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Which map would you like to see become CC's Central America map?

Poll ended at Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:59 pm

Entry #1
130
46%
Entry #2
114
40%
Entry #3
26
9%
Entry #4
13
5%
 
Total votes : 283

Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:21 am

wow. where did all the #4 votes come from?
When I went to bed it was trailing way behind the others with only two votes.
Big jump...
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:11 am

wcaclimbing wrote:wow. where did all the #4 votes come from?
When I went to bed it was trailing way behind the others with only two votes.
Big jump...

No idea … when I went to bed it was down by like 5 … :shock:
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby ZeakCytho on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:36 am

I didn't even know there were 69 regular foundry goers...and there's no announcement for this yet, so it's unlikely that random people not-foundry related voted.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:40 am

ZeakCytho wrote:I didn't even know there were 69 regular foundry goers...and there's no announcement for this yet, so it's unlikely that random people not-foundry related voted.


Can the mods check sub-forums of people competing?
cause number 4 getting 21 new votes in the time 2 and 3 get only 5 seems kinda suspicious, especially because 2 and 3 were pretty far ahead yesterday after most of the regular mapmakers voted.

I'm not accusing anyone of cheating, I'm just saying that I think one of the admins could check clan forums to make sure there's no behind-the-scenes vote gathering going on.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby bryguy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:40 am

oh so many choices (really, 5 is a lot for me to choose from) and only 1 vote to give..... arg its so hard!!!


1: Like the satellite feel to it, but as most have said, it needs more color



2: in my opinion the colors are to bright, and they start to hurt my eyes after a couple minutes



3: Love the different perspective of this one, but the texture could be leightened up a bit



4: Really well done, but i dont care for how little attention seems to be given to the mini-map, as it has lots of isible black on it that look like black spots where the black outline bunches up. I like the 3D feel to it, but the colors are very similar and the green lines around the territory borders is disracting for me for some reason.



5: This one seems to simple for me. It seems to me like oaktowns original image was taken, made bigger, the outline sketched, and then just the colors added on (slightly different ones tho) and a slight texture, and other fancy stuff. It doesnt really catch my interest that well, and i would have to say the best part is the attack routes, mini-map, compass, and the texture. I just dont care for the rest of it that much.




so hard to choose.... #-o
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:11 am

wcaclimbing wrote:
ZeakCytho wrote:I didn't even know there were 69 regular foundry goers...and there's no announcement for this yet, so it's unlikely that random people not-foundry related voted.


Can the mods check sub-forums of people competing?
cause number 4 getting 21 new votes in the time 2 and 3 get only 5 seems kinda suspicious, especially because 2 and 3 were pretty far ahead yesterday after most of the regular mapmakers voted.

I'm not accusing anyone of cheating, I'm just saying that I think one of the admins could check clan forums to make sure there's no behind-the-scenes vote gathering going on.

Yep, what you're talking about is basically branch stacking, which about 10 days ago I predicted would be happening. It's an online community, there really is very ltitle that can be done about it, you have to accept it as being part of the playing field :(

I posted in my clan sub-forum, as it wasn't stated as being against the rules, and really, we only have 8-10 regular clan members at the moment, so I figured it would make very little difference no matter what choice they made. I can only think of one clan member who would vote for me blindly - I don't think that will tip the scales either way.

For the sake of transperancy, this is the original post from my clan sub-forum:
Legends of War OP wrote:As some of you know, I have been working on the Central America map making competition. I've been corresponding with gimil on my map and how to improve it.

<--snip due to containing information that could give away the map-->

This competition is intended to be anonymous, so if any of you are thinking of voting on the finalists, I would urge you to consider whose submission is the best, and not simply vote for mine for being in the clan. While that may seem nice, I think the best entry should win, and I reckon some good entries will be coming in, judging by who is having a go at it.

Any feedback you can give is appreciated. I am posting here as I need a broad level of feedback, not just from one of the Foundry mods.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby yeti_c on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:14 am

Comments from me.

1) Geographical
Pros
The relief
Mexico/Columbia visible.

Cons
List of territories
Continents not readily visible

2) Colourful
Pros
Easily defined territories/continents
Mexico/Columbia visible
Clean

Cons
It's nice - but what's special about it?
Double up on legend is a bit weird

3) Artistic
Pros
Perspective gives a nice balance
Unique
Feeling
Mexico/Columbia Visible

Cons
Bit Garish
Legibility

4) Island
Pros
Clean
Nice Background

Cons
Central America isn't an Island.
I don't like the port connections.
Some of the shading between continents seems weird.

5) Muted
Pros
Clean
Simple
Easy to play on
Columbia/Mexico are visible
Pretty much playable right now.

Cons
Is it special?

And a general comment on the map as a whole...

What's Panama famous for? a) a hat, b) a canal.

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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:16 am

It shouldn't matter as soon as the link is posted on the news updates on main page. The brazil got like 1,000 votes. So a few clan members shouldn't matter.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby wcaclimbing on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:16 am

The problem is that clans can have a huge impact on the results, which could easily make the wrong images win (if anyone remembers my complaints about mibi's layer battle, you know what I'm talking about).

If I sent a PM to every member of TUC with a link to the Centerscape vote (I wouldn't do that, its just an example), I could easily pull an extra 15-20 votes just from clan-members supporting me.

I don't really know of a way to fix that problem, but it definitely messes up the results whenever people reveal who made what...

EDIT: just seems kinda bizarre with so many posts supporting 2, 3, and 5. Only two people have showed any support for #4 in their posts (one loved it, the other liked it but didn't vote for it).
It just seems unrealistic that 4 would be getting so many votes without more people supporting it in this thread, without some kind of business behind-the-scenes.

EDIT2: It would work if the polls all had a link on the main page. Then the huge number of votes (brazil had 700+ votes) would be able to counteract any suspicous clan business.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby oaktown on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:59 am

When I posted the voting I PM'd Andy to get a headline up (I can't do that) - when the headline went up last time around we went from dozens of votes to hundreds of votes, so a few extra clan votes shouldn't have a significant impact - especially in the first round.

Though it would be nice for the site if CC users would vote for the map they liked best, not the mapmaker they liked best. [-X
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby barterer2002 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:34 pm

I think I come at these maps from a different perspective. Here's what I thought of them, although I have no mapmaking skills.

1. For me this one was too dark. Its almost as if I were playing this map at night. Personal preference on my part is for Water to be a shade of Blue rather than black. I find some of the terts to be more difficult to read as well. I also HATE the number things that have started to come out. For me they're more confusing than having an actual territory name.

2. This was my vote. I like the colors, I like the names on the terts, I like the way its easy to read. To me the colors look like they belong on Central America. Personally I like playing maps like Great Lakes and Africa that are easy to read, and simple to play-where I can play anyone of any skill level without having an advantage or disadvantage because some of the game play is odd. This map, to me, is reminicient of those two.

3. Visually its the nicest to look at but its not one I would look to play very much. The cursive text is something I find difficult to read and while I can figure it out (much like Midkendil) I prefer not to work that hard to figure out which tert I am attacking once I've decided where to attack. The Bocas del Toro (see I can figure it out if I have to) also confused me slightly as it seems to be a significantly different color than those around it and I wondered if it was a different bonus area (I decided that it wasn't)

4. I like the way that the different bonus structures have their tert names outlined in color although Gutamela and Panama are more difficult to read. I'm not sure why the legend has the attack route in it as that doesn't seem to be on the map at all.

5. Similar to 2 but with more earth tones. I debated between this one and the second one as to which would get my vote and went with 2 because i liked the colors as more regional-more vibrant rather than muted.

For me then, in order 2-5-4-1-3
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:52 pm

I really liked number 4 the most. However, I don't like that it makes Central America look like an "island".
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby ZeakCytho on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:02 pm

Thanks so much Yeti and Barterer. Keep the comments flowing guys! I'm editing mine now.

Any guesses on who submitted what yet?
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:21 pm

#1 ZeakCytho
#2 whitestazn88
#3 e_i_pi
#4 Kaplowitz
#5 Gimil

?? I really have no idea though.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:31 pm

RjBeals wrote:#5 Gimil

Gimil did Portugal, meaning he isn't eligible. Unless of course he never actually did Portugal!!! :o :insert dramatic music here:

I don't think Whitestazn88 submitted an entry either. These people submitted entries...

e_i_pi
ZeakCytho
bryguy
samuelc812
Kaplowitz

...as far as I know
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby whitestazn88 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:38 pm

RjBeals wrote:#1 ZeakCytho
#2 whitestazn88
#3 e_i_pi
#4 Kaplowitz
#5 Gimil

?? I really have no idea though.


1. i thought zeak already made a map? (Archipelago)
2. i've already posted that i didn't make one
3. could be a good guess
4. i think kap can do better than that.... his swiss map looks pretty damn good
5. gim made feudal right?

i think itd be pretty damn hard to guess who the amateurs are, especially since someone might have come out of the woodwork, i'm thinking guys like blacky44? drake259? um... (after some research) rsacheli? a.sub? i don't even know if any of them are amateurs, but the possibilites are endless
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby RjBeals on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:43 pm

Opps... Guess I was way off then :oops:
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby lgoasklucyl on Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:25 pm

I subbed one- there's your missing link ;)

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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby MrBenn on Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:31 pm

I think all the entries show promise. I'm working on feedback that I started while at work, and now have to go and buy some Christmas-light bulbs... my feedback will come soon!
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby bryguy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:48 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:
RjBeals wrote:#1 ZeakCytho

1. i thought zeak already made a map? (Archipelago)



no, mjinga made archipelago if i remember correctly


[off-topic]

Gl getting christmas lights ben :)


my family just buys a couple boxes each year and then keeps them for next year..... man, so many christmas lights to put up now..... eh better get to it someday, we only have a handful up, and like 3-10 crates left..... #-o

[/off-topic]

edit: since people are guessing who did what, im gonna throw my guesses out there :D


3: e_i_π, just because its very thorough and different, it seems like something he would do. (heh, just realized that the army circle-things are to small for double digits)

5: Lgoa, idk why but i think its his

4: its so well done i have to say Kap, that and it just seems so like him to do something like this

2: Zeak. Seems like something zeak would do for a map, after hanging around archipelago so long. The colors are very similar to it in my opinion.

1: I have my suspicions for this one, but not really anything to confirm my suspicions.... for now though im just gonna guess Gilligan, just cause it seems like something he would do... idk why it seems like that.


lol mostly Im guessing on how people would do it, and what i come up with is close to these entries. 5 im really just guessing at, as it seems like something lgoa would do, and it seems pretty simple, but with nice effex
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby yeti_c on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:34 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:Thanks so much Yeti and Barterer. Keep the comments flowing guys! I'm editing mine now.

Any guesses on who submitted what yet?


No worries Zeak - I don't know which one is yours - but glad to have helped!

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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby InsomniaRed on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:57 pm

Okay I've been looking at these too much and I decided if 3 get's legible and the graphics get clearer, I dunno...it just would look so good. I like the originality of it....ah I can't make up my mind. So the word is they get a revision before the end of the vote, or after? I don't understand.
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby whitestazn88 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:01 pm

InsomniaRed wrote:Okay I've been looking at these too much and I decided if 3 get's legible and the graphics get clearer, I dunno...it just would look so good. I like the originality of it....ah I can't make up my mind. So the word is they get a revision before the end of the vote, or after? I don't understand.


i think top 3 move on, get one update. then the winner enters regular foundry process

ps. when did you get the purple name tag? congrats
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby whitestazn88 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:02 pm

lgoasklucyl wrote:I subbed one- there's your missing link ;)

Sorri I didn't drop by earlier I've got crazy-bad strep throat and have been knocked out allll day.


i have never even seen you in the foundry... maybe i'm not looking hard enough, but that came out of nowhere for me.

that is, unless you didn't actually make one and you're messing with us
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Re: Official: Central America Competition - VOTE!

Postby Kaplowitz on Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:06 pm

This one is mine, i didnt have the time to finish/submit it (so idk y people are saying i did one lol)!
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Anyway, although 3 has a little bit too much going on IMO, it really stands out and i dont like the other ones, and i voted for it!
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