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Re: random medal

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:35 pm

I dont think you can tell which games were assigned from a random map. I run all my tournies with a random map because it shows how crossed map a player is or is not.
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Re: random medal

Postby Bones2484 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:38 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:I dont think you can tell which games were assigned from a random map.


Dont know where you got that idea from.

Maybe... earlier in the thread?

jpcloet wrote:Right now, you can't go back and find out which games are random. I've suggested that they will need to have their own numbering system or another fix.
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Re: random medal

Postby jarrett155 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:41 pm

yeah but it seems faily easy to implement that. you just wouldnt get a medal right away after your first win. cross map isnt the same/ any good player would still be ready to play on the map wether theyve played it before or not.
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Re: random medal

Postby max is gr8 on Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:48 pm

possibly an R before the number of the game. So if the game would have been 111111 it would be R111111.

Simply solution really. Or Have it as an option at the side under Fog of War, random map: yes.
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Re: random medal

Postby Catarah on Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:36 pm

i completely love this idea.

as i've played lots of 1v1 random games, i was dissapointed to see that random doesnt give a medal.

i wouldn't say cross map achievement covers this. one can only play standard type of maps and probably obtain a silver in that, and figure out the gameplay of a few other maps and get a gold cross map achievement.

random though, means you've got to be able to adapt to new maps on the fly, even if you've never seen it before.

i vote to implant a random medal.
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Re: random medal

Postby JoshyBoy on Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:50 pm

I fully and wholeheartedly support this idea.
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Re: random medal

Postby Prankcall on Sat May 01, 2010 3:48 pm

how about 1st identifying a map/game as being created random,imagine how appalled I was in finding you cannot even know how times you have played random maps,bothers me 2 know end.
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3-Fold Random Suggestion [Implemented]

Postby Queen_Herpes on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:18 am

*mods, please merge this with the Q&A thread I started on the same topic...I will update my original post there with the following information once it is merged over here since that one is the older post and will show up first...

Concise description:
  • Register the random games in the database, make them trackable and countable, etc.
  • Show to all (make visible) that a game was started in random
  • Eventually implement a random game medal

Specifics/Details:
  • As stated above

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • The random map game option represents a choice by the participant to play any one of the maps on CC
  • Once the map is selected, the winner of one random game is potentially not that skilled (especially if the map selected is one the winner has played frequently in the past.)
  • If a player wins frequently in random games, the player is likely skilled at playing the game on any map, this special skill should be recognized in the following ways:
    • visible to all the the winner has won other random games
    • a medal to recognize considerable achievement with this map option
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Arama86n on Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:55 am

=D> =D> =D>
This is an important improvement. Every time I've started a random game I've thought about this, that down the road no one will know which of my games were random and which weren't. Hell, I don't remember myself ;)

Also, by improving the site by implementing the first two suggestions it opens up for a Random-Map medal. Along with xmap medal this should be a very important medal when judging how versatile a player is, useful for clan scouting etc.
Also, a random map medal would naturally encourage more people to use the random function, and thus ensure more of CC wonderfull maps see the light of day.

Need I go on? Win win situation imho
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:09 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:*mods, please merge this with the Q&A thread I started on the same topic...I will update my original post there with the following information once it is merged over here since that one is the older post and will show up first...

Concise description:
  • Register the random games in the database, make them trackable and countable, etc.
  • Show to all (make visible) that a game was started in random
  • Eventually implement a random game medal

Specifics/Details:
  • As stated above

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • The random map game option represents a choice by the participant to play any one of the maps on CC
  • Once the map is selected, the winner of one random game is potentially not that skilled (especially if the map selected is one the winner has played frequently in the past.)
  • If a player wins frequently in random games, the player is likely skilled at playing the game on any map, this special skill should be recognized in the following ways:
    • visible to all the the winner has won other random games
    • a medal to recognize considerable achievement with this map option


As much as I loathe to agree with Queen_Herpes about anything (you know I'm kidding! <grin>), I agree with her completely. I think this is a improvement suggestion has no downside at all.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby MichelSableheart on Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:52 pm

Completely agree.

A player who wins on a map that was selected at random is probably more versatile then a player who wins on that same map after choosing to play on it. There currently is no easy way to make this difference visible. This suggestion definately adds to the functionality of the site.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby drunkmonkey on Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:37 pm

One more vote of support. =D>
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby shocked439 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:57 pm

I agree! This is a great idea.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby squishyg on Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:06 pm

i completely agree with queenie with absolutely no asterisks to her suggestion!! please let us random mappers have the respect we deserve!!
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:16 am

When Random Maps came out, I can't remember if there was a specific technical reason or not why Lack didn't keep track of it. We'll have to see! But I like the idea nonetheless.


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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Lubawski on Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:05 am

Agreed
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Queen_Herpes on Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:22 pm

Agreed.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:20 am

I see no downside, it would definitely give players an incentive to play a random game, thus making people more likely to be more well-rounded on unfamiliar maps.
However, I have a question- for the crossmaps medal, would each unique defeat count both towards the random map and the map that came up from the random setting, or just the random setting? (Assuming the random medal would be based off of unique defeats, that is.)
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Queen_Herpes on Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:22 am

rdsrds2120 wrote:I see no downside, it would definitely give players an incentive to play a random game, thus making people more likely to be more well-rounded on unfamiliar maps.
However, I have a question- for the crossmaps medal, would each unique defeat count both towards the random map and the map that came up from the random setting, or just the random setting? (Assuming the random medal would be based off of unique defeats, that is.)


Agreed. It would count towards both.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Woodruff on Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:43 pm

Queen_Herpes wrote:*mods, please merge this with the Q&A thread I started on the same topic...I will update my original post there with the following information once it is merged over here since that one is the older post and will show up first...

Concise description:
  • Register the random games in the database, make them trackable and countable, etc.
  • Show to all (make visible) that a game was started in random
  • Eventually implement a random game medal

Specifics/Details:
  • As stated above

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • The random map game option represents a choice by the participant to play any one of the maps on CC
  • Once the map is selected, the winner of one random game is potentially not that skilled (especially if the map selected is one the winner has played frequently in the past.)
  • If a player wins frequently in random games, the player is likely skilled at playing the game on any map, this special skill should be recognized in the following ways:
    • visible to all the the winner has won other random games
    • a medal to recognize considerable achievement with this map option


I would like to state that if the suggestion for random-exclusions is accepted (and I believe it should be), this suggestion here should NOT APPLY to games in which there were exclusions taken for the map possibilities. My rationale for this is that the game is no longer representative of "truly flexible", particularly if the aspects of that suggestion for SEVERE exclusions are put into place. Someone could essentially "exclude down" to the same exact STYLE of map that they specialize in.
Here is that suggestion:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=122078
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Queen_Herpes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:08 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:*mods, please merge this with the Q&A thread I started on the same topic...I will update my original post there with the following information once it is merged over here since that one is the older post and will show up first...

Concise description:
  • Register the random games in the database, make them trackable and countable, etc.
  • Show to all (make visible) that a game was started in random
  • Eventually implement a random game medal

Specifics/Details:
  • As stated above

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • The random map game option represents a choice by the participant to play any one of the maps on CC
  • Once the map is selected, the winner of one random game is potentially not that skilled (especially if the map selected is one the winner has played frequently in the past.)
  • If a player wins frequently in random games, the player is likely skilled at playing the game on any map, this special skill should be recognized in the following ways:
    • visible to all the the winner has won other random games
    • a medal to recognize considerable achievement with this map option


I would like to state that if the suggestion for random-exclusions is accepted (and I believe it should be), this suggestion here should NOT APPLY to games in which there were exclusions taken for the map possibilities. My rationale for this is that the game is no longer representative of "truly flexible", particularly if the aspects of that suggestion for SEVERE exclusions are put into place. Someone could essentially "exclude down" to the same exact STYLE of map that they specialize in.
Here is that suggestion:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=122078


Good point. If you can make more than ? exclusions, at what point does ? become ridiculous and not awardable towards the medal? That being said, considering new maps are being added (and none being subtracted) would a random medal awarded only for "no exclusions" be more valuable in year 2013 than in year 2010?
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Woodruff on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:42 pm

Queen_Herpes wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:*mods, please merge this with the Q&A thread I started on the same topic...I will update my original post there with the following information once it is merged over here since that one is the older post and will show up first...

Concise description:
  • Register the random games in the database, make them trackable and countable, etc.
  • Show to all (make visible) that a game was started in random
  • Eventually implement a random game medal

Specifics/Details:
  • As stated above

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • The random map game option represents a choice by the participant to play any one of the maps on CC
  • Once the map is selected, the winner of one random game is potentially not that skilled (especially if the map selected is one the winner has played frequently in the past.)
  • If a player wins frequently in random games, the player is likely skilled at playing the game on any map, this special skill should be recognized in the following ways:
    • visible to all the the winner has won other random games
    • a medal to recognize considerable achievement with this map option


I would like to state that if the suggestion for random-exclusions is accepted (and I believe it should be), this suggestion here should NOT APPLY to games in which there were exclusions taken for the map possibilities. My rationale for this is that the game is no longer representative of "truly flexible", particularly if the aspects of that suggestion for SEVERE exclusions are put into place. Someone could essentially "exclude down" to the same exact STYLE of map that they specialize in.
Here is that suggestion:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=122078


Good point. If you can make more than ? exclusions, at what point does ? become ridiculous and not awardable towards the medal? That being said, considering new maps are being added (and none being subtracted) would a random medal awarded only for "no exclusions" be more valuable in year 2013 than in year 2010?


Marginally, perhaps...though I would argue not significantly. I say this because regardless of the SHEER NUMBER of maps, there is likely not to be a tremendous amount more DIVERSITY among the maps (basically, I think that map-wise we've covered pretty much any idiosincracies that we can)...so the flexibility/skill involved would essentially be the same. I'm of the opinion that this suggestion should only apply to "no exclusions random map games", but that's just my opinion.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby Queen_Herpes on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:57 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:*mods, please merge this with the Q&A thread I started on the same topic...I will update my original post there with the following information once it is merged over here since that one is the older post and will show up first...

Concise description:
  • Register the random games in the database, make them trackable and countable, etc.
  • Show to all (make visible) that a game was started in random
  • Eventually implement a random game medal

Specifics/Details:
  • As stated above

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • The random map game option represents a choice by the participant to play any one of the maps on CC
  • Once the map is selected, the winner of one random game is potentially not that skilled (especially if the map selected is one the winner has played frequently in the past.)
  • If a player wins frequently in random games, the player is likely skilled at playing the game on any map, this special skill should be recognized in the following ways:
    • visible to all the the winner has won other random games
    • a medal to recognize considerable achievement with this map option


I would like to state that if the suggestion for random-exclusions is accepted (and I believe it should be), this suggestion here should NOT APPLY to games in which there were exclusions taken for the map possibilities. My rationale for this is that the game is no longer representative of "truly flexible", particularly if the aspects of that suggestion for SEVERE exclusions are put into place. Someone could essentially "exclude down" to the same exact STYLE of map that they specialize in.
Here is that suggestion:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=122078


Good point. If you can make more than ? exclusions, at what point does ? become ridiculous and not awardable towards the medal? That being said, considering new maps are being added (and none being subtracted) would a random medal awarded only for "no exclusions" be more valuable in year 2013 than in year 2010?


Marginally, perhaps...though I would argue not significantly. I say this because regardless of the SHEER NUMBER of maps, there is likely not to be a tremendous amount more DIVERSITY among the maps (basically, I think that map-wise we've covered pretty much any idiosincracies that we can)...so the flexibility/skill involved would essentially be the same.


Woodruff wrote:I'm of the opinion that this suggestion should only apply to "no exclusions random map games", but that's just my opinion.


I agree. Any other people reading this thread?
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=102006

This link is the best way to make new players feel welcome...

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=102006
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:38 am

Obviously I am, and i am going to agree with woodruff. If you have exclusions from the random map, then they should not count towards the random medal/stats.
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Re: 3-Fold Random Suggestion

Postby MichelSableheart on Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:53 am

I'm seeing only positive feedback, no negative feedback, and a reasonable amount of support. Time to sticky?
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