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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby AAFitz on Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:15 pm

downside possibilities are pretty small on this one. There are certainly ways around it, but none are as effective as inviting someone not around.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby lord voldemort on Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:53 pm

Eddie. That suggestion isn't relevant. And I think already been suggested with support. I know lack wanted to review the whole invite process. But yer. I see little downside to this. If friends just have an account to play the odd game irl. Then they can just as easily make it private. Only issue is timeframe as Andy said
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby alex951 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:51 pm

=D> way to go LV nice suggestion I really thing the site will benefit from this
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby edwinissweet on Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:21 am

Um so far this looks like a win. Timminz does bring up a good point about how people can simply invite their friends and ask them to let the invite expire to get the same result. To me it seems like a ridiculous thing to do, but farmers exploit the system as much as they can so it would be ideal if we could hear some suggestions regarding that issue.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:05 am

edwinissweet wrote:Um so far this looks like a win. Timminz does bring up a good point about how people can simply invite their friends and ask them to let the invite expire to get the same result. To me it seems like a ridiculous thing to do, but farmers exploit the system as much as they can so it would be ideal if we could hear some suggestions regarding that issue.


Timminz is certainly right. My argument is...well, there's really nothing you can do about that. But there IS something that can be done about the inactive players being invited.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:10 am

One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.

That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.

Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.

Just some thoughts.


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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Darwins_Bane on Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:31 am

or even that you cannot invite oponents?
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:51 am

hmm andys idea has merit, there are situations when it will genuinely cause problems but they are minor
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby BoganGod on Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:17 pm

Good suggestion LV
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Denise on Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:37 pm

I have a fremium friend who is hardly active, but once in a while he wants to play a game. He will ask me to invite him to one, and we like to play dubs as well as 1 vs 1 sometimes. I can see that this would be a terrible inconvenience to him, and others who are not really active but just like to play once in a while. I could make 1 vs 1's private, but for dubs I will join a public game, then invite him to it. So I guess I agree with Andy that this would be a poor way to entice barely actives to become more active. It's too bad coz I like the idea of finding a way to limit abuse of the invite system.

As far as limiting invites to teams, couldn't a player abuse that by inviting 2 random players to join the same team?
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby darth emperor on Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:15 pm

Denise wrote:I have a fremium friend who is hardly active, but once in a while he wants to play a game. He will ask me to invite him to one, and we like to play dubs as well as 1 vs 1 sometimes. I can see that this would be a terrible inconvenience to him, and others who are not really active but just like to play once in a while. I could make 1 vs 1's private, but for dubs I will join a public game, then invite him to it. So I guess I agree with Andy that this would be a poor way to entice barely actives to become more active. It's too bad coz I like the idea of finding a way to limit abuse of the invite system.

As far as limiting invites to teams, couldn't a player abuse that by inviting 2 random players to join the same team?

Well you could play first the 1v1 private and after that sent the invite....
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:21 pm

What if the definition of "active" were based on last log-in, and not active games? That way old people who come back to the site can still feel involved.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:29 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:What if the definition of "active" were based on last log-in, and not active games? That way old people who come back to the site can still feel involved.


Great point.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Denise on Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:58 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:What if the definition of "active" were based on last log-in, and not active games? That way old people who come back to the site can still feel involved.


That's a good idea!
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:42 am

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Metsfanmax wrote:What if the definition of "active" were based on last log-in, and not active games? That way old people who come back to the site can still feel involved.


Great point.

Could you develop this a little more? Is there still an issue with our desire to make it so users can still send invites to their friends who have wandered away from Conquer Club?


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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:52 am

AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.

That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.

Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.

Just some thoughts.


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Great point Andy, this essentially kills the suggestion. The site needs as many players to stick around and/or come back if they have abandoned the site. As annoying as those invite emails are, its enough to remind me. And if I hadn't played in a long time, was inactive, it might just be enough to make me come back to the site!
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Woodruff on Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:47 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.
That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.
Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.
Just some thoughts.


Great point Andy, this essentially kills the suggestion.


No it doesn't...did you manage to overlook Metsfanmax's point regarding what constitutes an "inactive player"?
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby greenoaks on Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:56 am

I was gone for over 2 years and had completely forgotten about the site but came back after i got a reminder
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:44 pm

Denise wrote:As far as limiting invites to teams, couldn't a player abuse that by inviting 2 random players to join the same team?

Denise makes a good point here, that abuse could still exist in an expanded form. So I'm stuck.


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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby lord voldemort on Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:54 pm

I think that once inactive. ie drop off scoreboard. That you shouldnt be able to get invites until you have taken a turn. So in theory you want to come back and your friend wants to invite you. make a pvt 1v1 take a turn you get the privs back
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:31 pm

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AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.
That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.
Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.
Just some thoughts.


Great point Andy, this essentially kills the suggestion.


No it doesn't...did you manage to overlook Metsfanmax's point regarding what constitutes an "inactive player"?


That suggestion would have to be developed first, before this suggestion could be functional. However, there are still holes regarding changing the determining factor(s) for inactive status.

Then, Denise brings up a a great point request to make this functional for teams could still be abused.

Overall, it won't work.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby darth emperor on Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:07 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Denise wrote:As far as limiting invites to teams, couldn't a player abuse that by inviting 2 random players to join the same team?

Denise makes a good point here, that abuse could still exist in an expanded form. So I'm stuck.


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But now you can see who would be your partner...and then choose if you accept or not....
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Denise on Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:32 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:What if the definition of "active" were based on last log-in, and not active games? That way old people who come back to the site can still feel involved.


Great point.

Could you develop this a little more? Is there still an issue with our desire to make it so users can still send invites to their friends who have wandered away from Conquer Club?


--Andy


hmm, when I think about this it would be a little difficult in some cases. In my example, it wouldn't be an issue. My friend would log on, thus making him "active" and able to receive invites. But if someone wants to get their friend back on by sending an invite, it might be an issue. I suppose they could just tell their friend to log on so they could send the invite? I haven't read the other thread in detail, but is this even the issue? Can't the abuse still happen, just by sending invites to random low rankers who are active?

lord voldemort wrote:I think that once inactive. ie drop off scoreboard. That you shouldnt be able to get invites until you have taken a turn. So in theory you want to come back and your friend wants to invite you. make a pvt 1v1 take a turn you get the privs back


This might work, but what if you want to play a team game and not a 1 vs 1? This limits the choices you get to become active again.

darth emperor wrote:But now you can see who would be your partner...and then choose if you accept or not....


But the players who are being sent these invites will be happy to accept regardless of who their partner is, being newbies or maybe they are just inexperienced at team games.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:38 am

Denise wrote:But the players who are being sent these invites will be happy to accept regardless of who their partner is, being newbies or maybe they are just inexperienced at team games.

and they are the type of players these games are being set up to attract anyway
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby NightWolf on Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:59 pm

If the definition of "inactive" is amended to refer to a players last login, as opposed to last completed game (over a period of a month both ways), Andy's idea has little basis, since game invites expire after 24 hours. If it refers to the last time a game was completed, then it would be a problem. But in any case, if it is so difficult to find a solution, can't some other triggers make a player "active" again, such as logging in AND joining a new game, constituting a return to playing?

EDIT:

last login as in inviting someone who hasn't been on for month(s), and still has not returned.
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