Germany Revamp Competition - FINAL VOTE (page one)

[RjBeals]

just curious why Germany is being revamped again? Why not Africa or something that needs it more?

[WidowMakers]

Just one ? (or maybe 2)
With the revamp, we are supposed to try and keep the same dimensions AND XML coordinate locations/names right?
SO all maps should have the same size and tert location just a different look in the same area.

What if a map looks great but one map needs to modify 50% of the XML coordinates and another looks OK but does not need to modify any?
How much is too much?
Because since right now it is subjective, I can justify modifying 25% modification where others might only justify 3%.

just curious why Germany is being revamped again? Why not Africa or something that needs it more?

I believe that the public did not like the map at all and it is being revisited since pep is n longer around.
I do find it interesting that we are revamping it yet again due to initial public dislike.
Canada, Circus Max and British Isle were also hated initially but they were not revamped a second time.

WM

[cairnswk]

^^ WM...I think you should just do it ^^ ...with German Flavour of course.

[RjBeals]

sounds like a challenge wid....

[WidowMakers]

I have not decided if I am going to do it or not. But I want to know how loose the XML will be. Can I move 3 XML coordinates, 5, 20?
It is just really vague that is all.

I don't want to make a map that uses the XML 100% and cripple my map because someone else redid 50% of it and that enabled more free graphics.

Just asking.

[AndyDufresne]

I believe that the public did not like the map at all and it is being revisited since pep is n longer around.
I do find it interesting that we are revamping it yet again due to initial public dislike.
Canada, Circus Max and British Isle were also hated initially but they were not revamped a second time.

WM

Sometimes its fun to devour our own children.




--Andy

[RjBeals]

i can't imagine the xml has to remain in tact. That would be insanely stupid. I think the territs and borders have to remain the same, and thats about it. But I guess Benn will have to make that official call.

[thenobodies80]

just curious why Germany is being revamped again? Why not Africa or something that needs it more?

I believe that the public did not like the map at all and it is being revisited since pep is n longer around.
I do find it interesting that we are revamping it yet again due to initial public dislike.
Canada, Circus Max and British Isle were also hated initially but they were not revamped a second time.

WM

Not due to initial dislike, but because of reasonable concerns were raised and that must be solved.
For example:

The issue of visibility and legibility are important. As far as I can tell, the amendments that are now being mooted are:
1. Some form of circles/patches to assist reading of army numbers
2. Slight alteration of region colours
3. Possible change of typeface to assist legibility

And yes, pep didn't seem to be around here for a while now.

Just one ? (or maybe 2)
With the revamp, we are supposed to try and keep the same dimensions AND XML coordinate locations/names right?
SO all maps should have the same size and tert location just a different look in the same area.

What if a map looks great but one map needs to modify 50% of the XML coordinates and another looks OK but does not need to modify any?
How much is too much?
Because since right now it is subjective, I can justify modifying 25% modification where others might only justify 3%.

The revamp is Graphics-only, it means you should try to redraw the map keeping the layout as close to the current as possible.
Give you a percentage doesn't make sense to me and force you to waste time on the numbers and not given to you the freedom to vent to your artistic skill.
I'd like to think that the best way is to try to make changes on xml only if necessary (using the same example above: if you will add circles and some of them can't fit the current layout).

I hope I've been of some help
Nobodies

[MrBenn]

As nobodies said, setting percentage limits doesn't really make a lot of sense...

The idea is to keep the shape and layout as similar as possible. This restriction is there to ensure ease of transition for players - so there shouldn't be any need for wholesale revisions or massive distortions. The flexibility is there in order to ensure that creativity, clarity and legibility don't need to be sacrificed.

I should add that submissions will require a large and small image.

[RjBeals]

I should add that submissions will require a large and small image.

Seriously?

(edit) That seems like too much work. I think that 1 map, either large or small, should be an entry. I mean thats a lot of work for someone, where chances are the map may not even make it. I say 1 map, and if that person wins, a new thread is created for tweeks, then the alt size can be created.

[porkenbeans]

As nobodies said, setting percentage limits doesn't really make a lot of sense...

The idea is to keep the shape and layout as similar as possible. This restriction is there to ensure ease of transition for players - so there shouldn't be any need for wholesale revisions or massive distortions. The flexibility is there in order to ensure that creativity, clarity and legibility don't need to be sacrificed.

I should add that submissions will require a large and small image.

I do not understand why the new map can not just be added to the roster, and leave the old one up until the ongoing games are played out. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[the.killing.44]

I should add that submissions will require a large and small image.

What?!

[porkenbeans]

I should add that submissions will require a large and small image.

Seriously?

(edit) That seems like too much work. I think that 1 map, either large or small, should be an entry. I mean thats a lot of work for someone, where chances are the map may not even make it. I say 1 map, and if that person wins, a new thread is created for tweeks, then the alt size can be created.

2nd. that.

[MrBenn]

I should add that submissions will require a large and small image.

Seriously?

(edit) That seems like too much work. I think that 1 map, either large or small, should be an entry. I mean thats a lot of work for someone, where chances are the map may not even make it. I say 1 map, and if that person wins, a new thread is created for tweeks, then the alt size can be created.

2nd. that.

You're right... I was getting ahead of myself... 1 map (either big or small) - the winning map will have a brief time for final tweaks, which will include the companion map of the other size.
Stand down re the last...

[WidowMakers]

What were the exact complaints with peps new map?
It might help us to understand what the public did and did not like.