Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

[OliverFA]

Both maps are good. I finally decided to vote for Tisha's for two reasons:
- The bonus is clearer
- Isahia40's diagonal image is pretty, but I don't think it would work nice with numbers on top of it.

[bedub1]

I'd like to vote for a merge and joint effort.

Map Name - Isaiah40 (Tisha's look like lips)
Lines connecting countries - Isaiah40 (I like how they don't touch)
Countries - Tisha (I like how obvious and definitive and pretty they are)
Bonus Definition - Tisha (I like the visual representation instead of the words)
Compass - Isaiah40 (The compass looks cool)
Background - Isaiah40 (this is the toughest call. When they merge, dump the burn marks where the paper got creased.)

Dump the ship on Isaiah40's
Dump the valentines day dude playing the flute on Tisha's

So basically move Tisha's Countries and Bonus Definition to Isaiah40's background etc...

Great work both of you, but you can do better if you combine your efforts.

[VectorxMan]

I love how Tisha's map has the mini-map in the top right visually showing what each bonus is worth. That's what sold my vote.

[Industrial Helix]

Alright, I'm going to call the winner: Tisha at 63% of the votes and 115 votes total.

Isaiah40 came in with 67 votes at 37%.

Congrats to Tisha, expect further instructions in the near future. Thank you to Isaiah40 for an excellent entry and thank you to all who participated. All the entries were quite good and worth of CC, but there can be only one winner. Thank you again!

Tisha

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[Riskismy]

How about the other entries? I'd like to check them out, and surely they deserve the 'honourable mention'?

[natty dread]

They are all in post 1

[Riskismy]

Thank you, didn't catch that, obviously.

[Riskismy]

Had I been around for the first vote, I would have gone for entry #7.

You can really tell how wet and cold it must be there, though it's a little hard to tell the bonus areas from each other. Nothing that couldn't easily be fixed. By comparison, I associate the winning map with a warm and gentle environment (something it clearly isn't).

[ender516]

It may not be gentle, but it is plenty warm enough at the right time of year. And although #7 had a very interesting texture and technique, I thought it was a little overboard on the number of lakes.

Congratulations, Tisha!

[natty dread]

I made #1

[Riskismy]

I just went and had a number 2.

[porkenbeans]

It may not be gentle, but it is plenty warm enough at the right time of year. And although #7 had a very interesting texture and technique, I thought it was a little overboard on the number of lakes.

Congratulations, Tisha!

The number of lakes ARE an accurate account of the place, as I used a real topographical map as a base.

[porkenbeans]

Had I been around for the first vote, I would have gone for entry #7.

You can really tell how wet and cold it must be there, though it's a little hard to tell the bonus areas from each other. Nothing that couldn't easily be fixed. By comparison, I associate the winning map with a warm and gentle environment (something it clearly isn't).

The winning map is not bad, and I really like Tisha's other maps. South America is my favorite work of hers.

However, I do NOT believe that the winner of this contest made the best map. I do believe that it was the best run campaign though. The lobbying efforts employed by Tisha beat out everybody else. Through family and friends and PM's, (I imagine), she has successfully navigated the system to take the prize. I applaud her, and give my respect to her.

In the future, I suggest that contests like these should be run a bit differently. I believe that the best map can be discerned only if, the voters pool was made up from 3 or 4 thousand members, that are randomly selected to participate in the poll. To qualify as a potential participant, the member must be active, and not a reg. forum poster. So this means that the ballets will be sent out via PM's.

If there were say 5,000 of these ballets sent out, my guess is that at least 20% would respond and cast their vote. So the min. amount of voters would be at least 1,000. This pool of voters would be free of family, friends, and lobbied participants.

The number of voters in this poll was just way too small. 115 cast votes is not going to give the true average public opinion.

Some may say "sour grapes" and point their finger at me, That is alright with me, but if you really want to prove me wrong, run a poll in the manner that I suggest.

[natty dread]

However, I do NOT believe that the winner of this contest made the best map. I do believe that it was the best run campaign though. The lobbying efforts employed by Tisha beat out everybody else. Through family and friends and PM's, (I imagine), she has successfully navigated the system to take the prize.

OMG pork, you do not take losing well.

[porkenbeans]

However, I do NOT believe that the winner of this contest made the best map. I do believe that it was the best run campaign though. The lobbying efforts employed by Tisha beat out everybody else. Through family and friends and PM's, (I imagine), she has successfully navigated the system to take the prize.

OMG pork, you do not take losing well.

Why may I ask, did you leave out the rest of my words, that completed that quote ?

Tish won far and square. She did not do anything outside of the rules to my knowledge. She simply figured out the best way to win under the rules. Nothing wrong or improper here at all.

My suggestion goes to the way this poll was implemented. Can you not see the logic, and the reason for looking at a better way to do these polls ?

With only 115 people voting, it is very easy to rig the outcome by getting 20 or so friends and family members, to come vote for you. I thought about doing it myself, but decided against it. I felt that it would not be fair to the other mapmakers.

My suggestion would fix this problem, and make it MORE about finding the most popular map, ...not the most popular mapmaker.

[Tisha]

Yes, those 5 friends I told which map I made really made a difference in the voting...specially when some had already voted.

My family on CC consist of one person. Those few people I talked to are people I talk to everyday and some of them had already voted. There wasn't any mass pm and It wasn't like go vote for my map, it was go vote for what you like.. but believe whatever stories you want to to make you think your map would have actually won.
I didn't even vote for myself, I voted for a friend. This contest really wasn't that big of a deal for me, I had turned my map in almost two weeks before it was even due...but alright.

Don't say shit about me when you don't even know how things went.

Take it down if that's what everyone thinks..

[porkenbeans]

Yes, those 5 friends I told which map I made really made a difference in the voting...specially when some had already voted.

My family on CC consist of one person. Those few people I talked to are people I talk to everyday and some of them had already voted. There wasn't any mass pm and It wasn't like go vote for my map, it was go vote for what you like.. but believe whatever stories you want to to make you think your map would have actually won.
I didn't even vote for myself, I voted for a friend. This contest really wasn't that big of a deal for me, I had turned my map in almost two weeks before it was even due...but alright.

Don't say shit about me when you don't even know how things went.

Take it down if that's what everyone thinks..

Tish, you even PM'd me to ask for my vote. As for how many people you lobbied, well we just have your word on that. My suggestion, if implemented, would remove all doubt, and would not require that we take anyone for their word. It would also bring in a wider group of likes and dis-likes. It would be a more representative election. Or do you think that 115 people, (mostly all Foundry regulars), are representative of the general population of CC ?

I would wager my membership that If this poll was done as I suggest, It would have a much different outcome. ...PERIOD.

[Tisha]

Tish, you even PM'd me to ask for my vote. As for how many people you lobbied, well we just have your word on that. My suggestion, if implemented, would remove all doubt, and would not require that we take anyone for their word. It would also bring in a wider group of likes and dis-likes. It would be a more representative election. Or do you think that 115 people, (mostly all Foundry regulars), are representative of the general population of CC ?

I have NEVER pmed you about this, in fact, I don't think I have ever pmed you about anything. You can f*ck off now, you're pathetic!

maybe if you focused on one map you could have came up with something that would have been some competition.

[porkenbeans]

Tish, you even PM'd me to ask for my vote. As for how many people you lobbied, well we just have your word on that. My suggestion, if implemented, would remove all doubt, and would not require that we take anyone for their word. It would also bring in a wider group of likes and dis-likes. It would be a more representative election. Or do you think that 115 people, (mostly all Foundry regulars), are representative of the general population of CC ?

I have NEVER pmed you about this, in fact, I don't think I have ever pmed you about anything. You can f*ck off now, you're pathetic!

maybe if you focused on one map you could have came up with something that would have been some competition.

Oh pardon me. It was Isaiah, not you that PM'd me. Sorry about that. But that does not change my mind about anything. My point is still valid. 115 voters is too small of a group to be not susceptible to rigging.

[Bruceswar]

Are you serious? Tisha had the best map... And yes I entered but Tisha's map won fair and square... Stop being so sore about things. Your map was different, but not for everybody. Move on already.

[porkenbeans]

Are you serious? Tisha had the best map... And yes I entered but Tisha's map won fair and square... Stop being so sore about things. Your map was different, but not for everybody. Move on already.

I am only offering a suggestion as to a better way to conduct these polls in the future. (already). lol.

Please, can't anyone address my suggestion ?

#1, I think that 115 votes is too small of a sampling.
#2, I think that ballots should be sent out to a select group CC members. This group should include active members only, and they should not be made up of cartographers and their friends. My point is that finding the most popular map from the general public, should be the goal.

It does not seem to me to be that difficult of a thing to pull off. If this kind of a poll was implemented, there would be no doubts as to the validity of the poll. Comon, 115 votes with 7 entries ?

[Victor Sullivan]

Okay, guys, let's just take a bit to cool off. Pork, you can post your suggestion in the Foundry Discussions forum if you so desire, as this really isn't the place. Please, let's not go throwing accusations/insults and pointing fingers whether true or not. I'm seeing this spiraling into something no one wants to see...

Congrats, Tisha, you did a fine job. Porkenbeans, props for your entry, too, I liked the style, but sadly it was not quite up to par. Congrats to you both for two great entries!

-Sully

[rdsrds2120]

Congratulations for winning, Tisha. Can't wait to have a game on it (:

-rd

[natty dread]

Pork, your map was very nice. I could immediately recognize it as your style when I saw it. I mean that in a good way, btw. But there are some flaws in it as well... I know you don't really take criticism all that well so I won't elaborate on those. Tisha's is simply easier and more intuitive when it comes to gameplay clarity. Granted, it has it's own small flaws (that are well being fixed in FF) but the general concept is clearer so it's no wonder it won.

Instead of blaming the system or accusing other mapmakers of manipulating voters, just accept that you lost, and take it as a learning experience. Hey, I never won a contest either, and my maps are simply awesome, so I know how you feel

[porkenbeans]

Pork, your map was very nice. I could immediately recognize it as your style when I saw it. I mean that in a good way, btw. But there are some flaws in it as well... I know you don't really take criticism all that well so I won't elaborate on those. Tisha's is simply easier and more intuitive when it comes to gameplay clarity. Granted, it has it's own small flaws (that are well being fixed in FF) but the general concept is clearer so it's no wonder it won.

Instead of blaming the system or accusing other mapmakers of manipulating voters, just accept that you lost, and take it as a learning experience. Hey, I never won a contest either, and my maps are simply awesome, so I know how you feel

I congratulated Tish on her win. I think that she produced a fine map. My criticism, along with my suggestion, was directed towards what I see as a flaw in the voting process.

I would like to see this split off into a thread that deals with this issue. It is NOT fair IMHO, and it is also NOT fair that I be ridiculed for pointing this out. If the powers that be, were to run a private poll as I have suggested, I believe that the results of this contest would indeed be different. ...so prove me wrong.