me.
john9blue wrote:But I still think your efforts would be better spent trying to convince PBG to lower the admission standards for the FT (which will probably happen soon anyway), rather than starting a whole new clan. Just sayin'.
Well, back when I made this I was still trying to "lower" the admission standards... but people have been pressing for fair trial since the FT was created. I don't think it's really likely to happen. Rather than force the FT to fit a different set of ideals than it was built on, I'd rather start anew, leaving both sets of ideals available.