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What do you think about Adjacent Attacks?

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby sully800 on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:35 pm

I love this idea and I would be willing to play in a tester game.

All hail the new gameplay ideas! This is the third one I fell in love with tonight :) It's about time we spice up Conquer Club.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:06 am

only 3 to go!
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:56 am

Wait, this suggestion is back? Finally! Hell yes, I'm in!
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:42 am

Only 2 more testers needed!!!
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby nemrehs1 on Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:19 pm

I think it is a good idea... i always like to try something new!
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby xruan on Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:40 pm

cool i like it ill play the test game
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby n00blet on Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:49 pm

Awesome! That is now a total 6 brave souls willing to surge forward into the dark, unexplored forest known only as ADJACENT ATTACKS!
And so, we are now ready to commence our test game.
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I will be sending pms to those who expressed they wanted to play in the test game shortly.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:14 pm

So lets be clear: The rule is,

After taking a territory, you cannot attack with it until the next round.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby n00blet on Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:24 pm

If you mean that "you cannot attack with that territory until the next round", then yes :)
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:02 am

Cool!!! I already joined it and am looking forward to play it.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Jeff Hardy on Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:55 am

i think it would be a nice addition to the site but i personally would never play it...
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:01 am

I want to share with you an important change in game dynamics due to this new rule. If you look at this image...

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You can see that Alaska is undefended. It has only 1 army. The reason is that Kamchatka is owned by the same player, and as attacks can only be adjacent, Kamchatka serves as buffer and allows to remain alaska undefended.

I think it is a very interesting change in game dynamics.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby sully800 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:15 am

Even more interesting will be if I get to Siam. Then no one would be able to take australia from me in a single turn because they can't attack Indoneisa without first owning Siam. this means that bottle necks become drastically more important than in a regular game, as do countries with a single border.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:23 am

Yes. Bottlenecks are more important now, because they grant you a buffer turn.

But (and that's another change) at the same time, the strategy of acumulating lots of armies in Siam and then storming as much as you can of the map won't be possible, because from Siam only India and China can be reached in a turn.

So as we see, many differences in how the game is played.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:52 am

Gaah... this is all so interesting to me, I really wish I still had the consistency to play a game...
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:40 am

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Cyan managed to secure Australia. He has a stronghold that grants him some safety. But... he cannot project his power over all the map in just one turn...
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:22 am

That game looks like it will go on forever, especially since there are no cards.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:52 am

lancehoch wrote:That game looks like it will go on forever, especially since there are no cards.


I think that longer games is something you can expect from limiting the amount of territories that armies can move to one per turn. Games with adjacent attacks are expected to take longer.

But I am not so sure that this game will take forever. There is one player who already owns Australia. And another with chances to get North America.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:57 am

Oliver, can you take the screenshots with the color codes on please. To me it looked like Ditocoaf had all of NA and then deadbeated instead of you owning all of NA. And, yes people may own continents, but it will take a long time for each of you, you and sully, to break the other person's stronghold. By that time, who knows how many armies will be on the map.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:30 am

lancehoch wrote:Oliver, can you take the screenshots with the color codes on please. To me it looked like Ditocoaf had all of NA and then deadbeated instead of you owning all of NA. And, yes people may own continents, but it will take a long time for each of you, you and sully, to break the other person's stronghold. By that time, who knows how many armies will be on the map.


Of course! I am sorry for not having done it from the begining. Please accept my apologies. I will take screenshots with colour codes from now on.

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As I said, I think there is nothing bad with games taking longer. I think that is exactly one of the things that this option wants to achieve. Longer games more based in overall strategy and less in lucky strikes. One thing is clear. The player who likes fast games shouldn't play games with adjacent attacks neither no cards option.

IMHO it is a question of personal preference. I like slow games. Specially when "slow" means relying less in lucky events (such as cashing twice a 10 army set in flat rate, or the player that comes before you falling short to kill another player so you can do it with almost no effort and cash the next set) and more in overall strategy. I like luck to play a factor in my games to make them less boring, but not to be a too important factor.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:44 am

I can definitely see what you are talking about. Also, nooblet, it looks like you will be the next casualty. Oliver, are you guys playing where if, hypothetically, sully loses China and India, can he attack China from Siam, not advance into China, and then attack India from Siam, or can he only take one back per turn?
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:53 pm

lancehoch wrote:I can definitely see what you are talking about. Also, nooblet, it looks like you will be the next casualty. Oliver, are you guys playing where if, hypothetically, sully loses China and India, can he attack China from Siam, not advance into China, and then attack India from Siam, or can he only take one back per turn?


The rule is "a player can only attack from territories he owned at the begining of his turn".

So if sully lost China and India, he would be able to attack China from Siam, not advance, and attack India from Siam. He would not be able to attack China from Siam, advance and then attack India from China.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:35 pm

If you guys decide to get another game together, let me know. I would like to try this, I think I may have changed my opinion from earlier in the thread.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Evan Thomas on Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:28 pm

i think that is a dumb idea, because it lowers the potential of the player's turn and it does not follow any real rule.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:31 pm

Evan Thomas wrote:i think that is a dumb idea, because it lowers the potential of the player's turn and it does not follow any real rule.


OliverFA wrote:The rule is "a player can only attack from territories he owned at the begining of his turn".


Thanks for your constructive criticism Evan [-X
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