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Which map would you like to see become CC's Central America map?

Poll ended at Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:59 pm

Entry #1
130
46%
Entry #2
114
40%
Entry #3
26
9%
Entry #4
13
5%
 
Total votes : 283

Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:54 pm

0 votes for #1 … ouch.

Sorry if this has been posted already, but when does voting end?
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby WidowMakers on Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:59 pm

edbeard wrote:what you've just stated makes the case for everyone being able to make changes

"the changes made before the final round of voting made a significant difference in the outcome"



HEEELLLLOOOO!


/thoughts on this

I agree. There should be updates allowed. Then as the maps change, people can adjust their votes. Just 1 update per day per map. It would allow for feedback to really be used and to see which map makers can take the input and apply it quickly and properly.

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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:02 pm

WidowMakers wrote:
edbeard wrote:what you've just stated makes the case for everyone being able to make changes

"the changes made before the final round of voting made a significant difference in the outcome"



HEEELLLLOOOO!


/thoughts on this

I agree. There should be updates allowed. Then as the maps change, people can adjust their votes. Just 1 update per day per map. It would allow for feedback to really be used and to see which map makers can take the input and apply it quickly and properly.

WM

I agree, too. With some editing my vote can easily change to #3.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:03 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:0 votes for #1 … ouch.

Sorry if this has been posted already, but when does voting end?


December 18 ;)
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby the.killing.44 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:07 pm

samuelc812 wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:0 votes for #1 … ouch.

Sorry if this has been posted already, but when does voting end?


December 18 ;)

Thanks.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:48 pm

is there a link up yet on the home page?
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby oaktown on Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:27 am

WidowMakers wrote:I agree. There should be updates allowed. Then as the maps change, people can adjust their votes. Just 1 update per day per map. It would allow for feedback to really be used and to see which map makers can take the input and apply it quickly and properly.

Interesting idea to allow updates mid-vote... why couldn't somebody have brought this up a few days ago? #-o
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby Incandenza on Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:30 am

oaktown wrote:
WidowMakers wrote:I agree. There should be updates allowed. Then as the maps change, people can adjust their votes. Just 1 update per day per map. It would allow for feedback to really be used and to see which map makers can take the input and apply it quickly and properly.

Interesting idea to allow updates mid-vote... why couldn't somebody have brought this up a few days ago? #-o


I disagree that mid-vote updates are a good idea. This is an awkward time of year (at least in the US and I would imagine much of Europe) to be giving potential advantage to a cartographer with few day-to-day commitments over people who have finals, holiday parties, and various other types of Shit Going On Around This Time Of Year.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:33 am

considering that I've brought up the idea of everyone being allowed an edit on more than one occasion prior to this, I find your post annoying, Oaktown.

not exactly the idea you're talking about but I don't see how this one little thing someone said pushed you over the line of being in agreement of the idea to allow a second version.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby ZeakCytho on Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:53 am

Anyone else have comments on how to improve the maps? Ed and Rj's posts were very useful.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby whitestazn88 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:36 am

this really needs to be put on the front page or at least as a sticky in all forums like the brazil revamp competition....
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby oaktown on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:31 am

I'd be happy to discuss further the idea of allowing updates mid-voting, but let's do it back in the original Competitions announcement thread and let folks use this space to talk about the maps, eh? Thanks.

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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:07 am

I really want to comment on the maps guys, but I'm refraining from commenting and voting as I'm one of the entrants. There's a lot of talent here, and if any of these maps were put up as first drafts, they'd definitely get support and exposure. Every map has something in it that is good, and while they all need polishing, they also all demonstrate the level of talent on this site. Hats off to all =D>
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby InsomniaRed on Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:53 am

3 is too busy and unreadable to me.

I am deciding between 4 and 5. It's 5 for now. But we'll see. I'll give the maps some time to simmer.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby edbeard on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:06 am

I changed my vote to 1 in an effort to get all 5 through to the next round. let's get everyone a chance to update after getting this feedback
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:21 am

wow. where did all the #4 votes come from?
When I went to bed it was trailing way behind the others with only two votes.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:11 am

wcaclimbing wrote:wow. where did all the #4 votes come from?
When I went to bed it was trailing way behind the others with only two votes.
Big jump...

No idea … when I went to bed it was down by like 5 … :shock:
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby ZeakCytho on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:36 am

I didn't even know there were 69 regular foundry goers...and there's no announcement for this yet, so it's unlikely that random people not-foundry related voted.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:40 am

ZeakCytho wrote:I didn't even know there were 69 regular foundry goers...and there's no announcement for this yet, so it's unlikely that random people not-foundry related voted.


Can the mods check sub-forums of people competing?
cause number 4 getting 21 new votes in the time 2 and 3 get only 5 seems kinda suspicious, especially because 2 and 3 were pretty far ahead yesterday after most of the regular mapmakers voted.

I'm not accusing anyone of cheating, I'm just saying that I think one of the admins could check clan forums to make sure there's no behind-the-scenes vote gathering going on.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby bryguy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:40 am

oh so many choices (really, 5 is a lot for me to choose from) and only 1 vote to give..... arg its so hard!!!


1: Like the satellite feel to it, but as most have said, it needs more color



2: in my opinion the colors are to bright, and they start to hurt my eyes after a couple minutes



3: Love the different perspective of this one, but the texture could be leightened up a bit



4: Really well done, but i dont care for how little attention seems to be given to the mini-map, as it has lots of isible black on it that look like black spots where the black outline bunches up. I like the 3D feel to it, but the colors are very similar and the green lines around the territory borders is disracting for me for some reason.



5: This one seems to simple for me. It seems to me like oaktowns original image was taken, made bigger, the outline sketched, and then just the colors added on (slightly different ones tho) and a slight texture, and other fancy stuff. It doesnt really catch my interest that well, and i would have to say the best part is the attack routes, mini-map, compass, and the texture. I just dont care for the rest of it that much.




so hard to choose.... #-o
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:11 am

wcaclimbing wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:I didn't even know there were 69 regular foundry goers...and there's no announcement for this yet, so it's unlikely that random people not-foundry related voted.


Can the mods check sub-forums of people competing?
cause number 4 getting 21 new votes in the time 2 and 3 get only 5 seems kinda suspicious, especially because 2 and 3 were pretty far ahead yesterday after most of the regular mapmakers voted.

I'm not accusing anyone of cheating, I'm just saying that I think one of the admins could check clan forums to make sure there's no behind-the-scenes vote gathering going on.

Yep, what you're talking about is basically branch stacking, which about 10 days ago I predicted would be happening. It's an online community, there really is very ltitle that can be done about it, you have to accept it as being part of the playing field :(

I posted in my clan sub-forum, as it wasn't stated as being against the rules, and really, we only have 8-10 regular clan members at the moment, so I figured it would make very little difference no matter what choice they made. I can only think of one clan member who would vote for me blindly - I don't think that will tip the scales either way.

For the sake of transperancy, this is the original post from my clan sub-forum:
Legends of War OP wrote:As some of you know, I have been working on the Central America map making competition. I've been corresponding with gimil on my map and how to improve it.

<--snip due to containing information that could give away the map-->

This competition is intended to be anonymous, so if any of you are thinking of voting on the finalists, I would urge you to consider whose submission is the best, and not simply vote for mine for being in the clan. While that may seem nice, I think the best entry should win, and I reckon some good entries will be coming in, judging by who is having a go at it.

Any feedback you can give is appreciated. I am posting here as I need a broad level of feedback, not just from one of the Foundry mods.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby yeti_c on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:14 am

Comments from me.

1) Geographical
Pros
The relief
Mexico/Columbia visible.

Cons
List of territories
Continents not readily visible

2) Colourful
Pros
Easily defined territories/continents
Mexico/Columbia visible
Clean

Cons
It's nice - but what's special about it?
Double up on legend is a bit weird

3) Artistic
Pros
Perspective gives a nice balance
Unique
Feeling
Mexico/Columbia Visible

Cons
Bit Garish
Legibility

4) Island
Pros
Clean
Nice Background

Cons
Central America isn't an Island.
I don't like the port connections.
Some of the shading between continents seems weird.

5) Muted
Pros
Clean
Simple
Easy to play on
Columbia/Mexico are visible
Pretty much playable right now.

Cons
Is it special?

And a general comment on the map as a whole...

What's Panama famous for? a) a hat, b) a canal.

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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:16 am

It shouldn't matter as soon as the link is posted on the news updates on main page. The brazil got like 1,000 votes. So a few clan members shouldn't matter.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:16 am

The problem is that clans can have a huge impact on the results, which could easily make the wrong images win (if anyone remembers my complaints about mibi's layer battle, you know what I'm talking about).

If I sent a PM to every member of TUC with a link to the Centerscape vote (I wouldn't do that, its just an example), I could easily pull an extra 15-20 votes just from clan-members supporting me.

I don't really know of a way to fix that problem, but it definitely messes up the results whenever people reveal who made what...

EDIT: just seems kinda bizarre with so many posts supporting 2, 3, and 5. Only two people have showed any support for #4 in their posts (one loved it, the other liked it but didn't vote for it).
It just seems unrealistic that 4 would be getting so many votes without more people supporting it in this thread, without some kind of business behind-the-scenes.

EDIT2: It would work if the polls all had a link on the main page. Then the huge number of votes (brazil had 700+ votes) would be able to counteract any suspicous clan business.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby oaktown on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:59 am

When I posted the voting I PM'd Andy to get a headline up (I can't do that) - when the headline went up last time around we went from dozens of votes to hundreds of votes, so a few extra clan votes shouldn't have a significant impact - especially in the first round.

Though it would be nice for the site if CC users would vote for the map they liked best, not the mapmaker they liked best. [-X
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