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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:52 am

AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.

That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.

Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.

Just some thoughts.


--Andy



Great point Andy, this essentially kills the suggestion. The site needs as many players to stick around and/or come back if they have abandoned the site. As annoying as those invite emails are, its enough to remind me. And if I hadn't played in a long time, was inactive, it might just be enough to make me come back to the site!
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Woodruff on Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:47 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.
That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.
Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.
Just some thoughts.


Great point Andy, this essentially kills the suggestion.


No it doesn't...did you manage to overlook Metsfanmax's point regarding what constitutes an "inactive player"?
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby greenoaks on Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:56 am

I was gone for over 2 years and had completely forgotten about the site but came back after i got a reminder
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:44 pm

Denise wrote:As far as limiting invites to teams, couldn't a player abuse that by inviting 2 random players to join the same team?

Denise makes a good point here, that abuse could still exist in an expanded form. So I'm stuck.


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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby lord voldemort on Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:54 pm

I think that once inactive. ie drop off scoreboard. That you shouldnt be able to get invites until you have taken a turn. So in theory you want to come back and your friend wants to invite you. make a pvt 1v1 take a turn you get the privs back
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:31 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.
That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.
Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.
Just some thoughts.


Great point Andy, this essentially kills the suggestion.


No it doesn't...did you manage to overlook Metsfanmax's point regarding what constitutes an "inactive player"?


That suggestion would have to be developed first, before this suggestion could be functional. However, there are still holes regarding changing the determining factor(s) for inactive status.

Then, Denise brings up a a great point request to make this functional for teams could still be abused.

Overall, it won't work.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby darth emperor on Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:07 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Denise wrote:As far as limiting invites to teams, couldn't a player abuse that by inviting 2 random players to join the same team?

Denise makes a good point here, that abuse could still exist in an expanded form. So I'm stuck.


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But now you can see who would be your partner...and then choose if you accept or not....
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Denise on Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:32 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:What if the definition of "active" were based on last log-in, and not active games? That way old people who come back to the site can still feel involved.


Great point.

Could you develop this a little more? Is there still an issue with our desire to make it so users can still send invites to their friends who have wandered away from Conquer Club?


--Andy


hmm, when I think about this it would be a little difficult in some cases. In my example, it wouldn't be an issue. My friend would log on, thus making him "active" and able to receive invites. But if someone wants to get their friend back on by sending an invite, it might be an issue. I suppose they could just tell their friend to log on so they could send the invite? I haven't read the other thread in detail, but is this even the issue? Can't the abuse still happen, just by sending invites to random low rankers who are active?

lord voldemort wrote:I think that once inactive. ie drop off scoreboard. That you shouldnt be able to get invites until you have taken a turn. So in theory you want to come back and your friend wants to invite you. make a pvt 1v1 take a turn you get the privs back


This might work, but what if you want to play a team game and not a 1 vs 1? This limits the choices you get to become active again.

darth emperor wrote:But now you can see who would be your partner...and then choose if you accept or not....


But the players who are being sent these invites will be happy to accept regardless of who their partner is, being newbies or maybe they are just inexperienced at team games.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:38 am

Denise wrote:But the players who are being sent these invites will be happy to accept regardless of who their partner is, being newbies or maybe they are just inexperienced at team games.

and they are the type of players these games are being set up to attract anyway
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby NightWolf on Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:59 pm

If the definition of "inactive" is amended to refer to a players last login, as opposed to last completed game (over a period of a month both ways), Andy's idea has little basis, since game invites expire after 24 hours. If it refers to the last time a game was completed, then it would be a problem. But in any case, if it is so difficult to find a solution, can't some other triggers make a player "active" again, such as logging in AND joining a new game, constituting a return to playing?

EDIT:

last login as in inviting someone who hasn't been on for month(s), and still has not returned.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby stahrgazer on Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:50 am

AndyDufresne wrote:One of the nice things about the invite feature---is that it can get inactive users active on Conquer Club once again. It is a nice tool for getting people that have wandered, to come back, if they know they have a game waiting for them.
That said, perhaps instead of going with a disallow of inviting inactive players, since it hurts Conquer Club's ability to get old people active again, what if for Team Games, when reserving/inviting opponents, you can only reserve/invite whole teams, instead of individual spots on a team.
Something like that would still allow for old people to become active again through using invites, but maybe limit some of the poor sportsmanship that goes on when trying to keep established teams out of games.
Just some thoughts.
--Andy


Devil's Advocate: if it's "poor sportsmanship" enough that you're suggesting codes to disallow the problem, then why isn't it "poor sportsmanship" enough to make it a violation of rules?

Also, a few tourney organizers start games, invite the opposing teams' captains, and require those captains to invite the rest of their team... your solution to make something 'icky' be impossible without being illegal, would hinder the tourney organizers' ability to take this easy way out.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:25 pm

stahrgazer wrote:Devil's Advocate: if it's "poor sportsmanship" enough that you're suggesting codes to disallow the problem, then why isn't it "poor sportsmanship" enough to make it a violation of rules?


It's easier to disallow it automatically and have it not happen anymore, than to have mods who go around and look for people abusing the system; and inevitably, some of those people would be missed that way anyway.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby stahrgazer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:45 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:Devil's Advocate: if it's "poor sportsmanship" enough that you're suggesting codes to disallow the problem, then why isn't it "poor sportsmanship" enough to make it a violation of rules?


It's easier to disallow it automatically and have it not happen anymore, than to have mods who go around and look for people abusing the system; and inevitably, some of those people would be missed that way anyway.



And that logic is why I suggested we could elim social forums totally; easier not to allow things that people could abuse, than to have enforcement for the less than 1% that would abuse.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby Metsfanmax on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:36 pm

stahrgazer wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:Devil's Advocate: if it's "poor sportsmanship" enough that you're suggesting codes to disallow the problem, then why isn't it "poor sportsmanship" enough to make it a violation of rules?


It's easier to disallow it automatically and have it not happen anymore, than to have mods who go around and look for people abusing the system; and inevitably, some of those people would be missed that way anyway.



And that logic is why I suggested we could elim social forums totally; easier not to allow things that people could abuse, than to have enforcement for the less than 1% that would abuse.


Nobody gets hurt when somebody posts a spam topic in a social forum.
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Re: Not allow inactive players to be invited to games

Postby stahrgazer on Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:50 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Nobody gets hurt when somebody posts a spam topic in a social forum.


And no one gets hurt when an inactive doesn't join a game he or she was invited to join; it expires in 24 hours. Nor does anyone get hurt by receiving a random invite; they join or do not join. If they join, they play, if they don't join, someone else plays.
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