InsomniaRed wrote:And yes to the login being changed to HTTPS, but not the whole site.
I agree...there is no reason to encrypt the entire site. But you know..it does work just fine.

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InsomniaRed wrote:And yes to the login being changed to HTTPS, but not the whole site.
bedub1 wrote:Bump.
Can we try and get this deployed? It's really easy and would be helpful, even if everybody doesn't understand why or agree. There really isn't a single downside to deploying this....only positives....
blakebowling wrote:bedub1 wrote:Bump.
Can we try and get this deployed? It's really easy and would be helpful, even if everybody doesn't understand why or agree. There really isn't a single downside to deploying this....only positives....
Lies.
HTTPS is SLOWER than HTTP
bedub1 wrote:blakebowling wrote:bedub1 wrote:Bump.
Can we try and get this deployed? It's really easy and would be helpful, even if everybody doesn't understand why or agree. There really isn't a single downside to deploying this....only positives....
Lies.
HTTPS is SLOWER than HTTP
True. It has a little bit of extra information to include the security portion. How long does login take? a second? So if it takes 1.1 seconds with encryption?
blakebowling wrote:bedub1 wrote:blakebowling wrote:bedub1 wrote:Bump.
Can we try and get this deployed? It's really easy and would be helpful, even if everybody doesn't understand why or agree. There really isn't a single downside to deploying this....only positives....
Lies.
HTTPS is SLOWER than HTTP
True. It has a little bit of extra information to include the security portion. How long does login take? a second? So if it takes 1.1 seconds with encryption?
It is also completely pointless. Every good web developer should know that forcing protocols is never good.
blakebowling wrote:bedub1 wrote:blakebowling wrote:bedub1 wrote:Bump.
Can we try and get this deployed? It's really easy and would be helpful, even if everybody doesn't understand why or agree. There really isn't a single downside to deploying this....only positives....
Lies.
HTTPS is SLOWER than HTTP
True. It has a little bit of extra information to include the security portion. How long does login take? a second? So if it takes 1.1 seconds with encryption?
It is also completely pointless. Every good web developer should know that forcing protocols is never good.
Darwins_Bane wrote:Although I understand where you're coming from, this is a gaming website, there is little to no likelyhood that someone is going to try to steal your password to it.
bedub1 wrote:blakebowling wrote:basic_man2010_20 wrote:well actually you say that its a gamine website noone will do it.... ummm yah how bout this there arte hackers that hackj games just to f*ck around with people..... mafia (mmropg) games get hacked all the time, I am preaty sure that this site is probley realy extreamlyeasy to hack
If I could read this, I might just have something to say about it.
hey now...that's not very polite. Did you consider english might not be his primary language?
"Well actually you saying that this is a gaming website thus nobody will attack it...umm..yeah...how about there are hackers that attack games just to f*ck with people...mafia (mmporg) gaming websites get hacked all the time. I am pretty sure that this site is easy to hack."
basic_man2010_20 wrote:bedub1 wrote:blakebowling wrote:basic_man2010_20 wrote:well actually you say that its a gamine website noone will do it.... ummm yah how bout this there arte hackers that hackj games just to f*ck around with people..... mafia (mmropg) games get hacked all the time, I am preaty sure that this site is probley realy extreamlyeasy to hack
If I could read this, I might just have something to say about it.
hey now...that's not very polite. Did you consider english might not be his primary language?
"Well actually you saying that this is a gaming website thus nobody will attack it...umm..yeah...how about there are hackers that attack games just to f*ck with people...mafia (mmporg) gaming websites get hacked all the time. I am pretty sure that this site is easy to hack."
well English is my primary language but i suck at typing as i don't pay much attention to the online grammar and crap like that. so tell me dose the site allow for .swf ANYWHERE on the site? if so it can eaisley be hacked. All you have to do is put a shell into the .swf file upload it to the site and you have access to the cpanel (if the site runs on a cpanel) or even the database. they get access to the database they have access to our e-mail password and all that they can easily then go and pretend to be us or even worse pull a herk and hack a persons account of witch they don't like and make a bunch of games and point dump and get the person banned.
The performance overhead is minor—zippy Gmail, for example, uses HTTPS for everything
By default, Facebook sends your access credentials in the clear, with no encryption whatsoever. Switching to HTTPS is important because a browser extension called Firesheep has made it especially easy for anyone sharing your open wireless network—at cafe or conference, for example—to sniff your credentials and freely access your account. One blogger sitting in a random New York Starbucks was able to steal 20-40 Facebook identities in half an hour. HTTPS solves this longstanding problem by encrypting your login cookies and other data; in fact the inventor of Firesheep made the software to encourage companies like Facebook to finally lock down their systems.
By January 5, it was clear that an entire country's worth of passwords were in the process of being stolen right in the midst of the greatest political upheaval in two decades.
Basically, the Tunisian government, through internet service providers, tried to steal the Facebook login info (usernames and passwords) of everyone in Tunisia. They did this through keyloggers, a piece of software that records the keys you hit on your computer.
When Facebook realized this was going on, they quickly switched the entire Tunisian site to https, the encrypted version of the HTTP protocol on which the web is built. (As an aside, we wonder why they don't do this by default for everyone. Https is slower, but it would sitll be more secure.)
Mr_Adams wrote:You should use that to hack into LackAttack's account and change his turtle picture.
bedub1 wrote:For people that seem to know what they are talking about, I'm completely flabbergasted at why people are arguing with me. This is in fact the elephant in the room.
Anybody want to guess what my password was? (I changed it specifically for this test).
Yes...that's right...my password was "securepassword".
I captured this using a program called Wireshark. It used to be called Ethereal. Firesheep is a little program that automates this to make it easier on would be hackers.
Passwords sent over HTTP are NOT secure.
Darwins_Bane wrote:bedub1 wrote:For people that seem to know what they are talking about, I'm completely flabbergasted at why people are arguing with me. This is in fact the elephant in the room.
Anybody want to guess what my password was? (I changed it specifically for this test).
Yes...that's right...my password was "securepassword".
I captured this using a program called Wireshark. It used to be called Ethereal. Firesheep is a little program that automates this to make it easier on would be hackers.
Passwords sent over HTTP are NOT secure.
I would like to see you do that with a computer that is not on the same router as the one where your password is being entered. That has to do with cookies if I'm right. If not, then I would agree that there needs to be a change. All I'm saying is you don't even need to convert to HTTPS to actually secure your password.
Darwins_Bane wrote:My guess would be that on login, when you hit it, the password characters that you type in would immediately use the encryptpass function built in to php. This is a one way function, meaning, that once encrypted, it cannot be unencrypted. What happens is on your first login, the encrypted version of your password is stored in the database, and then every time you try to login, it just checks whether the encryted password is the same one as in the database. This means that, in transit, and at any point along the line, your password is encrypted.
basic_man2010_20 wrote:but what you dont get is SHELLS allow you access to the cpanel wich in turn lets them into the database. acess to that database they could unbann people or give them free preemium for years on end bann people and all that other good stuff. even if its not in a cpanel then they can still upload a shell and get acess to the database.
bedub1 wrote:Darwins_Bane wrote:bedub1 wrote:For people that seem to know what they are talking about, I'm completely flabbergasted at why people are arguing with me. This is in fact the elephant in the room.
Anybody want to guess what my password was? (I changed it specifically for this test).
Yes...that's right...my password was "securepassword".
I captured this using a program called Wireshark. It used to be called Ethereal. Firesheep is a little program that automates this to make it easier on would be hackers.
Passwords sent over HTTP are NOT secure.
I would like to see you do that with a computer that is not on the same router as the one where your password is being entered. That has to do with cookies if I'm right. If not, then I would agree that there needs to be a change. All I'm saying is you don't even need to convert to HTTPS to actually secure your password.
It doesn't have to do with cookies. I ran a network packet stiffer to watch all packet flows.
You want me to hack a router on the path between me and CC? NO. (My tracert runs comcast.net all the way to texas before it hits rackspace's routers)
rackspace-bbr.dfw1.comcast.net [75.149.230.242] <--- Interesting...rackspace uses comcast?
You want me to find an unsecured wireless access point/public hotspot and watch all the traffic and snoop for passwords? NO.
I believe I've successfully proven my point. It's not even hard to deploy...given it's basically ALREADY SETUP. I'm not asking for the entire website to be redesigned in Flash or something. I've been using HTTPS for everything for some time now and I haven't seen any bugs. It's also plenty fast. I use clickable maps and it keeps up just fine.Darwins_Bane wrote:My guess would be that on login, when you hit it, the password characters that you type in would immediately use the encryptpass function built in to php. This is a one way function, meaning, that once encrypted, it cannot be unencrypted. What happens is on your first login, the encrypted version of your password is stored in the database, and then every time you try to login, it just checks whether the encryted password is the same one as in the database. This means that, in transit, and at any point along the line, your password is encrypted.
That's a guess, and an interesting one, but just plain wrong.
blakebowling wrote:basic_man2010_20 wrote:but what you dont get is SHELLS allow you access to the cpanel wich in turn lets them into the database. acess to that database they could unbann people or give them free preemium for years on end bann people and all that other good stuff. even if its not in a cpanel then they can still upload a shell and get acess to the database.
I'll tell you what, send me a PM with my password in it, and I will stop criticizing your "SHELLS in files argument"
basic_man2010_20 wrote:blakebowling wrote:basic_man2010_20 wrote:but what you dont get is SHELLS allow you access to the cpanel wich in turn lets them into the database. acess to that database they could unbann people or give them free preemium for years on end bann people and all that other good stuff. even if its not in a cpanel then they can still upload a shell and get acess to the database.
I'll tell you what, send me a PM with my password in it, and I will stop criticizing your "SHELLS in files argument"
okay so you want me to do this i will try to get incontact with someone i know over in teh jiddle east thats a hacker and hacks mafia sites via shells. i will have him try shells and things for the site see how secure this site really is?
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