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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:40 am

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Cyan managed to secure Australia. He has a stronghold that grants him some safety. But... he cannot project his power over all the map in just one turn...
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:22 am

That game looks like it will go on forever, especially since there are no cards.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:52 am

lancehoch wrote:That game looks like it will go on forever, especially since there are no cards.


I think that longer games is something you can expect from limiting the amount of territories that armies can move to one per turn. Games with adjacent attacks are expected to take longer.

But I am not so sure that this game will take forever. There is one player who already owns Australia. And another with chances to get North America.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:57 am

Oliver, can you take the screenshots with the color codes on please. To me it looked like Ditocoaf had all of NA and then deadbeated instead of you owning all of NA. And, yes people may own continents, but it will take a long time for each of you, you and sully, to break the other person's stronghold. By that time, who knows how many armies will be on the map.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:30 am

lancehoch wrote:Oliver, can you take the screenshots with the color codes on please. To me it looked like Ditocoaf had all of NA and then deadbeated instead of you owning all of NA. And, yes people may own continents, but it will take a long time for each of you, you and sully, to break the other person's stronghold. By that time, who knows how many armies will be on the map.


Of course! I am sorry for not having done it from the begining. Please accept my apologies. I will take screenshots with colour codes from now on.

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As I said, I think there is nothing bad with games taking longer. I think that is exactly one of the things that this option wants to achieve. Longer games more based in overall strategy and less in lucky strikes. One thing is clear. The player who likes fast games shouldn't play games with adjacent attacks neither no cards option.

IMHO it is a question of personal preference. I like slow games. Specially when "slow" means relying less in lucky events (such as cashing twice a 10 army set in flat rate, or the player that comes before you falling short to kill another player so you can do it with almost no effort and cash the next set) and more in overall strategy. I like luck to play a factor in my games to make them less boring, but not to be a too important factor.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:44 am

I can definitely see what you are talking about. Also, nooblet, it looks like you will be the next casualty. Oliver, are you guys playing where if, hypothetically, sully loses China and India, can he attack China from Siam, not advance into China, and then attack India from Siam, or can he only take one back per turn?
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:53 pm

lancehoch wrote:I can definitely see what you are talking about. Also, nooblet, it looks like you will be the next casualty. Oliver, are you guys playing where if, hypothetically, sully loses China and India, can he attack China from Siam, not advance into China, and then attack India from Siam, or can he only take one back per turn?


The rule is "a player can only attack from territories he owned at the begining of his turn".

So if sully lost China and India, he would be able to attack China from Siam, not advance, and attack India from Siam. He would not be able to attack China from Siam, advance and then attack India from China.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:35 pm

If you guys decide to get another game together, let me know. I would like to try this, I think I may have changed my opinion from earlier in the thread.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Evan Thomas on Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:28 pm

i think that is a dumb idea, because it lowers the potential of the player's turn and it does not follow any real rule.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:31 pm

Evan Thomas wrote:i think that is a dumb idea, because it lowers the potential of the player's turn and it does not follow any real rule.


OliverFA wrote:The rule is "a player can only attack from territories he owned at the begining of his turn".


Thanks for your constructive criticism Evan [-X
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:33 pm

lancehoch wrote:If you guys decide to get another game together, let me know. I would like to try this, I think I may have changed my opinion from earlier in the thread.


We talked about having a test game en Classic with escalating cards and another in World 2.1 with flat rate. Maybe you would like to join if N00blet agrees.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Gunner1980 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:01 pm

I've played this kind of game on a real board many times, and most of you who say that it would be long - you are absolutely right lol. The drop itself is not such a problem as much as it would be a problem playing with guys who are not ready to sacrifice themselves for sake of all. For instance red is the closest to green (and the only one who has enough armies to attack) who has just taken over europe, but red decides not to go after him but instead places his reinforcement on Peru and takes SA, allowing green to take his extra 5 and to basically take the game. Believe me, i've played this on map many times and this can be very fckn frustrating. but of course, dicks and aholes can join any tipe of game here so y'know...
i'm all for this option, takes a lot more tactics in this type of game to win it. just like any other setting, who likes the idea he will join the game, who does not, he will not. simple.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:10 pm

Who is up for another game of this type? Add your name to the sign up list:
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Gunner1980 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:25 pm

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby sully800 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:45 pm

We have a standard and an escalating game setup. pw sent to lance and gunner, but there is room for one more. Any takers?

Remember we are employing the adjacent attacks rule ourselves! Please do not break this rule purposefully, even though the game will allow you to. I understand that you may slip up, but hopefully that stays to a minimum.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:20 am

Signed up, lets do this.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby n00blet on Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:22 am

W00T! More support!
Hadn't checked this forum in a while ><, cuz I was busy with my movie.
Thanks for picking up for my and sending the pws Sully :)
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:39 pm

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In this screenshot you can see that Siam... I mean... A7 is undefended. And the force that usually would be there is in Japan (also known as A11) just knocking America's door.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby lancehoch on Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:37 pm

We are still looking for one person to play a new game with the same rules. Post if you want to join.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Blinkadyblink on Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:15 pm

lancehoch wrote:We are still looking for one person to play a new game with the same rules. Post if you want to join.


I'd love to give it a shot. I was going to sign up for the last one, but I couldn't free up a space in time.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:02 pm

Yeah, again very sorry for deadbeating out of the game... I've started a couple others since then, and I've avoided missing a turn now. But I hope you understand that that was my first game in a few months; I totally wasn't used to checking the my games page.
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby n00blet on Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:31 pm

Ditocoaf wrote:Yeah, again very sorry for deadbeating out of the game... I've started a couple others since then, and I've avoided missing a turn now. But I hope you understand that that was my first game in a few months; I totally wasn't used to checking the my games page.


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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:26 am

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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby OliverFA on Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:54 am

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I still get surprised when I see Siam with no armies protecting it. Something to get used to ;-)
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Re: Adjacent Attacks

Postby SuicidalSnowman on Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:44 am

I have been sort of following this thread for a bit now, but can I get clarification?

The rule is "a player can only attack from territories he owned at the begining of his turn".


Can you explain how this works for Bombardment territories, or give an example so I can see it in action?
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