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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby Tisha on Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:52 pm

Yes, those 5 friends I told which map I made really made a difference in the voting...specially when some had already voted.

My family on CC consist of one person. Those few people I talked to are people I talk to everyday and some of them had already voted. There wasn't any mass pm and It wasn't like go vote for my map, it was go vote for what you like.. but believe whatever stories you want to to make you think your map would have actually won.
I didn't even vote for myself, I voted for a friend. This contest really wasn't that big of a deal for me, I had turned my map in almost two weeks before it was even due...but alright.

Don't say shit about me when you don't even know how things went.

Take it down if that's what everyone thinks..
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:06 pm

Tisha wrote:Yes, those 5 friends I told which map I made really made a difference in the voting...specially when some had already voted.

My family on CC consist of one person. Those few people I talked to are people I talk to everyday and some of them had already voted. There wasn't any mass pm and It wasn't like go vote for my map, it was go vote for what you like.. but believe whatever stories you want to to make you think your map would have actually won.
I didn't even vote for myself, I voted for a friend. This contest really wasn't that big of a deal for me, I had turned my map in almost two weeks before it was even due...but alright.

Don't say shit about me when you don't even know how things went.

Take it down if that's what everyone thinks..
Tish, you even PM'd me to ask for my vote. As for how many people you lobbied, well we just have your word on that. My suggestion, if implemented, would remove all doubt, and would not require that we take anyone for their word. It would also bring in a wider group of likes and dis-likes. It would be a more representative election. Or do you think that 115 people, (mostly all Foundry regulars), are representative of the general population of CC ?

I would wager my membership that If this poll was done as I suggest, It would have a much different outcome. ...PERIOD.
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby Tisha on Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:11 pm

porkenbeans wrote:Tish, you even PM'd me to ask for my vote. As for how many people you lobbied, well we just have your word on that. My suggestion, if implemented, would remove all doubt, and would not require that we take anyone for their word. It would also bring in a wider group of likes and dis-likes. It would be a more representative election. Or do you think that 115 people, (mostly all Foundry regulars), are representative of the general population of CC ?



I have NEVER pmed you about this, in fact, I don't think I have ever pmed you about anything. You can f*ck off now, you're pathetic!

maybe if you focused on one map you could have came up with something that would have been some competition.
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:15 pm

Tisha wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:Tish, you even PM'd me to ask for my vote. As for how many people you lobbied, well we just have your word on that. My suggestion, if implemented, would remove all doubt, and would not require that we take anyone for their word. It would also bring in a wider group of likes and dis-likes. It would be a more representative election. Or do you think that 115 people, (mostly all Foundry regulars), are representative of the general population of CC ?



I have NEVER pmed you about this, in fact, I don't think I have ever pmed you about anything. You can f*ck off now, you're pathetic!

maybe if you focused on one map you could have came up with something that would have been some competition.
Oh pardon me. It was Isaiah, not you that PM'd me. Sorry about that. But that does not change my mind about anything. My point is still valid. 115 voters is too small of a group to be not susceptible to rigging.
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:21 pm

Are you serious? Tisha had the best map... And yes I entered but Tisha's map won fair and square... Stop being so sore about things. Your map was different, but not for everybody. Move on already.
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:23 pm

Bruceswar wrote:Are you serious? Tisha had the best map... And yes I entered but Tisha's map won fair and square... Stop being so sore about things. Your map was different, but not for everybody. Move on already.
I am only offering a suggestion as to a better way to conduct these polls in the future. (already). lol.

Please, can't anyone address my suggestion ?

#1, I think that 115 votes is too small of a sampling.
#2, I think that ballots should be sent out to a select group CC members. This group should include active members only, and they should not be made up of cartographers and their friends. My point is that finding the most popular map from the general public, should be the goal.

It does not seem to me to be that difficult of a thing to pull off. If this kind of a poll was implemented, there would be no doubts as to the validity of the poll. Comon, 115 votes with 7 entries ?
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:20 pm

Okay, guys, let's just take a bit to cool off. Pork, you can post your suggestion in the Foundry Discussions forum if you so desire, as this really isn't the place. Please, let's not go throwing accusations/insults and pointing fingers whether true or not. I'm seeing this spiraling into something no one wants to see...

Congrats, Tisha, you did a fine job. Porkenbeans, props for your entry, too, I liked the style, but sadly it was not quite up to par. Congrats to you both for two great entries!

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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby rdsrds2120 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:26 pm

Congratulations for winning, Tisha. Can't wait to have a game on it (:

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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:46 am

Pork, your map was very nice. I could immediately recognize it as your style when I saw it. I mean that in a good way, btw. But there are some flaws in it as well... I know you don't really take criticism all that well so I won't elaborate on those. Tisha's is simply easier and more intuitive when it comes to gameplay clarity. Granted, it has it's own small flaws (that are well being fixed in FF) but the general concept is clearer so it's no wonder it won.

Instead of blaming the system or accusing other mapmakers of manipulating voters, just accept that you lost, and take it as a learning experience. Hey, I never won a contest either, and my maps are simply awesome, so I know how you feel ;)
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:54 am

natty_dread wrote:Pork, your map was very nice. I could immediately recognize it as your style when I saw it. I mean that in a good way, btw. But there are some flaws in it as well... I know you don't really take criticism all that well so I won't elaborate on those. Tisha's is simply easier and more intuitive when it comes to gameplay clarity. Granted, it has it's own small flaws (that are well being fixed in FF) but the general concept is clearer so it's no wonder it won.

Instead of blaming the system or accusing other mapmakers of manipulating voters, just accept that you lost, and take it as a learning experience. Hey, I never won a contest either, and my maps are simply awesome, so I know how you feel ;)
I congratulated Tish on her win. I think that she produced a fine map. My criticism, along with my suggestion, was directed towards what I see as a flaw in the voting process.

I would like to see this split off into a thread that deals with this issue. It is NOT fair IMHO, and it is also NOT fair that I be ridiculed for pointing this out. If the powers that be, were to run a private poll as I have suggested, I believe that the results of this contest would indeed be different. ...so prove me wrong.
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:01 pm

That's a logical fallacy. You can't prove a negative.

The burden of proof is on you to show that there is something wrong with the voting process.
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:30 pm

natty_dread wrote:That's a logical fallacy. You can't prove a negative.

The burden of proof is on you to show that there is something wrong with the voting process.
Man natty, I know that you are not that dense. lol.
I have already shown what I believe is wrong. I also provided a way to prove it. :P

What more do you require, friend. ;)
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:53 pm

Proof.

I should also note to you that moderators do monitor the voting activity on these contests, for suspicious spikes and other things that indicate if one of the contestants are trying to manipulate the results by enlisting their clanmates, friends etc. to vote for them.

I should also note that the idea that "only 115 people voted so the vote is not valid" is not really a valid argument. The amount of people who vote on these things is directly proportional to the amount of people who are interested in new maps, or people who care enough to follow foundry threads. Would you get different results if the vote was sent by pm to each member of CC? Possibly, but you haven't demonstrated that this is the case, and I am not convinced that there is any inherent unfairness to the way things are currently done.


Another thing comes to mind here... you're an older guy, so maybe there's a generational gap here. Is it generally hard for you to admit that you were beaten by a girl? ;)
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Re: Golfe du St-Laurent: Tisha Wins!

Postby MrBenn on Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:55 pm

As others have said, this is not the place of debating the merits (or otherwise) of foundry polls - if you wish to continue that debate, then feel free to start a new thread in foundry discussions.

As for this contest, the field was full of good entries from a broad spectrum of CC, and I want to personal thanks/congratulations to each of the 7 entrants:

  1. natty_dread
  2. Amateil
  3. isaiah40
  4. Tisha
  5. ISN2
  6. Bruceswar
  7. porkenbeans

Special thanks should also go to all those who helped contribute to the original map development, and of course to Tisha, whose winning map now has a life of its very own: viewtopic.php?t=139687
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